D. Consent Agenda - All items listed on the consent agenda will be considered by the City Council and will be enacted on by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a Councilmember or a member of the public so requests.

[D. Consent Agenda - All items listed on the consent agenda will be considered by the City Council and will be enacted on by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a Councilmember or a member of the public so requests.]

THERE WERE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.

SO REQUEST ITEM ONE APPROVED THE JUNE 5TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES ITEM TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF SAXY, TEXAS, APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE SUBMITTAL OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO COLLIN COUNTY PARK AND OPEN SPACE PROJECT FUNDING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR THE DESIGN OF THE MAXWELL CREEK TRAIL CONNECTION WITHIN THE CITY OF SACHSE, WILEY AND MURPHY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

AND ITEM THREE AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH VERIZON WIRELESS FOR SPACE FOR AN ANTENNA AND EQUIPMENT LOCATED AT THE PUBLIC WORKS WATER TOWER AT 6004 20 SAXY ROAD.

WE DO HAVE A REQUEST FROM A RESIDENT TO REMOVE ITEM D ONE SO THAT WILL BE REMOVED.

ANY OTHER REQUESTS TO REMOVE ANYTHING OFF THE CONSENT? SEEING NONE. WE'LL TAKE A MOTION.

OH. MR. MILLSAP, I'D LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM THREE.

OKAY, WE'LL REMOVE IT.

WE GOT ONE AND THREE, SO THAT JUST LEAVES TWO.

IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.

MISS OURS AND MAKE.

HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE. ITEM D TWO IS PRESENTED BY MISS HOWARTH TO HAVE A SECOND MR. PRESTENBERG SECOND.

I HAVE A SECOND BY MR. PRESTENBERG ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM D2.

HEARING NONE. PLEASE CAST YOUR BALLOT.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM D2 IS APPROVED.

OKAY, BACK TO THE REMOVED ITEMS.

[1. Approve the June 5, 2023, regular meeting minutes.]

FIRST REMOVED ITEM. ITEM D1 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ITEM ONE TO APPROVE THE JUNE 5TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES HAD A REQUEST FROM MATTHEW HOBART TO REMOVE THIS ITEM.

MR. HOBART, COME ON DOWN.

MARTY HOBO 5511.

OAK RIDGE CIRCLE SAXY, TEXAS.

TOP OF THE HILL MEETING MINUTES.

THEY'RE GETTING WEAK AGAIN.

UM. BEEN ASKING SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, NOT BEEN GETTING ANY ANSWERS.

BECAUSE Y'ALL DON'T SAY ANYTHING IN YOUR MINUTES.

MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS TOLD ME TO GO TO THE VIDEO IF I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND I SAID THERE'S AN ERROR THERE AND HE PROMISED TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

AND MR. PRESTENBERG SAID, HEY, THERE'S TOTAL TRANSPARENCY HERE AND WE'LL GET HER DONE.

WELL, IT HASN'T HAPPENED.

AND IF MR. FRANKS BAIL ON MONDAY AND DO NOTHING ON TUESDAY.

I THINK THAT IN TEXAS IS WHAT WE CALL ALL HAT NO CATTLE BECAUSE THINGS JUST DON'T HAPPEN.

IT'S AN EASY THING TO DO.

AND IF YOU'RE JUST TURNING OFF THE SOUND TO THE VIDEO ON THE INTERNET, THAT'S NOT REALLY AN ANSWER.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL.

MR. PRESTENBERG.

WHEN THAT MEAN OLD MAYOR LOOKS AT YOU AND SAYS, BE QUIET AND SIT DOWN.

LET'S HAVE A LITTLE LOOK AT WEST POINT.

NO. THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.

I DIDN'T TELL YOU DID. NO, I DIDN'T.

DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

OKAY, CARRY ON. LET'S HAVE A LITTLE BIT AT WEST POINT.

MOXIE, HOW ABOUT A LITTLE GEORGE PATTON INSTEAD OF HORATIO GATES? JUST ASK HIM TO ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION AND MOVE ON WITH IT.

NO, YOU CAN'T CURSE.

SURE I CAN. THAT'S NOT CUSSING, MAYOR.

NO, YOU CAN SIT DOWN. YOU'RE INTERRUPTIONS ARE UNPROFESSIONAL.

AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. YOU CAN'T CURSE.

YOU CAN'T. I'M NOT CURSING.

YES, YOU ARE. YOU WANT ME TO CURSE? I CAN DROP A COUPLE AND THEN YOU'LL BE ESCORTED OUT.

AND THEN GO AHEAD WHEN I CURSE.

DAMN, IS NOT.

SO IF YOU WOULD LET ME SPEAK, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

YOU CAN SPEAK WHEN YOU SPEAK.

YOU DON'T LIE ABOUT. I'M DOING EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO DO, MAN.

OKAY, GO AHEAD. SO KEEP GOING.

SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT.

HOW DO YOU GET AN ANSWER OUT OF YOU ALL? BECAUSE. YOU DON'T EVER ANSWER A QUESTION.

I'M STILL LOOKING TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH.

INSURANCE MONEY WENT INTO THE SLUSH FUND.

I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE SLURPEE MACHINE.

WHERE IS IT? I SENT IN THREE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUESTS.

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AND UNTIL I SAID SOMETHING IN THIS MEETING LAST WEEK, THEY DIDN'T GET ANSWERED.

AND I GOT BUSY TODAY, SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS.

SO WHEN YOU ALL FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S THE VIDEO, WHETHER IT'S THE MEETING MINUTES, WHETHER IT'S WHICH SIDE OF YOUR MOUTH YOU'RE TALKING OUT OF, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

BECAUSE, MAYOR.

MUCH TO MY CHAGRIN.

MY DAUGHTER DIDN'T GO TO AUSTIN FOR COLLEGE.

SHE WENT TO ANOTHER COLLEGE WHERE THEY HAVE A SAYING THAT SAYS, I WILL NOT LIE, CHEAT OR STEAL OR TOLERATE THOSE WHO DO.

Y'ALL PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK FOR SOME ONLINE CLASSES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET A STRAIGHT STORY OUT OF Y'ALL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE]. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE'LL ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION OR MOTION.

MISS HOWARD. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM D ONE AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A MOTION BY MISS HOWARD TO APPROVE ITEM D ONE AS PRESENTED MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.

SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.

AND LET ME PUT YOU BACK ON HERE.

OH, YOU'RE ON. GO AHEAD.

THE MEETING MINUTES ARE NOT WRONG.

THE VIDEO.

THE PRESENTATION WAS NOT.

THEY SAID THE WRONG COMPANY NAME, BUT THAT WAS NOT PUT IN THE MINUTES.

SO THE MEETINGS ARE NOT THE MEETING MINUTES ARE NOT INACCURATE.

THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE] EXCUSE ME.

MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS. MS. BUHLER.

OH, NO. OKAY.

YEAH. MY ONLY COMMENT ABOUT THE MINUTES IS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THEM EVERY TIME.

I THINK THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE VOTE? OKAY. IF NOT, CAST YOUR BALLOT.

YOU KNOW. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

OKAY. THAT ITEM REMOVED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ITEM D THREE.

[3. Authorize the City Manager to execute a lease agreement with Verizon Wireless for space for an antenna and equipment located at the Public Works Water Tower at 6420 Sachse Road.]

AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH VERIZON WIRELESS FOR SPACE FOR AN ANTENNA AND EQUIPMENT LOCATED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS WATER TOWER AT 6426 CEDAR ROAD.

MISS ROSE, WOULD YOU LIKE.

I'M SORRY, MISS NASH, OR YOU HAD YOUR MIC ON, MAYOR.

I WAS JUST GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MISS ROSE TO GO THROUGH ANY FURTHER DETAILS ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL HAS.

THANK YOU, MISS NASH. MISS ROSE.

HOW ARE YOU? I'M DOING WELL.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT THINK MR. MILLSAP WAS THE ONE THAT PULLED US.

SO LET ME TURN YOU ON, MR. MILLSAP.

THERE YOU GO. LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION WE WERE GIVING, IT LOOKS LIKE.

AS YOUR CONTRACT IS.

WE HAVE A CURRENT CONTRACT WITH THEM.

YES, SIR. THEY'RE NOW, I'M ASSUMING, USING THE CELL TOWER.

YES, SIR. THIS IS OUT AT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.

BUT THIS IS A NODE ON OUR ELEVATED TANK OUT AT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING THE WATER TOWER.

NOW, ALSO, I CAN'T REALLY THINK WE'RE IT'S IN GOOD USE OF CITY'S RESIDENTS FINANCIAL.

BENEFIT TO CUT THE CONTRACT FOR 50 YEARS.

WE'RE GOING FROM A 15% ESCALATOR OVER FIVE YEARS TO A 13% ESCALATOR, AND IT AUTOMATICALLY ALREADY HAS THREE RENEWALS AUTOMATIC AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING FROM WHAT WE NOW HAVE A CURRENT 15% RENEWAL INCREASE OVER FIVE YEARS TO A 13% RENEWAL OVER FIVE YEARS FOR TEN RENEWAL PERIODS AT FIVE YEARS EACH.

THAT'S 50 YEARS WE'RE CUTTING AND WE'RE SO WE'RE MAKING A CONTRACT NOW AT A FIXED PRICE.

BASED ON.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING THAT FOR A 50 YEAR CONTRACT AND NOT WITH NO ESCALATORS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE COST OF LIVING GOES UP, CPI GOES UP.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD BUSINESS.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT KIND OF A CONTRACT CUT.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THIS IS RENT THAT VERIZON DOES PAY TO THE CITY FOR THE USE OF OUR ELEVATED TANK.

SO IT'S INCOME THAT THEY DO PROVIDE TO THE CITY.

THEY HAVE BUILT IN YES, THEY HAVE EXTENDED THE TERMS AS PART OF THEIR REQUEST, BUT THEY'VE BUILT IN A RENT ESCALATOR.

THAT ESCALATION OF 13% PER FIVE YEAR RENEWAL.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A 15% ESCALATION FACTOR.

VERIZON APPROACHED THE CITY AND EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT STRUCTURE AND SOME ISSUES THAT THEY'RE FACING AND BASICALLY ASKED IF THE CITY WOULD BE WILLING TO BE A GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER AND MAYBE ENACT SOME MORE FAVORABLE TERMS FOR THEM.

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AFTER SOME NEGOTIATION, WE DID NOT TAKE THE FIRST ROUND OF REQUESTS THAT THEY SUBMITTED, BUT AFTER SOME NEGOTIATION, WE CAME UP WITH THESE TERMS. SO THERE IS A RENT ESCALATION.

AND I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS INCOME PAID TO THE CITY FOR USE OF OUR TANK.

YEAH. MISS NASH. LAUREN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE, THE VERIZON REQUEST FOR LEASE MODIFICATIONS? YES. I THINK THIS SLIDE IS REALLY WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT RELATIVE TO WHILE COUNCILMAN MILLSAP IS CORRECT.

WE ARE CHANGING OUR TERMS TO BE A LITTLE LESS FAVORABLE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS ANYBODY WHO IS A VERIZON CUSTOMER WITHIN SACHSE KNOWS THAT YOUR SERVICE IS NOT VERY GOOD.

I HAD TO CHANGE MY CITY CELL PHONE FROM VERIZON TO AT&T BECAUSE IT WAS DROPPING CALLS.

OUR CITY CELL PHONES ARE ON VERIZON.

AND IT'S A PROBLEM FOR US.

THIS THE KEY THING FOR THIS CONTRACT THAT'S SO IMPORTANT IS THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE SOME ENHANCEMENTS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR BETTER CELL SERVICE FOR CUSTOMERS AND SACHSE, BECAUSE OFTEN TIMES OUR RESIDENTS DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO TO CALL AND TALK TO OR COMPLAIN TO ABOUT FRUSTRATIONS LIKE THINGS LIKE CELL SERVICE AND OTHER THINGS. AND WE GET COMPLAINTS A LOT ABOUT THIS.

AND TO US, THIS IS REALLY A HUGE ENHANCEMENT FOR OUR RESIDENTS WHO HAVE THAT SERVICE TO BE ABLE TO GET GOOD CELL SERVICE.

AND IT'S JUST AGAIN, THEY'RE UPDATING ALL THEIR NETWORK, THEIR OVERALL NETWORK, WHICH REALLY IS A LONG TERM VALUE TO US IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THIS IS A CHANGE IN REVENUE, BUT I CAN'T LET IT BE UNSAID THAT THIS IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT.

THIS WILL BE A BIGGER IMPROVEMENT TO SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS.

MR. PRESTENBERG.

YES. WHAT ELSE GOES ON TOP OF THE WATER TOWER? I'D HAVE TO. OTHER THAN A LIGHTNING ROD? NO, IT'S KIND OF FACETIOUS.

NOTHING. SURE. WHAT ELSE GETS PUT AROUND THE WATER TOWER? NOTHING. SO THIS IS FREE REVENUE COMING IN TO THE CITY AND WE SHOULD MEAN WHAT WE GET.

I MEAN, IT'S A VERIZON OR AT&T OR WHOEVER ELSE THE BIG BUSINESS IS.

THEY THEY SWING A BIG HAMMER AND THEY CAN GO TO OTHER WATER TOWERS THAT ARE JUST A LITTLE ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS OR WHATEVER.

YEAH, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A TRIANGULATION WITH THE SIGNAL TOWERS AND I'VE SEEN THIS DONE BEFORE AND I THINK THE MONEY WE'RE GETTING IS VERY GRACIOUS. AND SO WE CAN DO A LOT OF GOOD USE FOR THAT.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT CELL TOWERS THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

AND ONE THING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS CONTINUITY OF SERVICE AND LENGTH OF STABILITY, OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR NODES ON A TOWER.

SO THAT PROVIDES LONG TERM ASSURANCES TO OUR RESIDENTS AND OF COURSE, COVERAGE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUMP TOWERS.

WE WOULD PREFER THAT THEY STAY HERE.

SO WE HAVE THAT SERVICE ISSUE RECOVERED FOR SACHSE RESIDENTS.

I LIKE THE RENT ESCALATION BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE A LOT OF TIMES FORGET TO PUT IN CONTRACTS AND PRICES INCREASE.

HOWEVER, INTEREST RATES DROP.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A BOON TO US OR A BENEFIT TO US CERTAINLY.

AND I WANT TO REITERATE, THEY CAME TO US WITH AN INITIAL TERMS THAT WERE NOT FAVORABLE TO THE CITY, AND WE NEGOTIATED THOSE TO WHAT YOU SEE HERE TONIGHT.

SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A FAIR EXCHANGE FOR BEING A GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER.

THANK YOU. MR. BUHLER. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY.

SO THIS CHANGE, YES, IT IS A SMALLER PERCENTAGE AND WE'LL BE GETTING A LITTLE BIT LESS.

BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING REVENUE THROUGH 2039, WE'LL HAVE REVENUE THROUGH 2063.

WE'RE CHANGING TECHNOLOGY.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO CHANGE HOW THEY DO SERVICE.

AND I LIKE TO BRING IN THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR MANY MORE YEARS TO COME TO OUR RESIDENTS.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND BY EXTENDING OUT TO 2063, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY GENERATE OVER $1 MILLION IN REVENUE TO THE CITY.

THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU'RE WELCOME. MR. LINDSEY, I DON'T IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM D THREE AS PRESENTED.

MOTION BY MR. LINDSEY TO APPROVE ITEM D THREE AS PRESENTED TO HAVE A SECOND BY MISS HOWARD.

AND YOU CAN ALWAYS DISCUSS AFTERWARDS.

SO THERE YOU GO. WITH THAT IN MIND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? YES. RIGHT.

AND I WILL SAY, TOO, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, I THINK ESPECIALLY I THINK MR. PRESTENBERG SAID IT BEST IS THAT THIS IS A GOOD REVENUE SOURCE FOR US AND IT'S A WIN WIN BECAUSE WE DO GET THE REVENUE AND WE DO GET IMPROVED CELL SERVICE FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE VERIZON. SO THERE YOU GO.

ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, SEEING NO OTHER REQUESTS TO SPEAK, LET'S CAST THEIR BALLOTS.

NO.

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MOTION CARRIES WITH MR. MILLSAP VOTING NO. OKAY.

MOVING ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. AND BEFORE WE DO THAT, I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.

I WANT TO WELCOME COURTNEY MORRIS, OUR ATTORNEY AT LAW THAT'S JOINING US TODAY.

I HEAR SHE'S MUCH NICER THAN JOE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS TRUE OR NOT.

I GUESS WE'LL FIND OUT. WELCOME, COURTNEY.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. AND I DO WANT TO WELCOME MISS BUHLER BACK.

SHE WAS NOT WITH US LAST TIME AND SHE WAS JUST OUT ON A NICE VACATION.

WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. AND WE MISSED YOU AND WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE BACK.

SO, ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM E ONE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SACHSE CITY, TEXAS, AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING

[1. Conduct a public hearing to consider an ordinance of the City of Sachse, Texas, amending the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance and Map of the City of Sachse, as heretofore amended, by granting a special use permit to allow for the location of a gas station on land zoned Turnpike Mixed Use, on +/- 1.573 acres, generally located at the northeast corner of President George Bush Turnpike and Merritt Road, City of Sachse, Dallas County, Texas, more particularly described in Exhibit "A" and shown in Exhibit "B" providing a repealing clause; providing a severability clause; providing a savings clause; providing a penalty of fine not to exceed the sum of Two Thousand Dollars ($2,000) for each offense; and providing for an effective date.]

ORDINANCE AND MAP OF THE CITY OF 60 AS HERETOFORE AMENDED BY GRANTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE LOCATION OF A GAS STATION ON LAND ZONED TURNPIKE.

MIXED USE ON PLUS OR -1.573 ACRES, GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PRESIDENT GEORGE DAVIS TURNPIKE AND MERIT ROAD, CITY OF SACHSE, DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS.

MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A AND SHOWN IN EXHIBIT B PROVIDED A REPEALING CLAUSE PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE, PROVIDING A PENALTY, NOT PENALTY, OF A FINE, NOT TO EXCEED THE SUM OF $2,000 FOR EACH OFFENSE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

AND WE WILL NOT BLAME THIS ON COURTNEY.

WE WILL BLAME THAT ON JOE FOR WRITING THAT LONG, DRAWN OUT CAPTION WITH THAT MISS NASH.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO MATT ROBINSON TO GIVE YOU ALL A PRESENTATION AND A SUMMARY OF THE VOTE FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

HELLO, MR. ROBINSON.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A GAS STATION USE GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE AND EAST OF MERRITT ROAD.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND ITS APPROXIMATELY 1.573 ACRES IN SIZE AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED PG TURNPIKE MIXED USE [INAUDIBLE] ARE GENERALLY FOR USES THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE MAY ALLOW, BUT USES THAT ARE SCREENED AND SPECIALLY APPROVED FOR SITUATION OF SUITABILITY SUITABILITY.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THE SCP IS TO ALLOW THE CITY TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PROPOSAL.

WITHIN THE PCPT.

TURNPIKE MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT AND GAS STATION USES ARE DO REQUIRE AN SCP.

YOU CAN SEE THE GENERAL LOCATION HERE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH HIGHWAY AND MERRITT ROAD.

BEFORE YOU IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.

A FEW THINGS TO NOTE ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN IS THIS GAS STATION USE INCLUDES A CONVENIENCE STORE SLASH MARKET WITH A DRIVE THRU USE.

IN ADDITION, THERE WILL BE STREET TREES PLANTED ALONG MERRITT ROAD AND THERE IS MUTUAL ACCESS BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE REMAINING COMMERCIAL SITES OF THE AREA DEVELOPMENT.

HERE'S A CONCEPTUAL BUILDING ELEVATION.

AND THEN THIS IS KIND OF AN OVERALL LAYOUT FOR THE ARIA DEVELOPMENT ITSELF WITH THE GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

AND THEN AT THE MAY 22ND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THE COMMISSION VOTED SIX ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SCP REQUEST.

AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL.

AND MR. ROBINSON, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I GUESS WE HAD ONE MEMBER ABSENT THAT MEETING.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. ROBINSON, BEFORE WE IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SPEAK, IS THERE ANYTHING, ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS ON MR. ROBINSON? OKAY.

HEARING NONE. THANK YOU, MR. ROBINSON.

IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THE APPLICANT CAN DO SO AT THIS TIME.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS CHARLES HODGES WITH HODGES ARCHITECTURE.

I REPRESENT THE HUFFINES COMMUNITY IN THIS CASE.

WE'RE THRILLED TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A PRETTY ARDUOUS PLANNING PROCESS ON THIS.

THIS PROJECT WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF.

I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO SATISFY ALL OF THE STAFF REQUIREMENTS.

THE ONLY REGRET I HAVE IS THAT WE CALL THIS A GAS STATION BECAUSE OUR MARKET IS SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT.

AND WE'VE BEEN IN IN THE THE BUSINESS SINCE 1987 WITH MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LOCATION MUCH LIKE THIS AT KIMBALL IN 114 AND SOUTHLAKE.

WE'RE PROUD TO BE CORPORATE CITIZENS OF SOUTHLAKE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BE CORPORATE CITIZENS HERE.

I HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION, BUT STAFF TOLD ME TO KEEP IT SHORT, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WE CAN CERTAINLY PULL THAT UP IF THERE ARE ANY.

WELL, YOU DON'T EVER WANT TO GO BACKWARDS, RIGHT?

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RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT. BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY. SEEING THEN I DO DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM FOR PUBLIC HEARING? YES, MA'AM. COME ON DOWN.

OH, YES, MA'AM.

AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

MY NAME IS NICOLE ALVAREZ.

I LIVE IN THE CITY OF SACHSE.

SO IF THIS IS CORRECT, THERE IS GOING TO BE A GAS STATION LESS THAN A MILE AWAY FROM ANOTHER GAS STATION.

I USED TO WORK OVER IN THE STATION AT SACHSE AND THERE IS A 7-ELEVEN RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.

BEFORE YOU GET ON TO GEORGE BUSH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXIT THAT IS, BUT THERE IS ONE RIGHT THERE AND I THINK THAT IS SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION TO MAYBE USE THE LAND FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.

SO YEAH, THAT'S IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS ALVAREZ.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? SEEING THAT I DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED.

QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL.

MS.. HOWARTH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT MERIT.

WE'RE EXPECTING THE REBUILD OF MERIT ROAD FOR MS..

ALVAREZ THAT WILL EXPAND THAT ROAD AND MAKE IT LARGER AND HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT HEADS NORTH FROM THAT EXIT.

AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY AN APPROPRIATE SPOT FOR A GAS STATION, EVEN IF THERE IS ONE DOWN ON MILES AND THERE IS KIND OF A DEARTH OF GAS STATIONS IN THAT AREA GENERALLY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I HEAR ABOUT ALL THE TIME.

ME TOO. THANK YOU, MS..

HOWARD. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, WE ENTERTAIN MOTIONS.

MS.. BUHLER. I SEE IN THE LAYOUT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TACO HEAVEN.

IS THAT A ESTABLISHED RESTAURANT? USE THAT YOU HAVE? I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT, IF WE COULD PUT THAT BACK UP.

YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE TACO HEAVEN, BUT THAT'S A GOOD NAME.

OKAY, SO THAT'S ILLUSTRATIVE.

SO THAT'S A PLACEHOLDER WE CURRENTLY THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT OUR OUR OUR ELEVATION IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN THAT, QUITE HONESTLY.

WERE YOU SUPPOSED TO? BRONCO CAZA, WHO HAS MULTIPLE SITES ALL OVER NORTH TEXAS, IS ONE OF OUR TENANTS AND THEY HAVE ACTUALLY STARTED DISCUSSIONS WITH US.

WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE TACO CASA.

WE WOULD BE BLESSED TO HAVE THEM AS A PARTNER.

THEY'RE WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

IT'S A FAMILY BUSINESS, TWO BROTHERS THAT ARE IN THEIR 80S AND THEY ARE STILL BACK IN THEIR COOKING.

SO WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP AND JUST SEE WHAT'S THERE.

OKAY? YEAH. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BRING THOSE PRETTY ONES, TOO, BY THE WAY.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BRING THOSE PRETTY.

MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS.

I WOULDN'T GO TOO FAR.

ON YOUR SITE LAYOUT.

THERE IS NOT AN ENTRANCE OR EXIT OFF OF 190, AND I KNOW THAT'S AN ACCESS ROAD.

THAT'S RIGHT. IS THAT WHY THAT'S AN ACCESS? I MEAN, THAT'S A RAMP.

YEAH. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD NOT YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT TO A RAMP.

I THINK THE EXITING TRAFFIC AND THE FREE RIGHT HAND LANE TRAFFIC, THAT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD IDEA, IN MY OPINION.

BUT WE'VE GOT TWO ENTRANCES OFF OF MERIT.

WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE PLACES TO GET IN AND OUT.

WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN.

I'M JUST IMAGINING THE.

POSSIBILITY OF A BACKUP, MAKING A U-TURN TO GET BACK ON THE 180.

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EXIT.

I THINK OUR FOLKS ARE GOING TO LEARN VERY QUICKLY THAT THEY WILL GO OUT OUR EXIT ONTO PLEASANT VALLEY, USE THE LIGHT TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN, AND THEN COME BACK IN A CONTROLLED FASHION. THEY WOULD NOT ATTEMPT A U-TURN IN THE MIDDLE.

THOSE ARE EXISTING CURB CUTS.

HAVE YOU SEEN PEOPLE DRIVE IN DALLAS? FOR MY WHOLE LIFE? YEAH, FOR MY WHOLE LIFE.

OKAY. I ASSUMED IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE RAMP, BUT I THINK I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER PLACES BEFORE.

BUT THAT IS, I MAY NOT HAVE.

YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO HAVE ONE ONTO A DIRECT RAMP IF IT HAD A FRONTAGE ROAD, OBVIOUSLY.

AND THAT MAY BE WHAT I'M THINKING OF.

SOME OF THOSE RAMPS ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD OR RIGHT NEXT TO THE INTERSECTION.

OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.

THANKS. WE'RE REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE ACCESS AND WE LIKE THE MASTER PLAN WITH OUR OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE A PART OF THIS CAMPUS.

SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HOW IT'S COMING TOGETHER.

MR. ROBINSON WAS BASED ON MAYOR PRO TEM FRANK'S QUESTION.

I'M MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT TEXDOT OR NTA WOULD NOT EVEN ALLOW.

OH, NO, THEY WOULDN'T.

JUST FOR THE RECORD. I'M SORRY.

NO, THAT'S OKAY.

MR. LINDSEY YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY ON THAT OFF RAMP, IT'S HARD ENOUGH GETTING PEOPLE TO STOP AT THE RED LIGHT.

DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY EXTRA TRAFFIC PULLING OUT THERE, SO I'M GLAD IT CAN'T BE DONE.

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AS FAR AS BEST USE FOR THE LAND, THE SUP IS FOR THE GAS PUMPS, BUT IT'S REALLY INCIDENTAL TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON.

I DO GET TO SEE THE THE WHOLE PRESENTATION, SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE WHOLE COMPLEX COMING VERSUS A LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ANOTHER MAJOR GAS STATION THAT HAS 20 DIFFERENT PUMPS. THE PUMPS ARE PRETTY LIMITED HERE AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING MORE VALUE WITH WHAT'S COMING IN THE RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS IN THE FUTURE.

AND THE GAS PUMPS ARE JUST A SMALL, ITTY BITTY PART OF IT.

SO I APPRECIATE THE CONCEPT AND BRINGING THIS TO SACHSE.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION, MOTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.

MR. LINDSEY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

AND MOST OF MY MR. LINDSEY TO PROVE ITEM ONE AS PRESENTED.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? MISS HOWARD.

I HAVE A SECOND BY MISS HOWARD.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CAST YOUR BALLOT.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM A1 IS APPROVED.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM E2 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AND ACT ON A REQUEST FOR A SIGNED VARIANCE FOR A MURAL GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF STATE HIGHWAY 78 AND

[2. Conduct a public hearing to consider and act on a request for a sign variance for a mural, generally located west of State Highway 78 and north of Third Street, within Sachse city limits.]

NORTH OF THIRD STREET WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

AND MISS NASH MAYOR COUNCIL MATT IS JUST SETTING UP HIS NEXT PRESENTATION FOR THE SIGN VARIANCE DISCUSSION AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND THIS IS AN ITEM THOUGH UNLIKE THE LAST ONE THAT WENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THIS ONE DOES NOT.

THE SIGN VARIANCE IS DIFFERENT.

IT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL PER OUR ORDINANCE.

AND SO YOU ALL HAVE THE FIRST AND FINAL SAY ON THIS TOPIC.

AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

IT'S THE MATT SHOW TONIGHT, HUH? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'LL TRY TO LIVE UP TO PASTOR BOWMAN'S PEP SPEAK.

BE CAREFUL SETTING THAT BAR.

AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ACT ON A REQUEST FOR A SIGN VARIANCE FOR A MURAL GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF STATE HIGHWAY 78 AND NORTH OF THIRD STREET ON THE CHASE OAKS CAMPUS.

THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 2.7 ACRES, AND THIS IS LOCATED IN THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT DOWNTOWN NORTH.

AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS IN ARTICLE 310 OF THE SACHSE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

SIGNS. SIGNS DOES NOT ALLOW FOR MURALS, SO ANY MURAL REQUESTS WITHIN THE CITY HAS TO GO FOR THE COUNCIL FOR A VARIANCE REQUEST. IF YOU GUYS SO DEEM IT WORTHY OF BEING APPROVED.

ABOVE IS THE AERIAL MAP.

SO THE LOCATION OF THE MURAL WILL BE ON THE NORTH EAST SECTION OF THE BUILDING CLOSEST TO HIGHWAY 78.

SPECIFICALLY ON THIS WALL.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT WALL FROM HIGHWAY 78 RIGHT HERE.

AND THEN AS PROPOSED, THIS IS THE MURAL THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO TO PUT ON THAT WALL.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 45FT IN HEIGHT AT ITS PEAK AND 100FT WIDE.

SPECIFICALLY, COUNCIL CONSIDERATIONS TONIGHT ARE TO ALLOW A MURAL ONE AND THEN APPROXIMATELY 100FT WIDE BY 45FT TALL AND LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST FACADE OF CHASE OAKS CHURCH.

ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND AS IT RELATES TO SIGNS IS THE COUNCIL CANNOT REGULATE THE CONTENT OF THE SIGN ITSELF, BUT THEY CAN REGULATE THE NUMBER, SIZE, LOCATION AND TYPE OF SIGN.

SO WITH THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AS WELL, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

MATT, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

YOU SAID WE CAN'T REGULATE THAT.

WHAT'S IN THE SIGN? BUT I'M ASSUMING BUT THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

CAN'T BE VULGAR.

IT CAN'T BE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE COULD SAY NO TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A FINE LINE THERE.

AS FAR AS VULGARITY.

YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH.

OKAY. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S PRETTY.

WE CAN'T DO MUCH OF ANYTHING.

IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY AS FAR AS DO YOU WANT THE MURAL OR NOT? GOTCHA. NOT WHAT'S IN IT? NOT HOW IT LOOKS. GOTCHA.

OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ROBINSON FROM COUNCIL? MR. PRESTENBERG.

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HEY, MATT. EASY NAME.

I LIKE THAT. HEY, SO WE'RE NOT IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS, BUT WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY SORT OF ORDINANCE.

WE'RE JUST APPROVING THIS ONE INSTANCE.

SO ANYTHING THAT MIGHT COME TWO YEARS, FOUR YEARS, SIX YEARS FROM NOW WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNCIL FROM A MURAL STANDPOINT.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO THIS IS FOR THE SINGULAR CASE.

HOWEVER, IF THE COUNCIL DESIRES TO SEE A DIFFERENT VISION FOR HOW MURALS ARE APPROVED IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF A SIGN CODE UPDATE. BUT THIS IS ONLY FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT.

OKAY, PERFECT. THANKS.

MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE.

DESIGN, COLORS, SIZE, ANY OF THAT.

WE'LL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS WE CAN'T DO THIS.

SO WHAT IF WE ALLOW THIS? HOW DO I JUSTIFY SAYING YES OR NO TO ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING ON THERE, EVEN IF IT'S THE SAME KIND OF CONTENT? WE HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH MURALS.

IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT.

MS. HOWARTH. I THINK I KIND OF ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER FRANKS HERE.

I LIKE THE MURAL AND I WANT TO DO IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO PUT AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT ALLOWS THEM WITH HOWEVER WE FLESH THAT OUT.

I DID SEE A PLANO MAGAZINE ARTICLE THIS I THINK THIS PAST WEEK, MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO, ABOUT CHASE OAKS.

PLANO CAMPUS HAS A MURAL AND I LOVE MURALS FOR THE IDEA OF PLACEMAKING.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS THAT WE END UP WITH STUFF WILLY NILLY EVERYWHERE.

BECAUSE, I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULD STILL VOTE IT DOWN, BUT THAT THERE SHOULD BE DO THIS IN A GUIDELINE THAT MAKES SENSE.

LIKE IN WITHIN OLD TOWN OR HOWEVER I'M ASSUMING PLANO HAS ORDINANCES FOR MURALS OR THEY WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS.

AND I KIND OF INTERESTED IN WHAT THEY WOULD DO.

I'D LIKE TO SET UP A FRAMEWORK NECESSARILY THAN JUST APPLYING A VARIANCE TO AN ORDINANCE.

MR. BUHLER. I LIKE THIS PROJECT A LOT.

THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT MURALS OUT THERE.

I THINK IT'S BECOMING VERY POPULAR.

IT'S WELCOMING. IT'S FOR PLACEMAKING.

IT'S KIND OF INTRODUCING A SENSE OF IDENTITY AND COMMUNITY.

AND THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS VERY INCLUSIVE.

THERE'S NOTHING I MEAN, IT'S JUST WELCOMING AND NICE.

I LIKE THE FACT THAT.

ADDITIONAL MURALS WILL COME TO US FOR APPROVAL.

I DON'T WANT TO JUST CHECK OFF A BOX SAYING, YES, YOU CAN PAINT ANY MURAL YOU WANT ON ANY SURFACE THAT YOU'D LIKE.

I LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A KIND OF A SAFEGUARD THAT WE CAN EVALUATE ONE ON ONE.

MR. LINDSEY YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I ECHO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANT WON'T SAY MIX UP MY OWN NAME THERE WITH IT.

I SHARE THOSE SAME THOUGHTS. EXACTLY.

MY INITIAL CONCERN WAS OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS. SO BUT SINCE WE'RE ABLE TO SELECTIVELY DO THIS, AND SINCE THE STATE GIVES A PROCESS FOR ASKING FOR VARIANCES, I BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE A STRONG ORDINANCE BUT STILL HAVE A PROCESS WHENEVER WE SEE ONE OFF FITS THAT, THAT IT'S SOMETHING SPECIAL OR UNIQUE THAT WE WANT TO DO.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THE STATE GIVES US THIS PROCESS.

SO I'M OKAY HAVING A VARIANCE WITH IT.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR MAYBE SOME OF THE YOUNGER OPINIONS ON THIS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL BE COMING UP. MR. MILLSAP, LET ME ASK A QUESTION, I GUESS, TO GET A CLARIFICATION.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THE ORDINANCE AND ALL THIS, BUT IN REALITY, WE'RE BEING ASKED FOR A VARIANCE.

WE'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING THE ORDINANCE OUR WAY.

THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS A ONE TIME, ONE SITUATION LOCATION ONLY FOR FOR THIS MURAL.

IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO ANOTHER MURAL, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE ALSO.

SO REALLY, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ORDINANCE AT ALL.

WE'RE JUST GIVING A ONE TIME PERMISSION TO PUT A MURAL ON THE END OF THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS PART OF THE OLD TOWN CONCEPT.

AND I GREW UP IN A TOWN THAT'S OLD, OLD BUILDINGS, AND THERE'S STILL SIGNS FROM THE 50S STILL ON THE WALLS.

AND IT'S NOT DETRACTING AT ALL.

AND IT'S PROBABLY, IF WE'RE WANTING TO CALL IT OLD TOWN, I START THINKING ABOUT MAYBE SOME THINGS THAT WENT INTO AN OLD TOWN, AND I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.

OKAY, MATT, WALK ME THROUGH A FEW THINGS HERE.

I DO CONCUR WITH MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS AND HOWARTH THAT MY CONCERN IS I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

MY CONCERN IS WE'VE HEARD A COUPLE DIFFERENT, I THINK, COMPETING THOUGHTS AND OUR ATTORNEY MAY WEIGH IN ON THIS AS WELL, IS THAT, ONE, WE ARE APPROVING THE VARIANCE TO AN ORDINANCE.

I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR.

WHAT'S NOT IS CLEAR TO ME, THOUGH, IS THAT DOES OUR ORDINANCE AND IT'S A QUESTION DOES OUR ORDINANCE NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, RELOOKED

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AT, MODIFIED, IMPROVED, IF YOU WILL? DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT? BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS WHILE THIS MURAL MAY OR MAY NOT BE OBJECTIONABLE TO MOST PEOPLE, CERTAINLY NOT TO MYSELF.

BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT WHILE THIS IS A ONE OFF AND THE NEXT TIME IT'LL BE A ONE OFF.

IS IT REALLY A ONE OFF? BECAUSE IF WE SAY YES TO THIS AND WE JUST SAY NO TO ANOTHER ONE AND LET'S JUST SAY IT'S SIMILAR, HECK, SAY IT'S ANOTHER CHURCH, BUT WE DON'T. WE JUST FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.

WHAT'S OUR LIABILITY THERE? AND THAT MAY BE MORE A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY, BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN.

AND IF THAT IS A CONCERN, WHAT CAN WE DO ORDINANCE WISE TO PROTECT US FROM THAT IN THE FUTURE? WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER THAT.

I CANNOT MAKE SURE I CAN OPERATE THIS.

SO AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT REGULATING THE CONTENT OF A SIGN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE LIABILITY CONCERNS.

YOUR. GRANTING OF A VARIANCE.

I'M SURE YOUR CODE, YOUR SIGN ORDINANCE HAS SOME PROVISIONS FOR VARIANCES AND I'M PULLING THOSE UP NOW SINCE I'M NOT.

I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

SO. BUT AS LONG AS YOU KEEP IT IN A VARIANT SITUATION, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EVERYONE THAT COMES. IF YOU WRITE IT INTO YOUR CODE, THEN YOU'RE REGULATING EVERYBODY THE SAME, BUT YOU DON'T.

HAVE THE CONTROL THAT YOU HAVE WHEN YOU REQUIRE IT TO BE DONE BY VARIANTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. SO LET ME PUT IT ANOTHER WAY.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT, WE CAN'T REGULATE THE CONTENT, WHICH MAKES TOTAL SENSE.

AND THIS IS A LAYMAN TALKING.

IN ESSENCE, THOUGH, IF WE DON'T GENERICALLY LIKE THE NEXT ONE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD SAY NO IF IT MET THE REQUIREMENTS, IF YOU WILL.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I MEAN, BECAUSE I'LL STOP THERE.

IS THAT A FAIR ASSUMPTION? THAT IS A FAIR ASSUMPTION.

OKAY. SO PART TWO OF THAT AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT MAYBE NECESSARILY BE ANSWERED TONIGHT IS JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT IS THAT I THINK MR. MILLSAP MAKES A GOOD POINT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S BEEN MADE BY SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS TONIGHT THAT, YEAH, WE'RE NOT CHANGING AN ORDINANCE.

WE'RE DOING A ONE OFF, IF YOU WILL.

BUT I DON'T I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A ONE OFF IN THE SENSE THAT, OKAY, IF, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS OR NOT, BUT IF THERE IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO MODIFY OUR ORDINANCE TO WHERE WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO SAY NO, NOT BASED ON JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE IT, THEN I WANT TO EXPLORE THAT.

HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN THE CASE BECAUSE I KNOW SIGNS HAVE PROTECTION FROM FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AS THEY SHOULD.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD IN THE SENSE THAT, HEY, YEAH, WE'RE NOT.

TAKING AWAY THE ABILITY TO SAY WE COULD SAY NO ALL WE WANT IN THE FUTURE, BUT CAN WE REALLY? THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I KNOW MORE OF A COMMENTARY, BUT.

OKAY. MR. MILLSAP. OH, SORRY.

HOLD ON. HOLD ON. THERE YOU GO.

TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, WHAT THE MAYOR JUST MENTIONED TO ME, A VARIANCE IS ABOUT THE SAME THING AS GRANTING AN SUP.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRADITIONALLY ALLOWED.

WE'RE GIVING PERMISSION FOR A SPECIAL USE.

WE'RE GIVING A VARIANCE FOR A SPECIAL OPPORTUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO THINK IN THOSE TERMS. VARIANCE IS SAYING WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THIS EXCEPTION AND AN SCP IS SAYING WE'RE ALLOWING THIS EXCEPTION AND WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT TO WORRY ABOUT SCP IS GOING TO ALLOW SOMEBODY ELSE TO DEMAND ONE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO BECAUSE IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.

AND I STILL THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING AND FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M MISSPEAK HERE.

THE VARIANCE WILL GO WITH THE LAND.

SO SHOULD THIS PROPERTY TURN OVER TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THEN THIS VARIANCE WOULD STILL CARRY ALONG WITH THAT NEW OWNER.

SO THEY COULD PAINT OVER IT AND DO ANOTHER MURAL.

IN THAT SENSE, YES.

NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.

YES. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH VARIANCES.

THEY GO WITH THE LAND AND THEY WILL STAY.

GOTCHA. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT, MR. LINDSEY. YEAH.

I WAS ALSO GOING TO MENTION SCP'S.

I'VE WITNESSED THIS COUNCIL OVER THE YEARS APPROVE SOME SCP'S AND DENY OTHERS FOR THE SAME TYPE OF REQUESTS.

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THERE WAS ONE JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE FOR A DRIVE THRU FOR A COFFEE SHOP THAT WAS DENIED.

MEANWHILE, THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING WHEN WAS APPROVED OFF OF 78.

SO WE HAVE THAT DISCRETION AND I THINK THAT WE USE, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OBJECTION, IT'S THE MAY COMES AROUND EVERY YEAR.

SO APRIL FRANKS WELL, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES TO ME.

AN SCP FOR A GAS STATION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE IN THE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL EVER NOT APPROVED AN SCP FOR A GAS STATION.

I DON'T REMEMBER.

I'M NOT SAYING IT HASN'T HAPPENED. THE.

VARIANTS FOR THIS, AND I WASN'T GOING TO BRING THIS UP, BUT I THINK IT'S TIME I DO.

WE HAD A ISSUE WITH A BILLBOARD IN IN SACHSE AND THEY DID NOT GET PERMISSION.

THEY JUST PAINTED IT.

AND WE HAD TO BASICALLY TELL THEM THEY HAD TO PAINT OVER IT OR REMOVE IT.

AND IT WASN'T THE CONTENT, ALTHOUGH I PERSONALLY DIDN'T LIKE THE CONTENT, IT WASN'T THE CONTENT, IT WAS AGAINST THE ORDINANCE.

SO AGAIN, I'LL SAY MY ISSUE IS GOING TO BE WHENEVER NEXT SAID BUSINESS COMES TO ME AND SAYS, HEY, WE WANT TO PAINT A MURAL TO WHETHER I LIKE THEIR CONTENT OR NOT, I'M GOING TO BE LIKE, IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR ME TO JUSTIFY THAT.

MAYBE YOU ALL CAN, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS MUCH.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WELL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.

COME DOWN. COME ON DOWN.

AND FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

WELL, I'M GLAD YOU GUYS GOT ALL THAT IMPORTANT TALK OUT OF THE WAY AND INVITED ME UP.

SO MY NAME IS TODD BAUMAN.

I AM A SACHSE RESIDENT.

IT'LL BE 20 YEARS THIS OCTOBER, THE BRIDGE OF LIVING IN BOTH THE DALLAS COUNTY SIDE AND THE COLLIN COUNTY SIDE OF SACHSE, THE PASTOR AT CHASE OAKS CHURCH, WOODBRIDGE, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BIG TIME MAVS FAN AND A CURRENT AGGIE DAD, HOW DO I ADVANCE THIS OVER THIS SPACEBAR? YEP. THERE WE GO. COOL.

SO I'LL DIVE INTO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE'RE TRYING TO GIFT THE CITY SOME PUBLIC ART AND THINK ABOUT WHAT PUBLIC ART DOES IS IT BUILDS IDENTITY IN A COMMUNITY, CREATES A SENSE OF PRIDE, BRINGS UNITY AND CONNECTION TO A COMMUNITY. THE IDEA BEHIND THIS ART AND YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN IT A LITTLE BIT, SO THE BIG REVEAL IS GONE.

BUT THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS HONORING THE PAST WHILE JUMPING INTO A BRIGHT FUTURE.

THERE YOU ARE. YOU SEE IT? THIS IS THE SPACE WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.

GOT THIS SECTION IN THE AREA THERE IN OLD TOWN DISTRICT.

A BIG PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS BE A BLESSING IN THE COMMUNITY AND UPLIFT WHATEVER AREA THAT WE ARE A PART OF.

AS YOU SEE, THERE'S SOME ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT ON THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THIS SIDE OVER HERE AND DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT HERE IN SACHSE.

THIS IS A QUICK MURAL I WANT TO SHOW OF A DREAM PHASE THAT MAY HAPPEN AT SOME POINT AS WE LOOK TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN AND MAKE THAT AREA MORE BEAUTIFUL.

THIS IS, I BELIEVE, MRS HOWARTH.

YOU MENTIONED THIS ON PLANO THERE.

THIS IS A PHOTO OF OUR ARTS AND CULTURE ENGAGEMENT.

PASTOR GREG HOLMES, GREAT GUY.

HE'S HANGING OUT OVER THERE WITH THE MAYOR OF PLANO.

THEY LOVE THE MURAL THAT WAS DONE OVER THERE.

IT'S BROUGHT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PRIDE AND POPULARITY TO THAT SIDE OF TOWN OVER THERE.

A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT THE ARTIST JUST REAL QUICK TO SHARE.

THESE ARE BIG TIME LEGITIMATE ARTISTS, NATIONALLY KNOWN, AND WE'VE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH THEM ON ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.

THEY WORK ON THEM TOGETHER.

I'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF JUST QUICK IDEAS OF WHAT THEIR WORK CAN LOOK LIKE AND AGAIN, WHAT PUBLIC ART CAN DO WHEN IT COMES TO BRINGING A COMMUNITY TOGETHER, HELPING A COMMUNITY BUILD A SENSE OF PRIDE AND ENGAGEMENT.

I LOOK AT EACH ONE OF Y'ALL'S NAMES ON THE CITY COUNCIL HERE AND I SEE THE TRAIN RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

AND I THINK ABOUT SACHSE, SACHSE'S PRIDE, SEXY SENSE OF IDENTITY.

I THINK ABOUT THAT SPACE IN OLD TOWN DISTRICT.

I THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT THE CABOOSE RIGHT THERE ON 78 AND THIS RIGHT IN SIGHTLINES BEYOND THAT.

AND I THINK IT'LL BE A BEAUTIFUL PIECE FOR OUR CITY.

SO I HOPE YOU WILL ALLOW US TO GIFT THIS TO THE CITY.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

AND MAYOR BICKERSTAFF, YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF WHATEVER IT IS I'M SUPPOSED TO DO NEXT, I SUPPOSE.

WELL, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE.

OH, THE HOT SEAT STUFF.

NO, MATT, COME UP AND DO THAT.

I'LL DO MY BEST. I'LL DO MY BEST.

WELL, LET'S SEE IF THERE ARE ANY.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? WELL, YOU'RE OFF THE HOT SEAT RIGHT NOW, SO WE MAY COME BACK TO YOU, THOUGH.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY.

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SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. I DO DECLARE IT A PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.

I DO HAVE A REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

JACKIE EICHELBERGER.

YOU SAY YOU MAY HAVE TO.

YES. HELLO, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I DO HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING UP.

I'VE JUST LEARNED TONIGHT THAT YOU CAN MAKE A VARIANCE.

AND IT WON'T SET A PRECEDENT.

BUT YOU WILL GET ANOTHER VARIANCE IN THE FUTURE, PERHAPS.

TO DECIDE WHETHER TO APPROVE OR NOT.

AND THAT IN ITSELF IS SORT OF A PRECEDENT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE OR APPROVE OR DENY ANY OF THEM.

BUT IT'S BASED ON WHAT YOU THINK OF IT.

MAYBE THE APPLICANT, MAYBE THE WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

MAYBE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T EVIDENTLY HAVE A SAY IN THAT WHICH IS CONCERNING TO ME RIGHT THERE, ESPECIALLY ON THE 78 CORRIDOR, WHICH IS WHERE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF OUT-OF-TOWNERS COME THROUGH OUR CITY.

WHAT THEY SEE IS THE IMPRESSION THEY WILL GET, OF COURSE.

DO WE WANT IT TO BE A MURAL? YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS WE'VE PROPOSED A DOWNTOWN SECTION ON FIFTH STREET THAT WILL DEFINE OUR CITY.

WE ARE. THE 2017 COMP PLAN LAID IT OUT FOR US AND GOT US GOING ON IT.

AND WE. PLANNED OUT THE AREA, MAPPED IT OUT WHERE WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED, WHAT WOULD NOT.

PASSED ZONING AND HEAD CODES AND ORDINANCES.

SET UP AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL TO DEVELOP THE AREA.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, AFTER WE'VE GOT FIFTH STREET GOING, WE'VE GOT A PARKING LOT THAT'S GOING TO BE STARTED SOON.

IN THAT AREA.

WE HAVE A VARIANCE ALREADY.

IT'S JUST THAT.

LET ME SEE. I CHANGED MY THOUGHTS WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE PRECEDENT THING.

MARY MURALS.

EVEN THOUGH OTHER CITIES HAVE THEM, DOES THAT MEAN WE NEED TO DO IT TOO? THEY'RE TRENDY.

THEY ARE A FAD.

A LOT OF TOWNS ARE DOING THEM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO.

UNLESS YOU PARTICULARLY WANT IT AND THINK IT WILL BE AN ASSET TO SAKSI RATHER THAN DETRACT FROM OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE MORE TRADITIONAL IN APPEARANCE AND SORT OF ENHANCE OUR HISTORICAL PAST.

SO IT'S UP TO YOU ON THAT.

WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE MURALS ALL OVER THE PLACE OR WHICH IT WILL COME TO YOU FOR A VARIANCE, OF COURSE.

WHAT IS YOUR CRITERIA GOING TO BE FOR DENYING ONE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MS. EICHELBERGER. SO THE CARD TO HAVE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

COME ON DOWN, SIR.

MARTY HOBO 5511.

OAK RIDGE CIRCLE SAXY, TEXAS.

TOP OF THE HILL. I THINK IT'S COOL.

THEY MAY NOT BE A GOOD THING.

THE ONE QUESTION I KIND OF HAD AND I THINK YOU KIND OF ANSWERED IT, IS.

LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, THERE'S A LOT OF SHARP COLORS AND DETAILS, AND I WAS AFRAID THAT IT WAS A VINYL SIGN, BUT IT IS HAND-PAINTED BY ARTISTS, WHICH IS AWESOME.

BUT EVERYTHING LOOKED GREAT TODAY.

TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THESE BRIGHT REDS AND BLUES AND ORANGES ARE FADING.

WHAT'S YOUR KIND OF HOW LONG DO THESE THINGS LAST? DO YOU HAVE TO UPDATE IT AT SOME TIME? IS IT KIND OF IN YOUR PLAN TO PAINT IT OFF AND DO SOMETHING ELSE? BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THIS IS COOL.

IT REALLY IS. IT POPS IN THE AREA.

AND I WAS JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FOR THIS SIGN OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU LOOK AT CHANGING? THAT'S ALL. WE'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO ANSWER AFTER THE.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC?

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YES, SIR. BUT YOU'RE IN CASTLE CULLEN KING 7315 HIGH POINT.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US UP HERE TODAY.

A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WHEN TODD FIRST SHOWED ME THIS OF HAVING SOME EXPERIENCE ON THAT SIDE OF THE DICE, I LOOKED AT THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, I THINK, THAN TODD DID. I LOOKED AT IT AS, OKAY, WHAT DOES THE CITY GET OUT OF THIS? DOES THIS FIT THE LOCATION? DOES THIS FIT THE CITY? AS I WORK THROUGH THOSE THINGS, I MY CONCLUSION WAS, YES, I THINK THE CITY DOES GET SOMETHING OUT OF THIS.

I THINK THE CITY GETS, AS TODD MENTIONED, PUBLIC ART, BUT IT ALSO GETS SOMETHING ELSE.

IT GETS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.

THAT LAND NEXT TO THE CHASE OAKS BUILDING IS A MULTI PURPOSE.

AND I DON'T MEAN LIKE TENANTS AND RESIDENTIAL.

I MEAN A PIECE OF LAND THAT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

THAT MURAL WILL BE THE ATTRACTOR TO THAT AREA, THAT MURAL, AND I WISH IT WAS STILL UP THERE.

BUT THAT MURAL SHOWS NOT ONLY WHERE WE'VE BEEN, BUT WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

AND THOSE TO USE THAT ARE OVER.

ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ARE THE FUTURE OF WHERE SAXY IS GOING.

AND I THINK THAT MURAL DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF CALLING THAT OUT.

WELL, NOW, MY GOOD FRIEND BACK THERE, MS. EICHELBERGER DID MENTION WHAT'S GOING TO IN FACT, MR. FRANKS BROUGHT IT UP AS WELL, IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE VALIDITY TO SAY NO NEXT TIME? WELL, THE SAME VALIDITY AS MR. COUNCILMAN MILLSAP SAID THAT YOU WOULD USE IN SUP.

IS IT THE RIGHT THING FOR THAT LOCATION? IS IT THE RIGHT THING FOR SAXY? AND IF THIS LOCATION AND THIS MURAL IS THE RIGHT THING FOR SACHSE RIGHT NOW, THEN IT FITS THAT CRITERIA.

THE NEXT ONE THAT COMES BY, YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR JUDICIOUS ABILITY AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR SACHSE AND THE RIGHT THING FOR THAT LOCATION AT THAT TIME.

AND WITH THAT, I WOULD STRONGLY URGE YOU TO PLEASE APPROVE THIS MURAL THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. KING. YES, MA'AM.

YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

I'M VALERIE FENTRESS AND I LIVE IN SACHSE.

MY, I LOVE MURALS.

I'M AN ARTIST MYSELF.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THIS VARIANCE WOULD GO WITH THE PROPERTY AND WHETHER OR NOT CHASE OAKS WOULD BE IN THAT LOCATION LONG TERM.

I KNOW THEY'RE A SATELLITE CAMPUS TYPE OF CHURCH IN TEN YEARS OR 15 YEARS WHEN THEY POTENTIALLY MOVE TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION BECAUSE THEY'VE GROWN.

WHO WOULD BUY THE PROPERTY AND BE ABLE TO PAINT THAT MURAL STILL UNDER THAT VARIANCE BECAUSE IT WOULD STAY WITH THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN, IS WHAT'S THE LONG TERM GOAL OF CHASE OAKS AT THAT LOCATION? THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

UH, TODD, I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO ANSWER ANYTHING FROM WHAT COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE OR IT'S UP TO YOU? DO YOU THINK I SHOULD? I'M HAPPY TO.

THAT'S UP TO YOU. YEAH.

IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO REBUT ANYTHING.

YEAH. SO I'LL JUST MENTION THE LAST COMMENT ABOUT WHAT OUR PLANS ARE.

WE ARE A HERE FOR GOOD CHURCH.

YOU SEE THAT IN WHAT WE PUT ON OUR T SHIRTS AND KIND OF HOW WE TRY AND CARRY OURSELVES.

LIKE I SAID, I'M A 20 YEAR RESIDENT OF SAXONY.

I'M INVESTED IN THIS TOWN, INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE PLANNING ON BEING A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.

SO THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ON THE UPKEEP OF IT.

AND SO FOR THAT I'D LOVE TO BRING IN OUR PROJECT MANAGER.

THIS IS OUR ARTS AND CULTURE ENGAGEMENT.

YOU SAW HE'S FAMOUS.

YOU SAW HIS PICTURE WITH THE PLANO MAYOR UP THERE.

BUT I'M GOING TO LET GREG ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

AND AGAIN, NAME AND CITY OF GREG HOLMES, PASTOR OF ARTS AND CULTURAL ENGAGEMENT FOR CHASE OAKS.

AND I LIVE IN ALLEN, TEXAS.

SO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT LONGEVITY AND COLORS.

AND WE'RE AWARE THAT AND WE HAVE AN UPKEEP PLAN.

AND SO THIS WILL HAVE A UV COAT WHICH WILL HELP SLOW DOWN ANY OF THE FADING.

AS I TALKED TO OUR MURAL ARTISTS, SINCE THAT WALL IS FACING NORTH EAST AND NOT SOUTH PARTICULARLY OR SOUTHWEST, OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT THE COLORS WILL BE BRIGHT AND VIBRANT FOR TEN YEARS.

AT THE TEN YEAR MARK, WE'LL HAVE SOME DECISIONS THAT WE'LL NEED TO MAKE TO BRING THE ARTISTS BACK, TO TOUCH UP CERTAIN COLORS THAT HAVE FADED OR IF OR PAINT THE WALL WHITE AGAIN.

SO WE ARE NOT UNDER THE EXPECTATION THAT IT WILL BE JUST LIKE THIS WITHOUT UPKEEP FOREVER.

BUT WE DO KNOW AT THE TEN YEAR MARK WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON THAT.

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THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. RIGHT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

QUESTIONS. COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL.

MATT, I HAVE A COUPLE FOR YOU.

I NEED YOU TO HOLD MY HAND AGAIN.

OKAY. SO JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS.

AS YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION, THIS DOES GO WITH THE LAND.

SO I KNOW CHASE OAKS IS NOT PLANNING ON GOING ANYWHERE AND WE DON'T REALLY WANT THEM TO GO ANYWHERE.

BUT IT COULD.

BUT THE NEXT ENTITY THAT OWNS THE LAND COULD PAINT THEIR OWN MURAL WOULDN'T COME TO US, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND SAY YOU'D BE APPROVING THE MURAL WITH THIS SIZE AND IN THIS GENERAL LOCATION.

OKAY. SECONDLY, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK IT'S SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

BUT FOR THE RECORD, THE REASON WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS BECAUSE IN SACHSE.

NO ENTITY CAN DO A MURAL RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

THIRDLY. WE HAVE A NEW STARBUCKS IN TOWN AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A WALL FACING 78, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT.

SO, AGAIN, TECHNICALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR VARIANCE, BUT ASSUMING WE DON'T CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THEM BY RIGHT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND APPLY FOR THE SAME TYPE VARIANCE.

CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

AND I KNOW I DON'T LIKE TO DO THE WHAT IFS, BUT IF THEY SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE HISTORY OF STARBUCKS ON THE SIDE OF OUR BUILDING.

WELL. BUT CASTLE HAS THE ABILITY TO SAY NO.

TECHNICALLY IN MY WINE WORDS.

TECHNICALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT I LIKE THAT LIABILITY BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE THEN YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, I LIKE CHASE OAKS, BUT I DON'T LIKE STARBUCKS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A WINNING STRATEGY RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T ALLOW MURALS.

AND I THINK THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.

I LOVE WHAT CHASE OAKS WANTS TO DO.

I REALLY DO. AND I THINK THE MURAL IS REALLY COOL.

I DON'T LIKE I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I DON'T LIKE POTENTIAL FUTURE LIABILITY DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO SAY WE CAN SAY YES OR NO, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT EASY.

AND THEN FOR CLARIFICATION STANDPOINT, I KNOW THE COMPARISON BETWEEN SGP AND VARIANCE HAS BEEN THROWN AROUND.

TO ME, THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING.

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? I WOULD SAY THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.

SUPPOSE YOU CAN REZONE OR CHANGE AND THAT GOES AWAY.

THE VARIANCE WILL STAY WITH THE LAND.

OKAY, SO IT'S IN MY OPINION, THAT'S NOT A FAIR COMPARISON.

SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.

MISS HOWARD. WHILE I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE LISTENING, I PULLED UP A MURAL ORDINANCE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORING CITY THAT THEY JUST APPROVED IN 2022.

AND THERE'S A PROCESS FOR DOING A MURAL THEY'VE DESIGNATED FOR THE CITY OF MESQUITE.

THEY'VE DESIGNATED AN AREA WHERE MURALS ARE ALLOWED, WHICH IS THEIR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

THEIR SPECIFY THAT THEY HAVE TO BE NON COMMERCIAL.

THEY CAN'T HAVE A COMMERCIAL MESSAGE.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE A THEY DEFINE IT SOMEHOW AS A COMMUNITY MESSAGE KIND OF THING.

AND THERE'S A PROCESS OF HOW TO GET A PERMIT DO IT AND THAT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.

YOU HAVE TO PAINT IT APPROPRIATELY, KEEP IT IN GOOD CONDITION UNTIL YOU DECIDE TO PAINT IT OVER.

AND I WOULD I WANT THIS MURAL.

I WOULD PREFER TO DO IT UNDER.

A MURAL ORDINANCE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. MR. BUHLER. I'M REALLY GLAD MR. HOLBROOK BROUGHT UP MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS TOO.

IF YOU GO TO DIFFERENT DOWNTOWNS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY, PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS.

AND IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE IT'S BRINGING NEW LIFE AND VIBRANCY TO AN AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, HASN'T BEEN AS POPULAR.

AND IT'S JUST BUT IT'S ALSO CELEBRATING HISTORY AND ART.

I THINK THIS IS SUCH A GREAT PROJECT, AND I LIKE THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND APPROVE EACH AND EVERY ONE.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR FIFTH STREET, OLD TOWN.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT.

WE WANT VIBRANCY.

WE WANT TO BRING PEOPLE OUTSIDE TO SHARE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR IN OUR, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I JUST I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T APPROVE THIS.

AND A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS IS OUR CABOOSE, OUR CITY LOGO, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE, ALL OF OUR PICTURES HAVE A CITY, A CABOOSE THAT SAYS SHINE BRIGHT, THAT IS A MURAL AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

AND IT'S WHAT EVERYONE USES AS A PICTURE OF WHEN THEY WRITE ABOUT SACHSE OR THEY THINK ABOUT SACHSE.

IT'S THE TRAIN. IT'S ON OUR LOGO THAT IS A MURAL AND IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY MURAL.

IT BRINGS GOOD.

THANK YOU. MR. LINDSEY. YEAH, I JUST THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PLACE TO START TO TEST AND TO SEE.

AND CERTAINLY WE DO ALREADY HAVE A MURAL IS THE CABOOSE.

I'M GLAD THAT WAS POINTED OUT, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

I REALIZE IT GOES WITH THE LAND.

IT COULD BE FOREVER. BUT WE LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE, WE LOOK AT WHICH WAY IT FACES.

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I THINK THERE'S LIMITED USES OUT OF IT.

I THINK IF WE WERE TO PASS THIS TONIGHT, WE COME BACK A YEAR FROM NOW AND WE LOOK AT REVISING THE ORDINANCE IN THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY DISTRICT THAT OFFHAND THAT I THINK I WOULD WANT TO SEE THIS IN.

BUT PERHAPS WE EXPLORE FURTHER.

BUT IF COUNCIL HEARS, LET'S SAY, A YEAR OR SO AFTER THIS IS PUT UP AND WE DISCUSS WHETHER WE WANT TO EXTEND THIS OR NOT, AND THEN IF EVERYBODY VOTES NO, THAT WE'VE KIND OF SET A PRECEDENCE.

I THINK IF SOMEBODY COMES IN LATER AND SAYS, HEY, I WANT A MURAL, TOO.

WELL, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED ONE.

WE DISCUSSED CHANGING THE ORDINANCE.

NO, NO, THANK YOU.

I JUST I DON'T SEE US HAVING A PROBLEM OF VOTING THIS DOWN.

I'VE SEEN SO MANY THINGS VOTED DOWN IN THE PAST YEAR.

THIS IS JUST ITEMS ARE DISCRETIONARY.

AND I THINK AS LONG AS WE DON'T SAY SOMETHING STUPID, LIKE, I DON'T WANT THIS PARTICULAR RELIGION TO HAVE A MURAL, WE WILL NEVER BE IN TROUBLE.

SO FOR SOME REASON SOMEBODY OBJECTS TO A FUTURE MURAL.

YOU DON'T SAY WHY, YOU JUST I DON'T LIKE WHERE IT'S AT.

I MEAN, THAT'S IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

SO I JUST I DON'T SEE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR FUTURE LITIGATION UNLESS IF SOMEBODY DID NOT DO SOMETHING APPROPRIATELY IN THEIR REASONING.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? MR. PRESTENBERG? YES.

CAN WE GET TODD TO AGREE THAT HE WON'T GO ANYWHERE FOR 50 YEARS? 50 YEARS? 51.

OKAY, THAT WOULD BE NEGATIVE.

NO, I GET IT. THIS IS FROM OUR LAWYER.

CAN YOU PUT TIME LIMITS ON VARIANCES OR IS IT A WHAT YOU DO TO SEE VARIANCE IS LIKE SOPS ARE NOT IN THE CODE OR ARE NOT IN STATE LAW.

SO THINGS THAT ARE CREATED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHERE AN SUP REGULATES A USE THAT YOU ALLOW UNDER YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT ONLY IN SPECIAL SITUATIONS.

A VARIANCE IS MORE IT'S NOT ALLOWED, BUT WE THINK IT FOLLOWS THE SPIRIT AND THE PURPOSE OF THE GENERAL AREA.

SO. YOUR I WAS SKIMMING YOUR ORDINANCES AND IT YOUR ORDINANCES DON'T SAY THAT YOUR VARIANCES GO WITH THE LAND.

THEY ALSO DON'T SAY YOUR SUPS GO WITH THE LAND OR I COULDN'T FIND IT WHERE IT SAYS THAT.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CLARIFY FOR YOU JUST TO BE CERTAIN.

BUT ONE THING THAT THE MAYOR DID BRING UP WAS ABOUT OBSCENE SIGNS.

AND THOSE ARE PROHIBITED IN YOUR SIGN CODE.

SO YOU COULD NOT GRANT A VARIANCE FOR AN OBSCENE SIGN BECAUSE THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED, JUST FYI. BUT FOR THE ORIGINAL QUESTION THOUGH, WE DON'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT OR WE COULD PUT OR WE CAN'T PUT OR.

WELL, YOUR.

THE STATE STATUTE DOESN'T ADDRESS REALLY WHAT A VARIANCE IS.

THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT A VARIANCE IS AND IT RUNS WITH THE LAND IN SKIMMING YOUR ORDINANCE.

I DIDN'T FIND THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN ANSWER ON THAT ABOUT WHETHER IT RUNS WITH THE LAND OR NOT, BECAUSE I'M JUST NOT SURE I'M NOT SEEING IT IN YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.

AND JUST OTHER STATEMENTS, THOUGH.

I MEAN, THIS. SO TODD ASKED YOU A QUESTION.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU HAVE HERE, IS THAT ARE WE LOCKED IN TO THAT OR IS THAT LIKE COULD TWEAK HERE OR THERE OR.

YEAH, WE'RE LOCKED INTO THAT.

AS FAR AS OUR END GOES.

NOW, A DIFFERENT SQUARE MIGHT END UP A DIFFERENT COLOR OR WHATEVER.

BUT THE DESIGN IS THAT'S WHAT WE'VE WORKED ON WITH THOSE ARTISTS.

IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THIS PICTURE AND ASK 1000 PEOPLE WHO DESIGN THIS, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD SAY THE CITY OF SACHSE, RIGHT. TO ME, THAT TELLS ME THAT IT'S NOT PROMOTING A BODY OF RELIGION OR WHATEVER.

IT'S PROMOTING THE CITY.

AND THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, RIGHT? MY ONLY CONCERN IS MAINTENANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, MR. HOBOKEN SAID. AND THEN.

FUTURE IDEAS.

AS YOU HAD SAID EARLIER, IN TEN YEARS, 20 YEARS, HOW WOULD THIS BE REFRESHED? IS IT JUST BRIGHTENING THE PINK OR ORANGE OR YELLOW COLORS TO MAKE THEM LOOK VIBRANT AGAIN? OR IS IT A YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'VE GONE FROM LAND BASED TRAINS TO AIR BASE TRAINS AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? A SPEED TRAIN IS NOW GOING TO BE ON THERE, RIGHT?

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THAT'D BE MY ONLY CONCERN.

BUT I THINK THIS IS FANTASTIC.

YOU KNOW, AS SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID, THIS BRI BRINGS LIFE AND VIBRANCY TO AN AREA THAT.

YOU COULD JUST DRIVE BY A THOUSAND TIMES AND NOT LOOK AT IT, RIGHT? NOT THAT WE WANT OUR DRIVERS FOCUSING AWAY FROM THE ROAD, BUT IT IS NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT POPS OVER THERE.

THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE ON THE DRAWING IS ON THE WATER TOWER.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A DOLPHIN OR A SHARK OR SOMETHING.

SO JUST.

ANYWAY, IF WE HAD A WE'LL MAKE SURE THERE'S NO SHARKS OR DOLPHINS ON THE WATER TOWER.

WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE SHARK.

SOUNDS COOL, BUT WE CANNOT REGULATE CONTENT.

WHAT'S THAT? WE CAN'T REGULATE. WE'RE NOT REGULATING.

I'M JUST ASKING WHAT THAT IS.

GIVING FEEDBACK. THAT'S FINE.

ANYWAY, BUT THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL.

ALL RIGHT. AWESOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS I CAN BE HELPFUL WITH? JUST HANG ON. YOU MAY HAVE SOME MORE.

OKAY. HANG TIGHT. ALL RIGHT, MATT, IF YOU CAN COME BACK UP.

SORRY, MISS BUHLER. OKAY, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WE'VE HEARD YOU CAN TIE IT TO THE LAND.

YOU CAN'T. YOU SAY WE CAN.

IS THERE A SPECIFIC PART OF THE CODE THAT SAYS THAT? SO IN THE CODE ITSELF, NO.

TYPICALLY, VARIANCES HAVE FOLLOWED AND GONE WITH THE LAND.

NOW, THIS IS NOT COMING FORWARD BEFORE A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

THAT MAY BE WHERE THE DIFFERENCE LIES WITHIN THIS SPECIFIC VARIANCE.

BUT TYPICALLY VARIANCES GO WITH THE LAND.

THEY DO NOT GO AWAY.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU THERE, ESPECIALLY IN BOTH CASES.

THAT'S DEFINITELY FOR SURE. OKAY.

JUST I KNOW WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE A CONCRETE ANSWER, BUT JUST KIND OF WANT TO GET A LITTLE BIT CLARIFICATION FROM YOU ON THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS BUHLER.

THIS IS SUCH A MINOR THING, BUT I LOVE SEEING IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE LIKE A BACKDROP FOR YOUR COMMUNITY EVENTS.

I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS SO GREAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT IN SACHSE.

WE'RE ABOUT COMMUNITY EVENTS.

WE'RE ABOUT RED, WHITE AND BLUE BLAST.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE WANT TO GATHER AS A COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE OFFERING THIS TO OUR CITY, NOT TO PROMOTE THEIR CHURCH, BUT TO PROMOTE OUR CITY.

AND I JUST THINK THAT'S REALLY GREAT.

AND I'M REALLY THANKFUL FOR IT.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR MATT, GINA OR COURTNEY, BUT I'LL THROW IT OUT THERE.

SO I PICKED ON.

MATT, COME ON UP. IT'S GOING TO BE FOR YOU.

FOR MATT. YEAH. SORRY.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOOD, THOUGH. SO I PICKED ON STARBUCKS EARLIER, SO I'M GOING TO PICK ON ALL NOW.

SO ALSO BESIDES FRONTAGE ON 78 AND A SIDE ELEVATION.

SO IF ALL SUBS WANTED TO PAINT A MURAL WITH THE SACHSE WATER TOWER ON IT AND ALL SACHSE CENTRIC AS PART OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

TECHNICALLY WE COULD SAY NO.

CORRECT. BECAUSE IT'S A VARIANCE.

CORRECT. OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I GOT A PROBLEM WITH.

BECAUSE IF IT'S THE SAME THEME, LET'S SAY, THEN WE SAY NO BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T QUITE LOOK AS GOOD AS CHASE OAKS.

THAT'S MY CONCERN. WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE THAT, AS MS. HOWARTH HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, I DON'T KNOW, AS I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FOND OF SAYING, THERE IS NO PERFECT ORDINANCE AND THERE NEVER WILL BE.

BUT MY THING IS, IF WE'RE GOING TO SERIOUSLY, IN MY OPINION, IF WE'RE GOING TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ALLOWING THESE IN OUR CITY IN SOME FORM OR FASHION.

I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE THE MORE BROAD APPROACH AND TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY, HEY, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO REGULATE THEM.

THIS IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, MS. HOWARD BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THERE'S OTHER ORDINANCES OUT THERE THAT DO REGULATE IT BY LOCATION, BY GEOGRAPHY.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S MANY THINGS WE CAN CONSIDER.

THAT'S MY CONCERN IS BECAUSE I HAVE ZERO PROBLEM WITH THE MURAL THEY WANT TO DO.

I THINK IT'S GREAT.

HOWEVER, WHAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS WHAT IT UNFORTUNATELY MIGHT MEAN FOR US AS A CITY DOWN THE ROAD.

AND I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE A CITY FULL OF MURALS, NOT BECAUSE I THINK MURALS ARE BAD OR ANYTHING, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY REGULATE THEIR CONTENT OTHER THAN BEING THE OBSCENITY THAT COURTNEY TALKED ABOUT.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A STEP BACK.

I SAY WE I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY, HEY.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND WE WANT THIS AWESOME MURAL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE A STEP BACK BEFORE WE TAKE A STEP FORWARD.

THAT'S MY OPINION. OKAY.

PONTIFICATED ALONG. QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS. DISCUSSION.

MOTIONS. MR. MILLSAP. CONCEPT OF THE OLD TOWN OR DOWNTOWN IS REALLY A SOCIAL ENGINEERING EXPERIMENT.

AND THIS IS PART OF THAT TYPE OF AN EXPERIMENT, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THAT IT ADDS.

COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, AND IT SHOWS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'RE WILLING TO.

AS ONE SPEAKER SHOWED, IT SHOWS WHERE WE'VE BEEN.

IT SHOWS WHERE WE THINK WE WANT TO GO.

WE ALWAYS KNOW WHERE WE'VE BEEN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UNDO THAT, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS UNDO WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

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BUT I THINK WE KNOW WHERE WE WANT TO GO, AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD ADD TO IT.

IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE, THE VARIANCE DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYBODY MAKES A REQUEST GETS IT.

AND BASING ON THAT, I MOVE THAT THE CITY APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A SITE VARIANCE FOR A MURAL GENERALLY LOCATED WEST OF SACHSE STATE HIGHWAY 78 AND NORTH OF THIRD STREET WITHIN THE CITY OF CITY LIMITS OF SACHSE AS PROPOSED.

MR. MILLSAP CAN I CHEAT AND JUST SAY E TWO IS PRESENTED? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY.

JUST MAKE IT EASY ON EVERYBODY.

OKAY. MR. MILLSAP HAS MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM E TWO AS PRESENTED.

MR. LINDSEY SECOND.

I HAVE A SECOND BY MR. LINDSEY.

IF THERE IS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, NOW IS THE TIME.

MS. NO.

OKAY.

I SEE NO OTHER DISCUSSION, SO PLEASE CAST YOUR BALLOT.

MOST CARRIES WITH MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS VOTING NO.

MISS HOWARD VOTING NO AND MAYOR BICKERSTAFF VOTING NO.

ITEM IS APPROVED. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM E THREE.

[3. Consider authorizing the City Manager to execute and award the bid for the construction of the 5th Street District Improvements Phase 1 (Alexander Street) project, R-22-05, to DDM Construction Corporation in the amount of Two Million, Seven Hundred Eighty-Nine Thousand, Nine Hundred Thirty-Three and No/100 Dollars ($2,789,933.00).]

CONSIDER AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AND AWARD THE BID FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIFTH STREET DISTRICT.

IMPROVEMENTS PHASE ONE ALEXANDER STREET PROJECT R-22-05 TO DTM CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $2 MILLION $2,789,933. MISS NASH.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS THE LONG AWAITED FIRST STEP OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR FIFTH STREET DISTRICT.

AS WE'VE DISCUSSED OVER JOINT MEETINGS AND SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE EDC AND OTHERS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, REALLY WE NEEDED TO TAKE A STEP BACK RELATIVE TO THE FIFTH STREET DISTRICT IN THE ZEAL TO DEVELOP THAT AREA AND BUILD SOME NEW RETAIL AND RESTAURANT SPACE. WE REALLY NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY AND FOCUS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.

THE CITY STAFF, I THINK, HAS DONE THOROUGH DILIGENCE AND WORKED WELL WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT PUTS THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, AS WE'RE CALLING PHASE ONE, FOR ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WITHIN THE FIFTH STREET DISTRICT.

SO AGAIN, I KNOW EVERYONE HAS LONG AWAITED FOR ALL THE RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS TO COME, BUT WE KIND OF HAD TO SET THE STAGE AND PUT THE PALLET TOGETHER, WHICH WE'VE DONE HERE, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND I'M ALSO GOING TO MAKE A SHAMELESS PLUG THAT THE PROJECT IS UNDER BUDGET AND THE STAFF WILL DO THAT, AND I'LL PROBABLY SAY IT THREE MORE TIMES BECAUSE IT IS.

AND MAYOR, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MATT AND NOT MATT COREY.

YEAH, THAT GUY ALREADY WALKED IN AND THAT'S NOT EVEN HERE ANYMORE.

YEAH, SORRY. I TOLD HIM. WELL, HE'S BEEN UP HERE ALL NIGHT, SO.