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>> I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE TEXAS CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.
[A. Meeting Opening]
TODAY IS MONDAY OCTOBER 16TH, 2023. THE TIME ON THE SCREEN.>> TIME IS 6:30 PM. WE ARE CALLED TO ORDER.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM A2, IMPLICATIONS AND PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE.
I'VE ASKED MS. HOWARTH TO LEAD OUR IMPLICATION AND MS. BUELLER DELETE OUR PLEDGES, SO IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE.
>> OUR KIND AND GRACIOUS, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE'RE GRATEFUL THAT WE CAN BE GATHERED HERE TOGETHER FOR THE CITY OF SACHSE COUNCIL MEETING.
WE ASK YOU TO BLESS US, TO TREAT EACH OTHER WITH KINDNESS AND RESPECT, TO MAKE WISE DECISIONS FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
PLEASE PROTECT OUR POLICE AND FIRE AND STAFF AND ALL THAT THEY DO TO KEEP THIS COMMUNITY FUNCTIONING AND SAFE.
WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR OUR MANY BLESSINGS AND FOR THE BEAUTIFUL WEATHER THAT WE'VE HAD THIS WEEK AND WE SAY THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. AMEN.
>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED.
[NOISE] NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM B, PUBLIC COMMENT.
[B. Public Comment]
THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL REGARDING ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY ON THE AGENDA.THE TIME LIMIT IS THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
PUBLIC COMMENT CARD SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY SECRETARY PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, COUNCIL WAS PROHIBITED FROM DISCUSSING ANY ITEM NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS UNDER ADVISER.
DOES ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? YES, SIR.
>> MATTHEW HOBOT, 5511 OAK RIDGE CIRCLE, TOP OF THE HILL.
[NOISE] HOPE I BROUGHT IT. THERE IT IS.
THE PROBLEM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HOSPITAL ITSELF.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CAPITAL STRUCTURE.
IT WAS UNDERFUNDED AND MISMANAGED.
THAT IS THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION.
DOES THAT NOT DESCRIBE THE 5TH STREET DISTRICT UP THE STREET? SAY IT BECAUSE IN THE REAL-WORLD, YOU JUST CAN'T KEEP INCREASING TAXES FOREVER.
YOU ASK THE EDC A QUESTION ABOUT IT AND THEY SAY, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU TRY TO LOOK AT THEIR FINANCES.
THEY PUT IT ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND SAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU A DAMN THING AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO.
YOU CAN'T CURSE, I TOLD TELLS YOU MANY TIMES YOU WILL NOT CURSE.
>> IT'S NON-NEGOTIABLE. CONTINUE.
>> IT DOESN'T BOTHER MY MOTHER.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WERE RAISED, BUT IF IT DOESN'T BOTHER MY MOM, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I CARE WHAT YOU THINK?
>> MY MOTHER BROKE MY GEORGE CARLIN RECORD A LONG TIME AGO.
IF I CROSS THAT LINE, YOU CAN JUMP UP.
BUT HELLER DAMN, AIN'T NO BIG FAT.
>> TAKE A SEAT. YOU CAN'T CURSE.
CAN I GET FINISHED? BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT IF THE RIGHTEOUS WANT MY THOUGHT.
>> WHEN YOU FOLLOW THE RULES, YOU CAN CONTINUE.
YOU ASK THE EDC AND THEY SAY WE DON T KNOW AND THEY FOLLOW ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU NOTHING.
YOU ASK THE AWARD WINNING FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THEY SAY, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU ANYTHING EITHER.
YOU'RE SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS UP THERE, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS UP THERE AND THERE AREN'T ANY ANSWERS.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU EVERY MEETING AND I MAY SAY A WORD YOU DON'T LIKE, BUT EVERY MEETING YOU'RE GOING TO GET ASKED.
YOU PROBABLY NEED TO BRING SOMEBODY UP HERE AND OPEN THE BOOKS BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.
WE HAVE THE HIGHEST TAXES IN NORTH TEXAS AND YOU EITHER DON'T KNOW OR DON'T CARE AND SOONER OR LATER IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO END.
CITY STAFF SAT UP HERE LAST WEEK, SEPTEMBER 5TH AND SAID, IT'S NOT DEMOCRATIC FOR PEOPLE IN THIS CITY TO HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON THINGS THEY DON'T USE.
WE'VE GOT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR BROKEN DISCO BALL DOWN AT THE 5TH STREET DISTRICT.
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>> YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED, FINISH YOUR THOUGHT.
>> WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT? WHERE DO I GET MY MONEY BACK? YOU GOT A MILLION-DOLLAR WALL BACK THERE FOR WHAT, 23 PEOPLE? WHERE DO I LINE UP AND GET MY MONEY BACK? BECAUSE CITY STAFF SAID, IT'S UNDEMOCRATIC.
[OVERLAPPING] ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME ON THE ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST THAT WAS SUBMITTED ONLINE.
MR. RYAN TUCKER, I'LL READ THESE COMMENTS VERBATIM.
THE ROAD PROJECT, TRYING TO GET MORE INFO ALSO WANT ON PUBLIC RECORD AND AGAIN, I'M READING VERBATIM.
HAVE GOTTEN SOME ANSWERS, BUT NEVER RETURNED INFO PROMISED TO BE GATHERED THAN A RETURN PHONE CALL/FOLLOW-UP.
WE HAVE A AG BUSINESS MUST HAVE ACCESS WITH TRAILERS TO FROM OUR PROPERTY.
FURTHERMORE, OUR PROPERTY LINE IS NOW TOUCHING THE CURRENT ASPHALT.
NO ONE HAS CONTACTED US ABOUT WIDENING LIKE THE PLAN SHOW.
I WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN TO WORK WITH YOU ALL AND FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
BUT LIKE ORIGINAL PLAN SHOW THE MEDIAN AT OUR MAIN DRIVE WILL NOT WORK.
AGAIN, THAT'S FROM MR. RYAN TUCKER WHO LIVE IN TEXAS.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON.
ITEM C IS COUNCIL STAFF REPORTS AND UPDATES.
[C. Council/Staff Reports and Updates]
ITEM C1 PRESENT A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING OCTOBER AS NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH.I WOULD ASK THE CODE COMPLIANCE STAFF TO COME JOIN ME DOWN FORTH.
>> WE HAVE EVERY POSITION IN THE CITY IS IMPORTANT AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND PRETEND THAT I WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE TO DO YOUR JOB.
[LAUGHTER] BUT YOU ALL DO AN EXCELLENT JOB AND YOU HAVE ONE OF THE TOUGHEST JOBS IN THE CITY.
I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY HEAR A LOT OF STORIES, BUT YOU DO YOUR JOB PROFESSIONALLY AND WE'RE VERY HONORED AND BLESSED TO HAVE YOU WORKING FOR OUR CITY.
IT'S GREAT THAT WE GET TO CELEBRATE YOU ALL OFFICIALLY THROUGH OUR NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH WITH THAT PROCLAMATION.
WHEREAS THE NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2005 BY PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH IN THE WAKE OF HURRICANE KATRINA TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE AND IMPACT THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OFTEN HAVE A CHALLENGING AND DEMANDING ROLE AND OFTEN DO NOT RECEIVE RECOGNITION FOR THE JOB THEY DO IN IMPROVING LIVING AND WORKING CONDITIONS FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE DEDICATED AND HIGHLY QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS WHO SHARE THE GOALS OF PREVENTING NEIGHBORHOOD DETERIORATION, ENHANCING AND ENSURING SAFETY, AND PRESERVING PROPERTY VALUES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND APPLICATION OF HOUSING ZONING AND NUISANCE CODES AND ORDINANCES.
AND WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE CALLED UPON TO PROVIDE QUALITY CUSTOMER SERVICE AND EXCELLENCE TO THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY SERVE.
WHEREAS THE CITY OF SACHSE AND THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT WANT TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND CODE PROFESSIONALS ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND BRING AWARENESS TO THE IMPORTANCE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT TO THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE.
NOW THEREFORE, I JEFF BICKERSTAFF, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SACHSE DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF OCTOBER 2023 AS NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE IN SACHSE AND ENCOURAGE ALL OUR RESIDENTS TO JOIN THE CITY COUNCIL IN RECOGNIZING AND EXPRESSING THEIR APPRECIATION FOR THE DEDICATION AND SERVICE OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO SERVE AS OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND THESE TWO GREAT INDIVIDUALS ARE RIGHT HERE. GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
>> AGAIN, THANK YOU TO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT.
THEY'LL DO A GREAT JOB AND WE WILL ACTUALLY GET TO HEAR FROM RAY IN JUST A MINUTE, SO DON'T GO ANYWHERE RAY.
NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS C2, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARDING THE SPECIAL EVENTS, CURRENT ACTIVITIES, AND LOCAL ACHIEVEMENTS.
OUR COUNCIL MEMBER THAT LIGHT TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AND THE AUDIENCE AT THIS TIME.
MR. PRESTON BERG. SHOULD BE GOOD.
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>> NOW. GOOD. JUMPED THE GUN. IT'S BEEN AWHILE MATTER OF PRACTICE.
>> THIS WEDNESDAY NIGHT IS THE SACHSE HIGH SCHOOL COMMUNITY PEP RALLY.
IF I'M DOING THE WHOLE VERBIAGE.
I KNOW MY DAUGHTER WILL BE OUT THERE.
MY SEVEN YEAR OLD AND FIVE YEAR OLD WOULD BE OUT THERE WITH THE DRILL TEAM DOING A LITTLE PERFORMANCE BEFOREHAND.
THEY'RE EXCITED, BUT IT'S A GREAT EVENT.
BEING A SMALL TOWN FILL OR WE GET TO GO OUT THERE AND JUST HAVE THE FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHT TYPE ATMOSPHERE AND ENJOY THE SCENERY.
I'M SURE MAYOR PRO TEM FRANK'S WILL BE OUT THERE AS WELL.
WHAT'S HIS DAUGHTER BEING HIGHLY?
>> ARE YOU'RE CHEERING? SWEET. BUT IT STARTS AT SEVEN.
SO JUST GET OUT THERE, SUPPORT THE TEAM, SUPPORT THE CITY AND GO MUSTANGS.
THEY PLAY SOUTH GARLAND THIS WEEK? I THINK.
>> FRIDAY NIGHT AT SEVEN SPJ. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. WE HAVE THE PUMPKIN PROWL COMING UP OCTOBER 21ST.
IT'S GOING TO BE OUT AT SALOMON PARK.
THERE'S COSTUME CONTEXTS, PUMPKIN HUNT, I THINK THERE'S FINE.
I'LL SEE LANCE USUALLY STANDS OUT TALLER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT THERE'S USUALLY ABOUT FIVE PLUS THOUSAND PUMPKINS GIVE OR TAKE.
I PUT OUT EVERYONE MYSELF, SO IT TAKES A WHILE.
HAY RIDE, AFTER DARK, IT'S A HAUNTED HAY RIDE, BEFORE DARK, IT'S A MORE FAMILY-FRIENDLY.
ALL GAMES, PRIZES, CONCESSION STANDS, MOVIE ON THE BASEBALL FIELD WHEN IT GETS DARKISH AT THE MICHAEL J. FELIX COMMUNITY CENTER.
WE HAVE TODDLER TIME IS BACK OPEN THIS FRIDAY AT 10:00 A.M AND WE HAVE A GLOW IN THE DARK PICKLEBALL NIGHT, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 27TH, AT THE MICHAEL J.
FOX COMMUNITY CENTER. SO I PLAN TO BE THERE. I HOPE TO SEE SOME OF YOU.
>> JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE AT THE LIBRARY.
NEW INTERESTING THINGS ARE GOING ON AS THERE ALWAYS IS.
BUT ALSO GET OVER AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PUMPKIN CARVING ACTIVITY.
SO I THINK YOU SEE SOME REALLY INTERESTING IMAGINATIONS AND CARVING PUMPKINS.
>> YES. THERE HAD BEEN SOME FAMOUS OR INFAMOUS ONES BEFORE.
THAT'S TRUE. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AND AUDIENCE AT THIS TIME?
>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT A COUPLE OF NEW EMPLOYEES.
FIRST, WE HAVE OFFICER KAYLA BUMPUS WHO CAME TO US FROM THE CITY OF WEATHERFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE SHE WAS ON THEIR FORCE FOR EIGHT YEARS.
THANK YOU TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ABLE TO ATTEND HER SWEARING IN AND GLAD TO HAVE HER HERE.
ALBERTO MORALES JOINED PUBLIC WORKS.
HE'S ONE OF OUR NEW MAINTENANCE TECHNICIANS ON THE STREETS CREW WHO HAS SOME PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE AS WELL AND THEN WE HAVE SEVERAL NEW MEMBERS OF THE LIBRARY STAFF AS PART OF OUR STAFFING UP TO PREPARE FOR EXPANSION OF HOURS AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
SO OUR FIRST HIRES, ABRAHAM AGUILAR AND PAMELA'S SCOTT, OUR NEW PART-TIME LIBRARY ASSISTANTS AND THEY BRING EXPERIENCE BOTH FROM DALLAS PUBLIC LIBRARY AND FROM THE CITY OF WYLIE.
WE ALSO HIRED OUR NEW ANIMAL SERVICES OFFICER, FINALLY GOT SOMEBODY TO FILL THAT POSITION.
HE HAS SOME PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH SOME DIFFERENT CITIES IN THE METRO PLEX, GLAD TO HAVE HIM HERE AND THEN OUR NEWEST CROSSING GUARD IS EMILY HEARTWHIG AND SHE JUST JOINED THE CITY AS WELL, SO VERY GLAD TO ADD THOSE NEW FOLKS.
THEN MAYOR, I JUST LIKE TO TACK ON THE RESONANT EMAIL THAT YOU READ EARLIER.
HE ACTUALLY WANTED THAT TO BE ON THE OCTOBER 2RD CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT THAT MEETING HAD BEEN CANCELED.
THE STAFF AND I GOT THAT E-MAIL.
CORY ALREADY CONTACTED THE GENTLEMEN AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME OF HIS QUESTIONS ON BAILEY ROADS, SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WE'VE ALREADY STARTED ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE.
SO IT'S NOT HANGING OUT THERE.
>> GREAT. THANKS FOR THAT DAY.
>> JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS.
THE ANNUAL FALL FEST CELEBRATION HOSTED ABOUT IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY CHAMBER COMMERCE WILL BE EARLIER THIS YEAR, OCTOBER 21ST.
YOU CAN ENJOY THE GAMES AND VENDORS AT SUMMER PARKS, IS IT SUMMER PARK? IT'S HERITAGE PARK MY BAD, FROM 10:00 A.M TO 05:00 P.M THE MANDATORY AND RENTAL REGISTRATION PROGRAM IS UNDERWAY.
THIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY CONTACT INFORMATION TO THE CITY.
THERE ARE NO INSPECTION AND NO FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROGRAM.
THE OWNERS REQUIRED TO REGISTER BY JULY 31ST, 2024, AND WITHIN 30 DAYS OF A CHANGE IN OCCUPANCY, PLEASE CONTACT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WITH ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
THANK YOU TO ALL WHO SUPPORTED IN
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NORTH TEXAS FOOD BANK WITH YOUR PEANUT BUTTER DONATIONS AND PERSON ONLINE.THAT'S ALWAYS A FUN EVENT FOR US TO DO AND YOUR GENEROSITY IS GREATLY APPRECIATED TO HELP FIGHT HUNGER.
THE COMMUNITY TOOL SHED, WHICH WE'VE BEEN SHOWING AROUND HERE, IS READY FOR SERVICE, SIMILAR TO THE LIBRARY, YOU CAN CHECK OUT AND BORROW TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT TO HELP MAINTAIN YOUR PROPERTY.
THE SHED IS MOBILE AND THE EQUIPMENT CAN BE BROUGHT TO YOU AND PICKED UP AS NEEDED.
THIS IS A UNIQUE SERVICE IN OUR AREA AND WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT BY CONTACTING NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
NOVEMBER 11TH IS VETERANS DAY, SO THE OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED ON FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH IN OBSERVANCE OF THAT HOLIDAY AND THEN LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, I WANT TO GIVE A SPECIAL SHOUT-OUT CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOR BEING NAMED ONE OF THE 2023 RICHARD OUR LITTLE PLANNING EXCELLENCE AWARD RECIPIENTS.
THAT'S QUITE A MOUTHFUL FROM THE FELLOWS OF AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED PLANNERS.
THIS PROGRAM RECOGNIZES PLANNING EXCELLENCE IN MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND SACHSE AS ONE OF ONLY 46 TEXAS CITIES.
THEY EARNED RECOGNITION THIS YEAR FROM PLAN REVIEW TO INTERPRETING ZONING AND WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS TO BRING THE BUSINESS TO SACHSE.
OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM DOES A GREAT JOB.
MATT, IT'D BE COMMANDED YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THAT'S AN AWESOME WORD AGAIN.
AND I DO KNOW THERE'S MORE THAN 46 CITIES IN TEXAS, SO CONGRATULATIONS.
ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL MOVE ON. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM D, CONSENT AGENDA.
[D. Consent Agenda - All items listed on the consent agenda will be considered by the City Council and will be enacted on by one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a Councilmember or a member of the public so requests.]
ITEMS LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.THERE WOULD BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ATOMS UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, SO REQUEST.
I DIDN'T WANT TO PROVE THE SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2023 SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES, ITEM 2 APPROVE THE SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.
ITEM 3, APPROVE THESE SEPTEMBER 26, 2023 SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES.
ITEM 4, EXCEPT THE MONTHLY REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE REPORT FOR THE PERIOD ENDING AUGUST 31ST, 2023.
OUT OF FIVE AUTHORIZED THE PURCHASE OF BOOKS AND LIBRARY MATERIALS FROM INGRAM LIBRARY SERVICES THROUGH THE TEXAS SMART BIKE PROGRAM, NOT TO EXCEED THE BUDGETED FUNDS OF $61,080 FOR THE SACHSE PUBLIC LIBRARY.
ITEM 6, AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE OF 124 FORD F150 TRUCK FROM ROSS TRUCK CENTERS OF TEXAS DUE TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT BY BOARD COOPERATIVE PURCHASING PROGRAM NUMBER 601, DASH 19, NOT TO EXCEED 254178 THOUSAND EXCUSE ME, $254,178 FOR THE TRUCK AND FOR OUTFITTING FOR THE CITY SACHSE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
ITEM 7 AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND ENTER INTO A CONTRACT THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $90,320 WITH NORTH TEXAS CONTRACTING INCORPORATED FOR WATERLINE REPAIRS AT PLEASANT VALLEY PLACE.
WE DO EVERY QUESTION AND MOVE ON TO SIX FROM RESIDENTS, SO THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS ON THE CONSENT? MRS. MILLS.
ANY OTHER ATOMS TO BE REMOVED.
SO THAT LEAVES 1, 2, 3, 5, AND 7.
YOUR TIME, DISCUSSION OR MOTIONS. MS. HOWARTH.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 1, 2, 3.
>> I'LL MAKE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS 1, 2, 3, 5, AND 7.
DO HAVE A SECOND, MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS.
>> I HAVE A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR BALLOT.
[NOISE] MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
ITEM 4, EXCEPT THE MONTHLY REVENUE AND
[4. Accept the monthly revenue and expenditure report for the period ending August 31, 2023.]
EXPENDITURE REPORT FOR THE PERIOD ENDING AUGUST 31ST, 2023.I THINK THIS WAS REMOVED BY MR. MILLSAP.
LET ME TURN YOUR MIC ON HERE. GO AHEAD.
>> ON ITEM 4, PAGE 3, I GUESS, IT WOULD BE UTILITY FUN PART OF IT.
ABOUT MID-PAGE IT SAYS STORMWATER PROJECTS, $80,000.
THIS IS BUDGETED FOR THE YEAR.
WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT, IT SHOWS WHERE 92% OF THE YEAR HAS ALREADY GONE, BUT WE ONLY FINISHED 46% OF THOSE PROJECTS.
THOSE SMALL PROJECTS OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD DRAINAGE PROBLEMS WERE WHEN IT RAINS, WATER TENDS TO PUDDLE AND FLOOD LITTLE AREAS.
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WE'VE HAD ALL SUMMER TO DO THAT.NOW THAT WE'VE GOT WET WEATHER COMING UP, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE COMPLAINTS BECAUSE WATER IS GOING TO BE STANDING AGAIN, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE WET AND WATER STANDING.
I THINK SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO LOOK INTO DOING THOSE SMALL PROJECTS.
ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THE LIST OR NOT, BUT THERE'S A PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO BE REALLY ADDRESSED ON A NACHES AND CORNWALL, WHERE THERE'S A DRAINAGE THERE THAT HAS SOME REAL SERIOUS, I THINK, POTENTIAL SAFETY PROBLEMS ALSO.
THE GREAT IF SO IT'S DEEP ENOUGH THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF A SMALL KID 2, 3 YEARS OLD KICKS A BALL AND FALLS INTO GREAT, THEY CAN ACTUALLY CRAWL DOWN IN IT TO GET IT OUT.
BUT IT'S SO DEEP THAT THEY CAN'T GET OUT THEMSELVES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS JUST NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
BUT I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE HERE, WE ARE 92% OVER YEARS GONE, BUT WE'VE ONLY DONE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS BEING NEEDED LESS THAN HALF OF THE PROJECTS.
LET'S JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
>> I JUST UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE NUMBERS IN THE REPORT?
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE NUMBERS IN THE REPORT?
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS ISN'T JUST BROUGHT TO IT.
THIS IS JUST TELLING ME THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED PROBLEMS. WE PUT MONEY ASIDE FOR IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THEM THE WHOLE YEAR.
BUT WE'VE PUT MONEY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR IN FORUM.
WHENEVER PAID UP FRONT, WE SHOULD HAVE BEGUN TO ADDRESS I'M GOING TO HAVE THEM DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING GO AWAY.
>> NO, THAT'S FINE. THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE NUMBERS. NO, NOT AT ALL.
>> JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. IN YOUR DISCUSSION ON ITEM 4.
IF NOT, ENTERTAIN THEM ON. MS. HOWARTH.
>> MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 4 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
>> I HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HOWARTH TO PROVE ITEM 4 AS PRESENTED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? MR. PRESTON BERG.
>> SECOND BY MR. PRESTON BERG.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE, CAST YOUR BALLOT ON ITEM 4 CONSENT AGENDA.
[NOISE] MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
OUT OF SIX [INAUDIBLE] MOVED AT THE REQUESTS FOR
[6. Authorize the purchase of one (1) 2024 Ford F-550 Pipe Hunter Jet Truck from Rush Truck Centers of Texas through the Texas Local Government BuyBoard cooperative purchasing program (#601-19) not to exceed Two Hundred Fifty-Four Thousand, One Hundred Seventy-Eight and No/100 Dollars ($254,178.00) for the truck and outfitting for the City of Sachse Public Works Department.]
MR. MARTY HOBO. COME ON DOWN, MR. HOBO.>> MARTY HOBO, PITCH 511 OAK RIDGE CIRCLE, SACHSE, TEXAS, TOP OF THE HILL.
WHEN YOU HAD AN EXTRA $250,000 IN THE UTILITY FUND, THIS COUNCIL LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND SAID, THERE IS NO BETTER PROJECT TO SPIN THIS QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS ON THAN A WONDERFUL DISCO BALL AT THE 5TH STREET DISTRICT.
WELL, LO AND BEHOLD, HERE'S $254,000 THAT WILL BUY A TRUCK THAT I'M SURE WE NEED, BECAUSE THIS 20-YEARS-OLD.
BUT I NOW KNOW WHY WE HAVE THE HIGHEST PROPERTY TAXES IN NORTH TEXAS.
BECAUSE YOU EITHER DON'T KNOW OR YOU DON'T CARE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. HOBO. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM, ITEM 6? HEARING NONE, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL, ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> HAVE A MOTION BY MR. PRESTON BERG TO APPROVE ITEM D6 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED, I'M ASSUMING?
>> THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS.
>> I HAVE A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM E, REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS.
[1. Receive an update from the City's Neighborhood Services Division.]
ITEM 1, RECEIVE AN UPDATE FROM THE CITY'S NEIGHBORHOODS SERVICES DIVISION. MS. NASH?>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, SINCE RAY IS HERE TONIGHT, I DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON ALL THE THINGS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IS DOING AND WORKING ON, AND THEY'VE GOT SOME EXCITING NEW PROGRAMS. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ACCOMPLISHMENTS,
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BUT ALSO JUST SOME OF THE NEW THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, AND GIVE RAY THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU TONIGHT.>> HELLO, SIR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS RAYMAN DOES NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES MANAGER.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR ACTIVITIES FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES OVER THE COURSE OF THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR.
LET ME START WITH THE CURRENT UPDATE.
THE RANGERS DID WENT [NOISE] [LAUGHTER] STOLE MY THUNDER ANYWAY.
JUST REAL QUICKLY. ANYBODY WHO WATCHED IT ONLINE, SORRY.
TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT WE OFFER IN NEIGHBORHOODS SERVICES.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DISCUSS OUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR WHICH WE JUST COMPLETED [NOISE] ON SEPTEMBER 30TH.
AS A RESULT OF THOSE MEASURES, WE'LL ALSO TALK ABOUT OUR TOP FIVE VIOLATIONS, PROGRAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 22/23 PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS, AND THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
AS YOU KNOW, THE MISSION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS TO PROVIDE A SAFE AND LIVABLE COMMUNITIES THROUGH THE USE OF PROACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED CODE ENFORCEMENT, PUBLIC OUTREACH, EDUCATION, INCREASED PUBLIC AWARENESS.
ALL OF THIS OF COURSE, IS GEARED TOWARDS ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT OUR RESIDENTS HERE IN SACHSE DESIRE AND REALLY EXPECT FROM US.
MAJOR SERVICES THAT WE OFFER ARE PROACTIVE AND REACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT INSPECTIONS.
WE ALSO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH CWD IN COORDINATING TRASH, RECYCLING, AND BULK COLLECTION SERVICES, AS WELL AS OUR TWO ANNUAL EXTREME GREEN RECYCLING EVENTS.
WE ALSO WORK CLOSELY WITH DALLAS COUNTY IN THE MONITORING OF OUR FOOD SERVICE CONTRACTS, FOR OUR FOOD SERVICE INSPECTIONS OF OUR RESTAURANTS, VECTOR SERVICES AS WELL.
THEY HANDLE ALL THE MOSQUITO TRAPS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
THEY ADVISE US WHENEVER THERE'S ANY POSITIVE TESTS, AND WHEN ANY SPRAYING WILL OCCUR AS A RESULT OF THOSE FINDINGS AND THEN WE ALSO COORDINATE VOLUNTEER ACTIVITIES WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARTNERS TO DO CLEAN-UP PROJECTS IN SOME OF OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.
LET ME TALK ABOUT OUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IN OUR CHART, WE HAVE MEASURES FROM OUR LAST FISCAL YEAR, 21-22, MEASURES FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR THAT WE JUST COMPLETED, AND THEN OUR TARGET FOR NEXT YEAR, FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR.
TOTAL NUMBER OF CASES THAT WE HAD FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2022/23 WERE 1,272, JUST A SLIGHT INCREASE ABOVE LAST YEAR'S.
THAT NUMBER WE'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE BY ABOUT 400.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE THIS HERE IS WE'VE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBER.
[NOISE] WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES SPECIALIST THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKING WITH US NOW, I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW HIM.
BILLY HAUGH, HE'S WORKED WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND HE'LL BE WORKING WITH US NOW, HELPING US COORDINATE SOME OF OUR OUTSOURCE SERVICES LIKE RESTAURANT INSPECTIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AS FAR AS PERCENTAGES OF CASES, CLOTHES THROUGH VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE, THOSE ARE GENERALLY THE CASES THAT WE CLOSE WITHIN THE TIME-FRAME OF THE FIRST NOTICE THAT'S GIVEN TO THE RESIDENTS.
THE STANDARD IN THE INDUSTRY CURRENTLY IS 85%, EITHER EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN 85%.
TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS TO CLOSE.
THOSE ARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS THAT IT TAKES US TO ACTUALLY CLOSE A CASE FROM THE TIME THAT WE'VE INITIATED IT THROUGH OUR FIRST INSPECTION UP UNTIL THE TIME THAT IT'S COMPLIED WITH.
THE INDUSTRY STANDARD THERE IS LESS THAN 30 DAYS.
FOR THIS YEAR, WE WERE AT 13.4.
WE HAVE A LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET FOR CONTRACTOR ABATEMENTS THAT'S IN THESE SITUATIONS, [NOISE] WHERE WE COME ACROSS INDIVIDUALS THAT FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER ARE UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO TAKE CARE OF THE VIOLATION THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THOSE INSTANCES, WE HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO COMPLETE THE WORK.
WE GENERALLY PASS ON THE COSTS OF THE CONTRACTOR TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND ALONG WITH THAT, WE ALSO TAKE ON A $250 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.
FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022/23 WE HAD 26 OF THOSE.
NOT ALL OF THOSE ARE FORCED ABATEMENT.
SOME OF THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE DO BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, THERE'S NOT ANYBODY THAT'S PARTICULARLY RESPONSIBLE FOR A PARTICULAR AREA, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY TAKES ON ITS OWN.
THOSE COSTS, WE GENERALLY AREN'T ABLE TO GET BACK.
BUT THE FORCED ABATEMENT, WE DO BAIL THEM.
SOMETIMES WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET SOME OF THOSE MONIES BACK.
THE OTHER TIMES IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE DON'T RECEIVE PAYMENT, WE JUST END UP FILING A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.
THE TOP FIVE VIOLATIONS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT THIS YEAR,
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AGAIN, AT THE TOP OF THE LIST WAS BULK TRASH WITH 529.THAT WAS FOLLOWED BY VEGETATION WHICH IS GENERALLY HIGH GRASS AND WEEDS WITH 275, BLIGHT ACCOUNTED FOR 119 OF THE VIOLATIONS, INOPERABLE VEHICLES 82, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, 64.
THE BULK TRASH VIOLATIONS THEMSELVES ACCOUNTED FOR ABOUT 42% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, AND THE ENTIRE TOP FIVE OF THOSE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, MADE UP 85% OF OUR VIOLATIONS.
FOR YOUR REFERENCE, I HAVE SOME PHOTOS HERE OF SOME OF THOSE TOP FIVE VIOLATIONS.
FIRST ONE THERE THAT YOU SEE IS AN INOPERABLE VEHICLE ON A DRIVEWAY.
THOSE ARE DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE ONES THAT ARE HANDLED BY PD, WHICH ARE USUALLY THOSE THAT ARE ON THE STREET.
WE HANDLE THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY THEMSELVES.
THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, THERE IS A VEGETATION, HIGH GRASS AND WEEDS TYPE VIOLATION.
THE FENCE THERE IS A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VALIDATION, USUALLY WHEN IT'S AN DILAPIDATED STATE, MISSING PICKETS, LEANING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS WHEN WE ADDRESSED THOSE.
THERE YOU HAVE A TYPICAL BULK TRASH VIOLATION.
A LOT OF TIMES THOSE OCCUR WHEN THEY'RE PLACED OUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN WHEN THE COLLECTION IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE.
WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE WITH OUR TAGS.
THE LAST TIME WE WERE UP HERE, I PRESENTED TO YOU THE NEW OPTION THAT WE HAD OF THE ORANGE VIOLATION TAGS, WHICH WE ESSENTIALLY GIVE THEM AND GIVES THEM AN ADDITIONAL FIVE DAYS TO CORRECT IT.
IF THEY DON'T, THEN AT THAT TIME THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO A VIOLATION.
THOSE HAVE WORKED WELL, EVEN THOUGH THAT NUMBER IS STILL AT THE TOP OF OUR LIST, THEY HAVE HELPED US IN TERMS OF GETTING THEM TO REMOVE THE ITEMS FROM THE CURB UNTIL IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO GO BACK OUT.
THEN ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE A PICTURE WHICH CONSTITUTES WHAT WE TYPICALLY CALL BLIGHT.
IN THIS SITUATION, THIS WAS A VACANT STRUCTURE THAT WAS UNSECURED, HAD WINDOWS THAT WERE BUSTED OUT IN FRONT DOOR THAT WAS OPEN.
THAT WAS ONE THAT WE HAD OUR CONTRACTOR ABATE, AND HEADED BOARDED UP AND BUILD A PROPERTY OWNER FOR.
AS FAR AS ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022/23.
AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE COORDINATED TWO SUCCESSFUL EXTREME GREEN EVENTS.
ONE IN MAY AND ONE IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
WE ALSO COORDINATED WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARTNERS.
IN PARTICULAR, THE CROSSROADS CHURCH IN ROWLETT.
THEY ASSISTED US IN COORDINATING TO FENCE REPLACEMENT PROJECTS FOR SOME ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS THAT DID NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO ADDRESS THAT.
WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR SACHSE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION IN HELPING US TO DO SOME VOLUNTEER PROJECTS AS FAR AS YARD CLEAN-UPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ONE OF THE NEW THINGS THAT WE STARTED THIS YEAR, THEY STARTED AT THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST.
WE ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL MULTIFAMILY AND DUPLEX INSPECTIONS.
THESE INSPECTIONS WERE PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THESE ARE REQUIRED UNDER ORDINANCE FOR MULTIFAMILY AND DUPLEX PROPERTIES, PRIOR TO OCCUPANCY BY A NEW TENANT.
WE GO OUT AND DO AN INSPECTION.
IT'S A VACANT PROPERTY WE GO IN, DO A CURSORY CHECK, JUST ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE WORKING SMOKE DETECTORS.
WE CHECKED THE ELECTRICAL PANELS, THE CONNECTIONS TO THE WATER HEATER, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S READY FOR OCCUPANCY.
AT THE TIME THAT I DID THE PRESENTATION, WE HAD 26.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE DONE ABOUT FOUR MORE, SO WE'RE UP TO ABOUT 30 RIGHT NOW.
AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED EARLIER, WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ANNOUNCEMENTS, WE DID LAUNCH OUR COMMUNITY TOOL SHED PROGRAM.
AFTER SEVERAL DELAYS WITH OUR BUS, WHICH INCLUDED A STOLEN CATALYTIC CONVERTER, [LAUGHTER] WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT BACK ON LINE.
>> WE GOT IT POPULAR IN IT. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE GOT IT BACK OVER AND HAD THE WRAP PLACED ON IT, SO IT LOOKS NICE.
I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IT OUT THERE.
WE'VE LAUNCHED THAT AND WE'VE ALSO LAUNCHED A RENTAL REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT WE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU EARLIER THIS YEAR, WHICH YOU APPROVED.
WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING ON THE LINE NOW.
PEOPLE CAN GO IN THERE, FILL OUT THE APPLICATIONS AND SUBMIT THEM, AND ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED, ALL OF THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE AND COMPLETED BY THE END OF JANUARY OF THE UPCOMING YEAR.
I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE ABATEMENT PROPERTIES, I MENTIONED THAT WE HAD 26 THAT WERE ABATED.
SIXTEEN OF THOSE WERE THE FORCED ABATEMENTS THAT I TALKED ABOUT, WHERE WE HIRE THE CONTRACTOR, AND WE BUILD A PROPERTY OWNER.
IN THOSE INSTANCES, ON THOSE 16, WE HAD A RETURN OF INVESTMENT ON FIVE OF THOSE, WHERE WE RECEIVED MONIES BACK, WHICH ACCOUNTED FOR ABOUT ALMOST 25% OR A QUARTER OF WHAT WE SPENT THIS YEAR.
AGAIN, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THE ACTUAL PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR WERE THE LAUNCHING OF THE TOOL SHED AND THE RENTAL REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
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ACTUALLY, ON THE PRESENTATION HERE, I HAVE THIS HYPERLINK TO THE WEB PAGE.THIS WILL TAKE YOU TO THE WEBSITE AND IT GIVES YOU THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE PROGRAM.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED, THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT IS MANDATORY, THERE'S NO FEE ASSOCIATED, NO INSPECTIONS.
WE ALSO DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT US IN CREATING A SPECIAL EMAIL ADDRESS, NOT ONLY FOR THE RENTAL REGISTRATION PROGRAM, BUT ALSO FOR THE TWO LOANER PROGRAMS, SO THAT PEOPLE COULD GET WITH US, AND REQUEST EITHER OF THESE SERVICES.
THAT EMAIL ADDRESSES IS NEIGHBORHOODSSERVICES@CITYOFSACHSE.COM.
AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT ALSO HAS THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE RENTAL REGISTRATION, EITHER THE FILLABLE TYPE THAT YOU CAN DO THERE AND EMAIL DIRECTLY TO US, OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY JUST PRINTED OUT, FILL IT OUT, AND RETURN IT EITHER BY MAIL OR BRING IT HERE TO THE OFFICE DIRECTLY.
THERE'S ALSO A SIMILAR TYPE OF LINK FOR THE COMMUNITY TOOL SHED AS WELL.
AGAIN, IT ALSO PROVIDES YOU WITH THE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR TOOL SHED, HOW THEY CAN GO ABOUT BORROWING THOSE TOOLS FROM US AND AGAIN, IT REFERENCES THE SAME EMAIL ADDRESS AS WITH THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
WITH THAT, THAT'S MY PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MENDEZ. QUESTIONS FOR MR. MENDEZ FROM THE CITY COUNCIL? MR. PRESIDENT.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
>> REAL QUICK, ON THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES YOU HAD, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CODE INFORMED CASES YOU HAD MENTIONED GOING UP ROUGHLY 25%.
YOU SAID THIS IS DUE TO HAVING NEW HEADCOUNT COME ON BOARD AND YOU ENVISION EXTRA CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS OR TAGGING CERTAIN THINGS.
>> BUT ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IT TALKS ABOUT ALL THE VIOLATIONS.
DO YOU THINK THE BULK OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE BULK TRASH OR VEGETATION.
IS THERE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO GET IN FRONT OF THOSE SO WE DON'T COME BACK EVERY YEAR FROM NOW AND SAY, YEAH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET 1,600? [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT OUR GOAL IS.
WE WANT TO GET AS LOW AS POSSIBLE
>> NO. I UNDERSTAND. ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO BACK, AND THAT'S NOT ON THIS PRESENTATION, BUT IF YOU GO BACK THE PREVIOUS TWO FISCAL YEARS, I ARRIVED HERE IN MARCH OF '21, AND THAT'S BEEN THE TOP VIOLATION GOING BACK TO THAT TIMEFRAME.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ACCURATE RECORD THAT REFLECTS WHAT THOSE TOTALS WERE AT THAT TIME BECAUSE PRIOR TO MY ARRIVING HERE, WE HAD JUST CHANGED SYSTEMS. THE NEW SYSTEM DOESN'T HAVE THE DATA THAT WE HAD PRIOR TO THAT.
BUT IN 2021, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CODE CASES WAS 658.
THAT ROSE TO 845 IN 2021, AND 1,200 IN 2022, AND THEN NOW WE'RE AT 1,272.
THERE HAS BEEN A STEADY INCREASE.
THE INCREASE THAT YOU SEE THERE FOR '24 IS REALLY MORE ATTRIBUTED TO THE ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES THAT WE'LL BE UNDERTAKING NOW THAT WE HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES SPECIALISTS ON BOARD WORKING WITH US, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO ENTAIL CREATING SOME ADDITIONAL CATEGORIES TO ACCOUNT FOR THE TYPES OF INSPECTIONS THAT HE'LL BE CONDUCTING AS WELL.
>> I'M CURIOUS TO SEE IF THE VEGETATION ONES WITH THE COMMUNITY YARD CARE, [NOISE] IF THOSE WILL GO DOWN, BECAUSE YOU CAN HANG A TAG AND SAY, HERE'S A LANE.
GO TAKE CARE OF IT. YOU GOT FIVE DAYS.
>> INTERESTINGLY ON YOUR LEFT, LIKE I SAID, WE HAD SOME DELAYS IN ACTUALLY GETTING THAT PROGRAM ON BOARD WITH THE TUITION AND ALL THAT.
BUT WE'VE HAD HAD SOME INQUIRIES.
WE'VE HAD JUST A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACTUALLY BORROWED TOOLS, PROBABLY LESS THAN 10 AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME.
BUT THE WORD IS STARTING TO GET OUT THERE.
THE INFORMATION THAT I SHOWED YOU JUST NOW THAT'S ON OUR WEBSITE IS ON ALL OUR SOCIAL WEB PAGES.
WE'VE ALSO GOT IT IN PRINT FORM AT THE CASHIERS' WINDOWS.
WHEN PEOPLE COME IN, THEY CAN PICK THAT STUFF UP AS WELL.
WE'VE ALSO PASSED THOSE ALONG TO THE SENIOR CENTER AND I'VE GOT SOME FLYERS THAT I WANT TO TAKE OVER TO THE LIBRARY AS WELL.
>> I THINK WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK HAS JUST BEEN DISCUSSED WITH US.
NOTICE THAT YOUR TARGET IS TO INCREASE YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES UP TO 30%.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS TARGETED, YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING IT ON PURPOSE OR ARE YOU EXPECTING MORE PEOPLE TO BE IN VIOLATION?
>> NO. THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE ATTRIBUTED TO THE ADDITION OF THE NEW STAFF MEMBER.
WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PERSON IN ADDITION TO MYSELF AND VICTORIA WHO WAS UP HERE EARLIER.
BY THE WAY, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO INTRODUCE VICTORIA EARLIER.
IF YOU DON'T MIND STANDING UP, PLEASE.
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SHE'S OUR NEWEST, ACTUALLY GOING ON A YEAR NOW, DECEMBER IT WILL BE ONE YEAR.SHE'S OUR SENIOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
SHE HAS EXTENSIVE HISTORY IN CODE ENFORCEMENT, PROBABLY 10 YEARS COMBINED, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SHE ALSO WORKED AS A DETENTION OFFICER PREVIOUSLY.
WE'VE ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE WERE BOTH AT FARMERS BRANCH.
I JUST WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO INTRODUCE HER AS WELL.
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO ASK THIS AS DIFFERENT WAY.
BULK TRACKERS ARE OUR BIGGEST VIOLATION.
WHATEVER WE'RE DOING IS NOT WORKING.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO DIFFERENTLY IN THE FUTURE?
>> WE HAVE SOME IDEAS AND THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS BOTH LAUREN AND GINA.
POSSIBLY SOME ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, SOME IDEAS THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH CWD AS FAR AS HOW WE ADVERTISE THE PROGRAM.
MAYBE EVEN INCLUDING SOMETIMES AT THE ENTRANCES TO NEIGHBORHOODS, SO HOPING THAT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION WILL GET THROUGH PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH AND HOW WE CAN BETTER GET A HANDLE OF IT.
>> HOW DO I ASK THIS? IS IT BY ORDINANCES? LET'S SAY YOU HAVE YOU BEEN TAGGED FOR BULK TRASH, IS THERE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE SO MANY DAYS TO FIX THAT THING OR HOW DOES THAT WORK?
>> YEAH. BASICALLY IN OUR ORDINANCE, AND I THINK THIS MAY BE PART OF THE ISSUE AS WELL, THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT WHEN YOUR BULK COLLECTION IS DUE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT IT OUT NO EARLIER THAN 48 HOURS BEFORE.
IN THE SAME ORDINANCE, IT ALSO STATES THAT IF YOU'RE PUTTING OUT SOLELY BRUSH, YOU CAN PUT IT OUT STARTING THE SATURDAY BEFORE.
I THINK THAT CREATES SOME CONFUSION FOR FOLKS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO EXPLORE AS A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT FURTHER DOWN THE LINE.
BUT AS I MENTIONED, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO DISCUSS IN-HOUSE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
>> I'M TALKING ON THE BACKEND.
>> WHAT STATES THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU HAVE?
>> THE LETTER THAT WE GIVE THEM BASICALLY STATES THAT THEY HAVE SEVEN DAYS. IT'S A SEVEN-DAY NOTICE.
>> BUT WHO SETS THAT SEVEN DAYS?
>> THE SAME THING WITH VEGETATION?
>> NO. THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF NOTICE TIMEFRAMES DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF VIOLATION.
FOR EXAMPLE, BULK TRASH, VEGETATION, OUTSIDE STORAGE, THINGS THAT ARE EASILY CORRECTABLE ARE SEVEN-DAY NOTICES.
JUNK VEHICLES ARE USUALLY A TWO-WEEK TIMEFRAME, OR 15-DAY NOTICE.
PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VIOLATIONS, THE ONES THAT USUALLY ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS OR CAN TAKE SOME TIME TO CORRECT, WE USUALLY GIVE A 30-DAY NOTICE ON.
>> THAT'S WHERE I WAS LEADING, IS TO WHAT SOME OF THOSE LIKE, LET'S SAY, A BIG FENCE THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED EVEN.
THAT CAN BE A VERY LARGE EXPENSE.
>> WHAT STATES DIFFERENTLY TIMEWISE? IS IT DISCRETION, IS IT A POLICY, IS IT AN ORDINANCE?
>> THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL.
>> MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS, I WANT TO ADD ONTO SOMETHING THAT RAY TALKED ABOUT.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT GETTING ANY BETTER.
ONE OF THE THINGS, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER HOWARTH HAS A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS IN HER OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WANT TO USE THEM AS AN EXAMPLE.
THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S HAD VERY FEW PEOPLE LEAVE, THEY'RE ALL ORIGINAL HOME OWNERS.
YEARS AGO, IT WAS BULK PICKUP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH.
THEY CONTINUE TO DO THAT EVEN WHEN THEY GET NOTICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE FOUND HAS BEEN HELPFUL FOR US IS WHEN WE HAD TO SPLIT WOODBRIDGE WEST INTO TWO DIFFERENT AREAS FOR TRASH PICKUP, WE PUT OUT SMALL SIGNS ALL THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WELL OVER A MONTH AND NOTIFIED PEOPLE TO GET THEM TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME VERY STRONG PUBLIC OUTREACH ON THESE THINGS.
IT'S GOING TO BE THINGS LIKE THAT, NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD TO RETRAIN PEOPLE.
BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY, SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL THAT STUFF.
HONESTLY, WE PUT IT OUT THERE.
SOME PEOPLE READ IT AND MOST DON'T.
THEY JUST DEFAULT BACK TO WHAT THEY'RE USED TO.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A LOT MORE STRICT AND STRINGENT AND PROBABLY GO BY NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH NEW WAYS AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO BE ABLE TO DO.
>> YEAH, YOU CAN GIVE ME REASONS WHY, BUT IT'S A SYSTEMATIC PROBLEM.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD IT IS.
MOST PEOPLE EITHER DON'T CARE, DON'T GO LOOK, OR IT'S A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE.
IF A STORM COMES THROUGH AND BREAKS OFF A BIG BRANCH,
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I'M NOT WAITING TO PUT IT OUT THREE WEEKS IF IT JUST HAPPENED.I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT IT CONTINUES TO BE A PROBLEM AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU SAID A YEAR AGO, OUR TOTAL NUMBER OF CASES, OR IN 2022, GOES 600 CASES.
WE HAVE ALMOST 600 CASES JUST IN BULK TRASH ALONE.
THIS PROBLEM IS NOT GOING AWAY.
WE'VE GOT TO HAD A DIFFERENT SOLUTION AND I KNOW WE HAVE A COMPLIANCE DESIRE RATHER THAN A FINE.
>> I AGREE WITH IT. I THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE SHOULD STAY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE, WHETHER IT IS IN WOODBRIDGE WEST.
HEY, YOUR BULK TRASH IS NOW, IT'S THIS COMING THURSDAY.
I DON'T CARE IF YOUR BULK TRASH WAS 10 YEARS AGO IT WAS ON MONDAY.
WELL, IT'S NOT THE FIRST MONDAY ANYMORE, AND IT HASN'T BEEN IN TEN YEARS. GET WITH THE PROGRAM.
>> I THINK THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN CLOSE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION WHEN WE WENT TO THE ORANGE TAGS.
THE ORANGE TAGS WERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAME UP WITH LAST YEAR AND IT SHORTENS THE TIMEFRAME BECAUSE WE TELL THEM YOU HAVE FIVE DAYS FROM THE RECEIPT OF THIS TAG TO REMOVE IT OFF THE CURB BECAUSE IT'S NOT TIME YET.
IF IT DOESN'T GET REMOVED, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A CITATION.
ALMOST EVERY TIME THAT WE ISSUED THOSE ORANGE TAGS, IT GOES AWAY.
THEY'LL FIND A PLACE TO PUT IT.
THEY WILL PUT IT BEHIND THEIR FENCE IN THE BACKYARD.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MENDEZ FROM COUNCIL? ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.
I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
IF YOU GO TO YOUR LAST ACTUALLY, YEAH, I THINK IT'S YOUR LAST SLIDE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT REBATEMENTS, THE NUMBER, THERE YOU GO.
YOU MENTIONED WITH THE ADDITIONAL STAFF, YOU SEE THAT INCREASING THIS ONE AND THE CORRESPONDING TOTAL RETURN IN DOLLARS, CORRECT?
>> YES, I WOULD HOPE SO. LIKE I SAID, OUR ONLY OTHER OPTION IS WHEN WE LET ME JUST GO BACK A LITTLE BIT.
WHEN WE DO THIS TYPE OF ABATEMENT, WE SEND THE BILL TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
ON THAT BILL, WE BASICALLY PASS ON THE COST OF THE CONTRACTOR AND THEN WE TAP ON THE $250 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.
WE GIVE THEM 30 DAYS TO PAY THAT BILL.
IF WE DON'T RECEIVE PAYMENT BY THE END OF 30 DAYS, THEN AT THAT POINT WE FILE A LIEN.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO PAY IS THAT WE TELL THEM THAT WE'D BE WILLING TO WAIVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE IF THEY JUST PAY THE COST THAT WE PAID TO GET IT DONE.
SOMETIMES THAT'S WORKED FOR US.
>> THOSE NUMBERS REFLECT THAT?
>> ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL? THANK YOU, SIR.
>> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM E2,
[2. Discuss potential ordinance amendments to Chapter 3 "Building Regulations" and Chapter 11 "Zoning Ordinance" of the Sachse Code of Ordinance.]
DISCUSS POTENTIAL ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 3 BUILDING REGULATIONS AND CHAPTER 11 ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE SACHSE CODE OF ORDINANCES, MS. MATCH.>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, FROM TIME-TO-TIME, WE BRING BACK ORDINANCES TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN WE FIND THAT THERE ARE ISSUES, CONCERNS RAISED, ETC, AND THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS JUST ONE OF THOSE.
AS MATT HAS GONE THROUGH THE SIGN ORDINANCE SINCE HE HAS BEEN HERE, WE'VE HAD ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP OVER THE YEARS THAT WE THOUGHT, OKAY, THESE ARE PROBABLY THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH REWORK AND MAYBE EVEN SOME POLICY DISCUSSIONS.
WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE LISTED WITHIN THIS TONIGHT AND REALLY MATT'S DONE A GOOD JOB PUTTING TOGETHER THIS PRESENTATION WHERE HE WILL TALK ABOUT EACH DIFFERENT SECTION AND GET SOME FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ON EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS. SO STAFF CAN MOVE FORWARD ON MAKING APPROPRIATE CHANGES OR NOT, DEPENDING ON DIRECTION TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
>> HELLO. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR.
COUNCIL. AS MENTIONED BY MS. NASH, I'M HERE TO DISCUSS EVERYONE'S FAVORITE TOPIC, SIGNS.
I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS FOR YOU TONIGHT.
SO SPECIFICALLY, BEFORE ANY UPDATE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THREE POTENTIAL AREAS TO UPDATE THE SIGN REGULATIONS.
THESE INCLUDE CLEANUP OF WORDING AND FORMATTING FOR THE EASE OF USE, RELOCATION OF THE SIGN REGULATIONS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THEN SPECIFIC REGULATION AMENDMENTS FOR ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS.
ANYTIME WE LOOK AT UPDATING ANY OF OUR ORDINANCES, WE ALWAYS EXAMINE OUR COMPARATOR CITIES TO SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING IT.
SEE IF THERE'S COMPARISONS OR IF THEY'RE DOING IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO WHAT HOW WE REGULATE SIGNS.
THE FIRST ITEM IS CLEAN UP AND FORMATTING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR OFTEN IN THE DEVELOPING SERVICES DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS PERMITTING SIGNS
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IS SIMPLIFYING THE PROCESS IN THE SENSE OF RIGHT NOW, THE ORDINANCE.IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH LISTING OF THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS, HAVING A CHART, AND THEN ANOTHER CHART, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A SINGLE-USE CHART, AND THEN A SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION LISTED FOR EACH SIGN IN EACH DISTRICT.
TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, THIS WOULD BE INCLUDING CLEANING UP LANGUAGE AND DEFINITIONS THAT WE HAVE SOME DEFINITIONS THAT COMPETE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
ONCE AGAIN, WE WANT TO MAKE IT EASY TO USE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
THE SECOND COMPONENT IS RELOCATION OF THE SIGN REGULATIONS FROM CHAPTER 3, BUILDING REGULATIONS TO CHAPTER 11, ZONING.
THIS GOES ALONG WITH THE EASE OF USE, BUT ALSO PROVIDES FOR A ONE-STOP SHOP.
ANYBODY LOOKING THROUGH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, THEY CAN ALSO FIND THE SIGN REGULATIONS FOR EACH OF THOSE PARTICULAR DISTRICTS.
IN ADDITION, ANY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REQUESTS, THIS WOULD ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR REQUESTS FOR SIGN AMENDMENTS OR SIGN CHANGES WITH ANY PD REQUEST.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO GET ANOTHER WALMART OR HEB OR ONE OF THOSE THINGS AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT SIGN PACKAGE.
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD ASK FOR WITH A REZONING REQUEST.
THEN LASTLY, THIS WOULD JUST BE A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
THE LAST ITEM IS RELATED TO REGULATION AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS NEW OR EXISTING SIGN CODE.
STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS.
THOSE INCLUDE CHANGEABLE ELECTRONIC VARIABLE MESSAGE SIGNS, POLITICAL SIGNS, BILLBOARDS, MURALS, AND ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS.
I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE AND THEN PRIOR TO A STOPPING POINT TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE CHANGEABLE ELECTRONIC VARIABLE MESSAGE SIGNS.
THESE ARE TYPICALLY YOUR LED OR LIGHT UP SIGNS THAT SCROLL OR CHANGE THE SIGN MESSAGE.
THIS CAN BE A VARIETY OF SIZES, VARIETY OF INTENSITY, VARIETY OF LIGHTING STANDARDS.
SOME OF THE CONSIDERATION POINTS WITH THESE IS THE LIGHT INTENSITY.
WHETHER YOU WANT THE SIGNS TO FLASH OR SCROLL.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU WANT THE FREQUENCY OF THE SIGNS TO CHANGE, THE NUMBER AND THE LOCATION OF THESE SIGNS, AND WHETHER IT SHOULD JUST BE A MONUMENT OR A ATTACHED SIGN THAT GOES ON THE BUILDING AS WELL.
IN LOOKING AT SOME OF OUR COMPARATIVE CITIES, A LOT OF THESE LIMIT THEM BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF THE NORMAL MONUMENT SIGN.
ALLOWED SQUARE FOOTAGE, [NOISE] THEY'RE LIMITED BASED ON SCROLLING DATE, TIME, AND TEMPERATURE, OR POTENTIALLY ALLOWING OTHER COMPONENTS.
SINGULAR COLOR OR MULTI-COLOR.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE EXAMPLE UP ABOVE.
THEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING OF THAT IS OF PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE TO THE COUNCIL.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK TO US FOR A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
AS WE LOOK AT THESE, ON THE LEFT, IS WHAT SACHSE ALLOWS VERSE OUR COMPARATOR CITIES.
ELECTRONIC VARIABLE MESSAGE SIGNS ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN CITY OF SACHSE.
THEY'RE REGULATED AS A JOKE, BUT IT ISN'T A SIGN.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED AS A WALL SIGN.
WE LIMIT THE TRANSITION OR DISPLAY TIMES, AND WE DO NOT ALLOW FOR CHANGING COLORS.
OF NOTE, THOUGH WE DO HAVE A COUPLE CHANGEABLE ELECTRONIC VARIABLE MESSAGE SIGNS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE RECEIVED VARIANCES IN THE PAST.
IT'S NOT A SIMPLE THIS ONE MEETS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES.
[NOISE] THEN, AS MENTIONED, OUR COMPARATOR CITIES NEVERTHELESS ALLOWED SOME FORM OF ELECTRONIC SIGN, MOST LIMITED TO A PERCENTAGE OF THE NORMAL MONUMENT SIGN.
MOST DO NOT ALLOW FOR AN ATTACHED WALL SIGN.
THEN DEPENDING ON THE CITY, IT ALLOWS FOR ANIMATION OR MOVEMENT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S USUALLY ONE OF THE MORE CONTROVERSIAL ELEMENTS TO THESE TYPE OF SIGNS.
BUT WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION OR DIRECTION ON THESE TYPE OF SIGNAGE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. ROBINSON. AS MR. ROBINSON ADMITS AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE IT IN SECTIONS.
THIS Q&A, IF YOU WILL, WILL BE ON CHANGEABLE ELECTRONIC AND VARIABLE MESSAGE SIGNS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF ON THIS? MR. PRESIDENT?
>> HEY MARK, ON SLIDE 8, JUST THE CEVMS.
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[LAUGHTER] ONE OF THE THINGS THE BULLET POINT SAYS NO ADVERTISING A BUSINESS THAT IS NOT ON THE PROPERTY OF DATE, TIME, OR DATE, TIME AND TEMPERATURE.THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THE FIREWALL MALL UP THERE.
THAT BIG SIGN THAT THEY HAVE THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE, THEY HAVE GISD TYPE ADVERTISEMENTS THEMSELVES.
>> CORRECT. USING THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE JUST FOR THAT SPECIFIC BUSINESS.
>> IN THE FUTURE IF WE, AND I HAD NO IDEA, BUT JUST IF WE WANTED TO PUT A SIGN IN SACHSE SAYING WELCOME TO SACHSE AND DISPLAY ALL OF OUR FUN THINGS.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A BUSINESS, OR DOES THE CITY OF SACHSE OVERRIDE A BUSINESS TYPE ENVIRONMENT?
>> BUT THIS WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER ALLOW OR DISALLOW EITHER FOR A GOVERNMENT ENTITY OR SCHOOL DISTRICT, FOR EXAMPLE, TO DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES OR IF YOU WANTED IT TO ALLOW IT FOR ALL BUSINESSES.
IT'S REALLY UP TO THE COUNCIL HOW YOU GUYS WOULD FEEL ABOUT THAT.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS BUT THANK YOU.
>> I WAS DRIVING THE OTHER NIGHT AND I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT YOU COULD LIMIT THE LIGHT INTENSITY, BUT I DID DRIVE BY A SIGN THAT WAS VERY DISTRACTING, CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IF, HOW THAT'S MEASURED.
BUT I'M SURE THERE'S SOME VARIABLE THAT CAN BE MEASURED.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT, SOMETHING OF THAT ON THERE.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF LIMITING IT FOR TIME AND TEMPERATURE ONLY.
IF A PRIVATE BUSINESS IS GOING TO PUT UP MAKING INVESTMENT OF A SIGN, THEY'RE GOING TO ADVERTISE THE TIME OF TEMPERATURE ONLY, DOESN'T FLY WITH ME.
OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE ONLY BIG THINGS I SEE.
IN YOUR SLIDE 7 YOU HAVE THAT IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT, YOU HAVE THAT BIG MOVIE SCREEN THERE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE CALLING AN ATTACHED
>> THAT'S ACTUALLY STILL A WALL MONUMENT SIGN.
IT'S JUST EXTREMELY LARGE, RIGHT.
>> SO WHAT IS AN ATTACH ELECTRONIC WALL SIGN?
>> SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE IT'S PHYSICALLY ON THE BUILDING ITSELF VERSUS JUST HAVING ONE ON.
>> IT DIDN'T QUALIFY [LAUGHTER].
>> I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY A SEPARATE PIECE.
>> YES THAT WOULD BE A WALL SIGN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I THOUGHT I SAW IT ON TO YOU. OKAY.
>> I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT EITHER.
>> THAT WAS MY QUESTION, AS WELL AS WHAT AS A WALL SIGN, BUT I WAS THINKING LIKE MOVIE THEATER OR THAT THING.
I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE ON-PREMISE ADVERTISING, THE BUSINESS NAME, BUT SELLING ADVERTISING THIS OUTSIDE BUSINESSES, I THINK IT'S MUCH CLEANER WE KEEP IT BUSINESS NAME.
I THINK THEY COULD PROBABLY ADVERTISE A FEW MORE THINGS ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS THAN JUST THE TIME, DATE AND TEMPERATURE, BUT NOT SELLING THAT SPACE TO BE A WALKING.
>> I AGREE WITH CONSELLER LIZY ON THE SITE SPECIFIC NEEDS TO NOT TO DIRECT TRAFFIC, NO ANIMATION, WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE TIME PERIOD IS THAT THING AND THEN IT CHANGES SO THE NEXT THING, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE, [NOISE] IT'S YOU'RE GOING TO READ IN THE SIGN INSTEAD OF WATCHING THE ROAD.
>> THAT HAD MOTION [OVERLAPPING].
>> CHANGE LIKE EVERY 15 SECONDS OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
I'M NOT MARRIED TO THE NUMBER AND NOT ON WALLS BUT MONUMENT SCIENCE. I THINK THAT'S IT.
>> MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS. LET'S REGARD MR. NELSON.
>> THERE'S ALL KINDS OF INTERPRETATIONS OF WHAT THE SIGN IS AND GO BACK TO THE NEXT SLIDE YOU HAD THERE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO A SIZE OF THE SIGN AND SIZES ONE THING I CAN BE OVERBEARING BECOMES A BILLBOARD OR IT CAN BE SO SMALL, YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
[NOISE] IT'S GOT TO BE FUNCTIONAL, BUT I THINK ANY COMPANY THAT SPENDING MONEY TO DEVELOP A SIGN FOR MARKETING [NOISE] PURPOSES SHOULD SPEND ENOUGH TIME TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING TO GIVE THEM A BEST BANG FOR THEIR BUCK.
I HATE TO SEE US GET OVERREGULATED IN IT FROM TEXTS AS AN EXAMPLE, IN THIS CASE, A GAS GRILL AND OUTDOOR KITCHENS.
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU HAVE A SIZE OF A SIGN.
WHAT IS THE SIGN? THE WHAT IS IN THE BLACK OR IS IT
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THE ENTIRE FRAME AND STRUCTURE AND ALL IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE.RIGHT THERE YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, SO I THINK THOSE DISCUSSIONS NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT SIGNS OF USABLE SCIENCE.
I THINK IN ESSENCE, THIS IS OUR CITY SIGN, LEGAL BY OUR OWN CODE RIGHT NOW.
WHO PUT IT UP AND WHO WHO APPROVED IT? [LAUGHTER] WHAT I'M SAYING, WE GOT TO LOOK AT THAT.
ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE OF A CHANGEABLE ELECTRONICS SCIENTISTS WANTED TO SACK THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AT THE SPEED LIMIT GOING DOWN THE STREET, LEGAL SPEED LIMIT.
YOU CAN'T READ THIS SIGH IT'S TOO SMALL, IT CHANGES TOO QUICK AND SO IT'S A NONFUNCTIONAL SIGN AS SOMEBODY WHO SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON IT.
BUT HE'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO SEE, SO I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REALLY BEGIN TO LOOK AT IT.
DO YOU WANT TO REGULATE THESE AND DICTATE WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO? OR SAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY, MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR MONEY'S WORTH AND LET THEM FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY WISELY OR ARE DICTATING HOW THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY.
>> ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY WITH THE COUNCIL IS THIS WOULD NOT IMPACT ANY OF THE EXISTING SIGNS ALREADY OUT THERE, SO THOSE WOULD STILL ALLOWED TO BE GLAD TO CONTINUE OPERATING AS THEY ARE IT JUST BEFORE ANY NEW SIGNAGE OR IF THAT SIGN WAS REMOVED AND THEN THEY WANTED TO PUT A NEW ONE UP?
>> YEAH LEGAL RIGHT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS TIME I WANT TO TALK ABOUT [OVERLAPPING] MATT, WE ALREADY HAVE LIMITATIONS ON OUR MONUMENT SIGN, SO THE 50% OF THE NORMAL MONUMENTS AND NOTHING IS APPROPRIATE.
>> YEAH, I WAS JUST SAYING ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS WE HAVE THE REGULATIONS AS FAR AS SIZE, HOW BIG, HOW LARGE THEY CAN BE BASED ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT FACTORS, SO I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN HERE.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY PROPOSAL CHANGE THAT.
BUT I THINK MR. MILLS, BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT IN THE SENSE THAT WHATEVER CHANGES WE DO OR DON'T MAKE WOULD FIT IN WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK, CORRECT?
>> NO, THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED.
>> WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PROPOSE ANY SIZE INCREASE FOR EXISTING MONUMENT SIGNS.
THIS WOULD JUST BE THE DRESS, THE ELECTRONIC ELECTRONIC PORTION OF IT.
>> IN THE MOMENT THE COMMENT IS I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF A ALLOWING WALL SIGN, MONUMENT SIGN IS OKAY.
>> THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, SO NO ADVERTISING ON BUSINESSES IS NOT ON THE PROPERTY SO WHERE I'M SAYING THAT IT'S LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, CHURCHES, SCHOOLS THINK IN A PARTICULAR BUSINESS FURTHER SPONSORSHIP OR SAYING TO GO SIGN UP FOR BASEBALL ASSOCIATION FOR EXAMPLE.
I MEAN, THAT'S TECHNICALLY A SEPARATE BUSINESS THAT'S NOT ON THAT PROPERTY SO IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO BE PUT IN, I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE'S SOME EXCEPTION FOR SCHOOLS OR NON PROFITS.
THE SIGNAGE COMB, SOME WORK IN FANCIER AND FANCIER WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE.
I THINK IF WE REWIND MY 20 YEARS TO WHERE IT'S BASICALLY 64 PIXEL BY 480 PIXEL AND EACH OF THE BULBS ARE PRETTY GOOD SIZE.
I WOULD BE, LET'S LIMIT THE COLORS, BUT WE LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, LIKE THE TV DISPLAYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT CAN BE USED OUTSIDE.
I'D HATE TO SEE THE WOMEN OF COLOR, SO I'D HOPE THAT SOMEBODY CAN PUT A NICE COLOR ADVERTISEMENTS, JUST LIKE THE ONE THAT'S SHOWN ON THERE.
IT DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE NOT TO BE TOO BRIGHT HOPEFULLY TO CHANGE AND I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE DOING THAT NOW ANYWAY, BUT IF IT'S VERY BRIGHT OUTSIDE AND IT'S GOING TO BE BRIGHTER AND AS IT GETS DARKER, IT DIMS DOWN.
LET'S SEE, I GUESS IT'S SEXY VERSUS COMPARATOR CITIES SLIDE.
NOT ALLOWED US TO ATTACH ELECTRONIC MAIL SIGN I'M FINE WITH WALL SIGN.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE MIXED ON THAT ONE.
DOES NOT LIMIT THE TRANSITION ON DISPLAYED OR DISPLAY TIME.
I'M THINKING IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING SLIGHTLY, THEY ARE LIKE EMOTION, SEXY BASEBALL ASSOCIATION STROBES EXAMPLE.
YOU'VE GOT A KID HITTING A BASEBALL, I'D HATE TO LIMIT THE MOVEMENT OF A BAT SWING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT MESSAGES COME UP, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU HOW YOU REGULATE THAT PROBABLY I THINK TO MR. MILLSAP IS LET'S NOT DO ANYTHING TO OVERREGULATED, TO PREVENT SOME NEAT LITTLE MOVEMENT OR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DISTRACTING IT JUST ADDS CARRIER TO THIS.
I'D HATE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT LIMITED.
I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO THROW TIME AND TEMPERATURE ON ANY SIGNS.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE WHY ANY CITY LIMITS THAT EVERYBODY HAS GOT THE CELL PHONE NOW THAT THAT'S TELLING THEM THAT.
BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT IT UP, GREAT,
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BUT I'D HATE TO SEE A SCIENTIST LIMITED TO THAT.THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT THROUGH ON THE SLIDE THERE. THANK YOU.
I UNDERSTAND WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THEM, BUT IN REALITY, IF YOU HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY BY THE DESIGN AND THERE'S CODE RESTRICTIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A BUILDING AND YOU HAVE PARKING.
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF OTHER SPACE TO PUT ASIDE.
I HATE TO SEE US PROHIBIT A BUSINESS.
I'M HAVING A MARKETING TOOL BY NOT ALLOWING A WALL MOUNTED SIGN IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
ALSO, ANOTHER CASE IS WHAT CONSTITUTES A SIGN? I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY ADDRESSED THAT AND LET ME GIVE YOU A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION.
OBVIOUSLY, HOME OCCUPATION, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A SIGN IN YOUR YARD, A BOND OR WHATEVER, BUT SITUATIONAL.
IN ONE OF OUR PUBLIC RESIDENTIAL AREAS, STREETS, FAIRY TRAVEL, THERE USED TO BE A BUSINESS OR I'M JUST GIVING SOME INFORMATION HYPOTHETICAL.
WHAT ABOUT A COMPANY CALLED 5508 PHOTOGRAPHY? AND THE ADDRESS IS 5508, SO AND SO STREET.
WELL, PART OF THE IDEA IDEAS PUT 5508 OUT THERE AS THEIR STREET ADDRESS, A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIMITING ITS NUMBERS ON HOW BIG THAT NUMBER CAN BE UP TO A REASONABLE AMOUNT, AND THEY DON'T PUT PHOTOGRAPHY, SO IT HAS NO NAME ON IT, IS THAT A SIGN? WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED, AND I'M NOT SURE NOW IS THE TIME TO ADDRESS THEM, BUT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE THAT HAPPEN.
>> I WOULD TAKE THIS MOMENT TO REMIND THAT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE OPENING DISCUSSION OF THIS, AND ALL THESE POINTS SO THERE'S A WALL SIGN, WHAT'S THE SIGN ON.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WHEN THIS COMES BACK AFTER WE TELL THE STAFF OUT ON THE SACHSE, THEN THESE ARE ALL FAIR GAME, PUT IT LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
ARE WE GOOD ON THE ELECTRO AND MISSING SIGNS? BECAUSE IF WE ARE AND WE GOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
>> THE NEXT ONE I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS IS POLITICAL SIGNS.
THIS WILL ADDRESS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PUBLIC PROPERTY.
ONCE AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT OUR COMPARATOR CITIES.
I KNOW WE'VE RECEIVED FEEDBACK RELATED TO SOME OF THE POLITICAL SIGNS, THE NUMBER, AND SOME OF THE LOCATION OF THE POLITICAL SIGNS.
THIS SLIDE IS BASICALLY OUR COMPARATOR CITIES PROHIBIT THE FOLLOWING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
ILLUMINATION, MOVING PARTS, PLACEMENT, AND RIGHT AWAY, AND PLACEMENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND THEN PLACEMENT WITHIN 15 FEET OF A STOP SIGN, HEIGHT GREATER THAN EIGHT FEET, SIGN AREA GREATER THAN 36 SQUARE FEET.
THEN LOOKING AT IT ON A PUBLIC SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE CITY FACILITIES AND WHATNOT, LIMITING TO ONLY BEING ALLOWED AT CITY-OWNED PROPERTY DESIGNATED AS A POLLING PLACE.
IN OUR MOST RECENT ELECTION, THAT WOULD BE CITY HALL OVER THERE BY THE [NOISE] MICHAEL J. FELIX COMMUNITY CENTER, AS OPPOSED TO [NOISE] PARKS, THE FIRE STATION, ETC.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE PERMITTING 24 HOURS BEFORE, DURING, AND 24 HOURS AFTER THE VOTING PERIOD.
LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS PER CANDIDATE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 16 SQUARE FEET.
THIS ALSO WE'LL GET INTO TEMPORARY STRUCTURES ALLOWED BEFORE AND OPENING OF A POLLING PLACE.
THE PLACEMENT OR PROHIBITING OF ALL SIGNS IN PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, AND THE ABILITY FOR CITY STAFF TO REMOVE AND DISPOSE OF ANY SIGNS PLACED ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, OR WITHIN RIGHTS-OF-WAY IN VIOLATION OF PUBLIC POTENTIAL ORDINANCE.
THESE TWO THINGS ARE WHAT STAFF WAS LOOKING AT.
WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION AND OR QUESTIONS.
>> I KNOW MATT, THE ONE THAT I'LL SAY IS, I KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT.
IN THE PAST, WE'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE SIGNS BEING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, I.E., PARKS, UTILITY EASEMENTS, [NOISE] THINGS LIKE PUBLIC UTILITIES AND SO.
>> WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS CAMPAIGN.
>> IF SOME FORM OF THIS WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AND THAT WOULD GOING FORWARD WOULD BE PROHIBITED.
>> JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. QUESTIONS FOR MR. ROBINSON ON POLITICAL SIGNS? MR. MILLSAP.
>> JUST AS A POINT OF INFORMATION LIKE IT SAYS, LIMITED FOUR ELECTIONEERING SIGNS PER CANDIDATE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S PER LOCATION.
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>> WELL, AS EXAMPLE HERE AT THE CITY, OUR OWN COMPLEX, WE HAVE AN ENTRANCE AT THE POLICE STATION, WE HAVE AN ENTRANCE AT THE SENIOR CITIZENS, WE HAVE AN ENTRANCE BEHIND SENIOR CITIZENS, AND WE HAVE AN ENTRANCE HERE IN FRONT OF CITY HALL, [NOISE] THAT WOULD BE OUR FOUR ELECTRONIC SIGNS RIGHT THERE.
BUT THEN YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE IN FRONT OF THE POLLING PLACE, EITHER FRONT DOOR TO OUR COMPLEX OR OVER TO THE RECREATION CENTER.
FOUR MAYBE IN SOME CASES, IT'S FOR A REAL GOOD NUMBER.
NOW, ANOTHER CASE IF YOU WERE WONDERING ALL THE INTERESTS, IS WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY COME IN TO FIND A PARKING SPOT TO GO VOTE, THEN YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO VOTE.
GOD LOOK AT HOW MANY SIGNS WE HAD LAST ELECTIONEERING, WAS 15 AT EVERY ENTRANCE.
>> YOU'RE NOT SAYING IT'S A GOOD THING, ARE YOU? [LAUGHTER]
>> I'M SAYING FOUR MAY NOT BE A GOOD, SOLID NUMBER IN SOME CASES.
JUST HAD TO PICK AND CHOOSE, FIT TO FOUR FAVORITE SPOTS AND FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE, I THINK I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON HERE THAT'S UNREASONABLE, AND SOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY ADDRESS. LOOKS GOOD TO ME.
>> I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA TO SET SOME FRAMEWORK SO EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE, AND SO WE HAVE GUIDELINES.
I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MILLSAP, I THINK FOUR IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT SMALL OF A NUMBER TOO BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO POLLING LOCATIONS HERE, WE HAVE FOUR ENTRANCES, AND I ALSO THINK THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE WHOEVER CAN SPEND THE MOST ON THE BIGGEST SIGN WILL GET THE GOOD ADVERTISEMENT.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE WHO CAN BUY THE GIANT SIGNS BE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO RUN, AND SHOW THEIR COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO SERVE IN THEIR GOVERNMENT.
THERE'S LIMITED WAYS AS SOMEONE WHO RAN AND PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW WHO I WAS, SOMETIMES SIGNS OR THE ONLY WAY TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU'RE RUNNING.
I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM TRYING TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS, SO I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE LIMITS, BUT I THINK FOUR IS TOO SMALL.
>> THE POLITICAL SIGNS ORDINANCE, I THINK IS STILL THE THING THAT CONFUSES ME THE MOST.
[LAUGHTER] I JUST HAVE ALWAYS FELT LIKE YOU'RE WALKING ON EGGSHELLS OR YOU SEE SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT, OH, IT MUST BE OKAY.
ANYWAY, I'M GLAD WE'RE ADDRESSING THIS STUFF, BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO I'M READING, AND THIS MAYBE A QUESTION FOR ATTORNEY, BUT I'M READING THE TEXAS STATUTE, SECTION 259.003 AND ITS REGULATION IN POLITICAL SIGNS BY MUNICIPALITY.
BASICALLY, JUST SKIPPING A FEW SECTIONS HERE THOUGH, BUT IT SAYS MUNICIPAL CHART PROVISION ORDINANCE CANNOT DO THESE FOLLOWING THINGS.
PROHIBIT THE SIGN FROM BEING PLACED, SOUNDS REASONABLE [NOISE] ON APARTMENT, GREAT.
RESTRICT THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, WHENEVER I GET THERE TO RESTRICT THE SIZE OF SIGN, I'M READING STATE LAW AND SAYS, AS LONG AS I GOT THE CONSENT OF A PROPERTY OWNER, THE CITY CANNOT RESTRICT THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, IS THAT TRUE?
>> THAT'S CORRECT, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, CORRECT.
>> WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE THEN WOULD BE.
[OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE IT WASN'T ALWAYS THAT WAY.
>> IT WASN'T ALWAYS THAT WAY. WE USED TO BE ABLE TO, YEARS AGO, LIMIT WHAT THE SIZE WAS EVEN ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THAT NO LONGER EXISTS.
>> SIGN AREA GREATER THAN 36 SQUARE FEET IS IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAW.
WE COULD NOT ADD THAT PROVISION ON THE SCREEN THEN, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> CHECK BY LOOKING AT THAT, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT DOES STILL STATE THAT IT CAN'T BE A 36 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT THE MAX IS STILL.
>> THAT'S A CRAZY SIZE FOR A SIGN, BUT I'M GOING TO REINSTATE LAW AND JUST IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT THE CITY CANNOT RESTRICT THE SIZE OF A SIGN.
>> WE'RE TALKING HERE, BUT I THINK IF YOU KEEP READING SOMEWHERE IN THAT SECTION THAT DOES PUT THAT 36 SQUARE FEET LIMITATION.
>> WE CAN CLARIFY IT, THAT'S GOOD.
I'LL JUST CUT THAT QUESTION THEN.
LET'S SEE, AND THEN BACK ON THE PUBLIC PROPERTY ONE, THAT'S THE LIMITING, FOUR SIGNS PER CANDIDATE FOR POLLING LOCATION.
I'M GOOD WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, THANKS.
>> A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
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WE HAVE TWO POLLING LOCATIONS HERE, SO IF MY MATH IS RIGHT, YOU CAN DO EIGHT.SOMEONE TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACHES. WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE THIS?
>> THIS WOULD BE CITY STAFF GUY.
>> CITY STAFF CAN GO OUT THERE AND TAKE THE COMMISSIONERS SIGNS OUT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE COMMISSIONER AND THEIR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SIGNS UP, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE STATE REPRESENTATIVE SIGNS UP.
I MEAN, MISS MATCH WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.
>> HERE'S HOW WE CURRENTLY ADDRESS IT.
WHEN WE HAVE SIGNS [NOISE] THAT ARE IN VIOLATION, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO CONTACT THEIR PERSON, WHO THEY HAVE TO LIST THEIR PHONE NUMBER ON THAT SIGN, THEIR TREASURER, AND SO WE CONTACT THEM AND SAY, HEY, YOU'VE GOT TO SIGN THIS IN VIOLATION, COULD YOU PLEASE COME AND MOVE IT, CHANGE WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO, AND GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO CALL CANDIDATES AND ASK THEM TO DO THAT AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
EITHER IT'S CODE OR SOMETIMES THE CITY SECRETARY HAS DONE IT AS WELL.
>> IF WE CAN ENFORCE IT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT IF WE CAN'T ENFORCE THIS WHOLE FOR NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THAT, THERE'S NO PURPOSE OF DOING ANY OF THIS TO ME.
IN THE PAST, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.
I HAVE SEEN OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL HERE 400 TIMES FROM THE SAME PERSON, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT CHANGES AND THEY'RE THERE, AS THIS SAYS, PERMITTED TO 24 HOURS BEFORE, DURING AND 24 HOURS AFTER THE VOTING PERIOD, THERE ARE SIX WEEKS TWO MONTHS BEFORE VOTING DAY.
SO IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THAT, THERE'S NO PURPOSE OF DOING THIS.
BUT IF WE ARE ABLE TO ENFORCE THIS WITHOUT UPSETTING THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE MONEY, SO TO SPEAK, THEN, GREAT.
BUT I JUST [OVERLAPPING] I'M WORRIED IF WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THIS.
>> MAYOR PRO TEM, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY ENFORCE IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT YOU ALL WANT TO GO.
BUT IF YOU DON'T I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE CAN ENFORCE WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU ALL WANT TO PUT INTO ORDINANCE.
>> JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, THE 24 HOURS BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CURRENTLY.
I MEAN, SO WHAT SIX WEEKS BEFORE?
>> STATE LAWS, THE GUIDELINE RIGHT NOW.
>> NO, I KNOW, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST HERE IS ALLOWED TO SIX WEEKS.
>> OKAY, BUT THEY'RE OUT BEFORE STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN PUT THEM OUT AND WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING [OVERLAPPING] IN MY OPINION.
>> NO. I KNOW YOUR FUNNY ENFORCEMENT ANGLE, [INAUDIBLE].
>> DON'T QUOTE ME ON DATES OR DAYS.
>> I'M ALONG WITH MAYOR PRO TEM THEREOF, IF WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT THEN WE DON'T NEED A PLAN HERE, BUT THE FOUR SIGNS, I THINK WE'RE IN THE [INAUDIBLE].
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING I HAD.
FOUR OR FIVE, YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT? I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE DOUBLE POLLING.
>> YOU'RE REALLY GETTING EIGHT YEARS [LAUGHTER] MR. LINDSEY.
>> YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A FAMOUS QUOTE SEVERAL YEARS AGO ABOUT READING THE REST OF THE PAGE, SO I SCROLL DOWN [INAUDIBLE] AND SURE ENOUGH, I SAW SUBSECTION B DOES NOT APPLY TO ASSIGN THEM AS THE EFFECTIVE AREA GREATER THAN 36 FEET.
ANYWAY, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THAT THE STATE LAW IS ALLOWING MUNICIPALITIES TO DO THESE FOUR THINGS.
IF WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE THIS, I'M DEFINITELY FOR THE EFFECT OF AREA NOT GREATER THAN 36 FEET IS MORE THAN EIGHT FEET HIGH OR SO ILLUMINATOR HAS ANY MOVING PARTS.
THOSE ARE AREAS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE IF WE DON'T ALREADY.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WE SAVE SOME BILLABLE HOUR.
>> PROHIBIT ALL SIGNS IN THE PUBLIC ROW.
I TRIED TO FIND WHAT THIS MEANT WHEN I WAS RUNNING AND IT WAS.
>> I APOLOGIZE, IT'S ONE OF OUR ACRONYMS RIGHT OF WAY, SO ANYTHING WITHIN THE STREET ITSELF.
>> OKAY, SO ALL PUBLIC STREETS [OVERLAPPING] LIKE A DIMENSION, LIKE JUST NOWHERE IN THIS.
>> THERE IS A DIMENSION FOR EACH OF THE PUBLIC STREETS.
WHERE WE'VE SEEN THESE BEFORE IS RIGHT THERE AT THE ENTRANCES OF DRIVES OR ALONG THE MEDIANS.
THE MEDIAN IS BEING PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN TECHNICALLY THE ENTRY DRIVE IS ALSO PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO YOU USUALLY HAVE YOUR SIDEWALK AND YOUR LANDSCAPED AREA FOR A COUPLE OF FEET AND THEN IT GOES ON TO PRIVATE PROPERTY.
>> I THINK JUST FOR EASE OF USE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WE MIGHT GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH OF HOW WE EXPLAIN THAT SO EVERYONE.
>> YEAH. I THINK MATT DID, THE GENERAL TERM.
HE TALKED ABOUT, ONE FOOT OFF THE SIDEWALK IF THERE IS A SIDEWALK, IF THERE'S NOT A SIDEWALK.
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SOMETIMES YOU WOULD HAVE A UTILITY POLE THAT WOULD [INAUDIBLE] TELL YOU WHERE THE EDGE IS, SO YEAH.>> THE DETAILING IN YOUR ORDINANCE MANY MUNICIPALITIES OR RATHER ELECTION SEASON WILL PUT OUT THIS LIKE EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL, WHETHER THAT'S ONLINE OR GIVE IT TO THE CANDIDATES OF EXPLAINING EXACTLY WHAT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY AND AS FAR OF WHAT THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND JUST A QUICK LITTLE EASY CHEAT SHEET FOR THEM.
>> I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT IF WE DO MAKE SOME CHANGES EVENTUALLY, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COUNTY WOULD DO AND SURE HE DOES NOW, AS YOU DO GIVE US AN INFORMATIONAL PACKET PRIOR TO THE SECTIONS, IS WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH SIGNS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.
>> OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE ON POLITICAL SIGNS.
MATT HAS SOME MORE SIGNS STUFF FOR US.
>> THIS NEXT ONE IS REALLY EASY, BILLBOARDS.
ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING A SCENIC CITY APPLICATION FOR THE SACHSE, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT BILLBOARDS ARE STRICTLY PROHIBITED AND SPECIFICALLY STATED IN OUR ORDINANCE.
WE DO NOT CURRENTLY ALLOW BILLBOARDS, HOWEVER, WE DO NOT SPECIFICALLY STATE IT THAT BILLBOARD IS NOT ALLOWED, SO THIS WOULD BE A QUICK CHANGE FOR THAT ONE.
>> BILLBOARDS. THIS IS MY FAVORITE THING TO BEGIN TO MISMATCH.
WE HAVE THEM. ARE THEY GOING TO BE ALLOWED FOREVER IF THEY ARE UP ALREADY?
>> [OVERLAPPING] BASICALLY, YES. [LAUGHTER].
>> TILL THAT WINDSTORM COMES THROUGH.
>> EVEN IN A RAILROAD BASEMENT THAT IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE BUILT IN, BUT THERE'S A BILLBOARD?
>> THE RAILROAD IS ALL-POWERFUL.
[LAUGHTER] BY THE WAY, YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO ASK THAT QUESTION SO MR. LINDSEY?
>> [LAUGHTER] LINE SLIP, COUNCILMAN, THE [INAUDIBLE] ON WHAT ACTUALLY DEFINES A BILLBOARD.
IS THERE A WRITTEN DEFINITION AND HOW TRULY DOES IT DIFFER FROM A SIGN BEING UP AT THE HIGH SCHOOL TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> THERE IS A SPECIFIC DEFINITION FOR IT.
USUALLY BILLBOARDS ARE OFF PREMISE SIGNAGE, WHICH WE DO NOT ALLOW.
THEN TWO, WE ONLY ALLOW MONUMENT SIGNS UP TO A CERTAIN SIZE.
THESE ALL GREATLY EXCEED THAT.
THE WAY THAT THEY'RE POSTED, THAT'S ANOTHER WAY THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY ALLOW THEM.
THERE'S A VARIETY OF THINGS ABOUT THE WORDS THAT WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY ALLOW.
WE JUST DON'T SPECIFICALLY STATE IT IN THE SIGN CODE THAT BILLBOARDS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
>> YEAH, I'D DEFINITELY LOVE TO SEE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATED. THANK YOU.
>> I'LL GO ALONG WITH COURT COUNCILMAN LINDSEY SAYS.
BY DEFINITION WHAT WE HAVE APPROACHING HERE, A POLITICAL SIGN CAN'T BE BIGGER THAN 36 SQUARE FEET, BUT WORK IS ANY OTHER SIGN, IS IT HOT TO LIMIT ON A SIGN AS OPPOSED TO A BILLBOARD? IS A BILLBOARD ANYTHING BIGGER THAN 36 SQUARE FEET? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS, WELL, WHAT REALLY IS AND IF YOU DON'T IDENTIFY.
>> WE HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR EACH TYPE OF THE SIGNS, SO BILLBOARD IS SPECIFICALLY DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH SIGN, THAT IS REGULATED AND CURRENTLY IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
THIS WILL JUST SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT BILLBOARDS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE BASICALLY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU JUST GET RID OF ANY AMBIGUITY THAT THERE [OVERLAPPING] MIGHT TRY TO LATCH ONTO IT.
>> IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE. USER WANT TO USE IS NOT PERMISSIBLE. IT'S NOT ADDRESSED.
I'M SORRY, WHEN A USE IS NOT ADDRESSED, IT IS NOT A PERMITTED USE.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE WITH THE PLAN FOR THE SCENIC CITY OR WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
WHAT YOU NEED IS TO SHOW US WHERE IT SAYS IT'S NOT ALLOWED, SO WELL, THAT'S NORMAL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ZONING CODES, IF THE USE IS NOT DEFINED, YOU'LL EITHER GO TO A USE THAT'S MOST SIMILAR TO IT AND YOU CAN FOLLOW THOSE REGULATION, BUT THERE'S NOTHING SIMILAR TO BILLBOARD.
IT'S NOT DEFINED, IT'S NOT ALLOWED, THEY PREFER THAT WE SAY IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
>> AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE IT SOME AMBIGUITY.
ANYTHING ELSE ON BILLBOARDS? OKAY, CARRY ON THEN.
>> THE NEXT ONE IS EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE TOPIC, MURALS.
AS PRESENTED, I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, SACHSE SIGN CODE DOES NOT ADDRESS WHERE MURALS ARE ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED.
THE ONLY REGULATION ON MURALS CURRENTLY IS, MURALS CANNOT DISPLAY OR CONNOTE A COMMERCIAL MESSAGE WITHOUT ABIDING BY THE SIGN REGULATIONS AS FOUND WITHIN THE CODE.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU GUYS RECENTLY ACTED ON A VARIANCE FOR THE CHASE OAKS MURAL.
WHAT STAFF IS DOING TONIGHT IS PROPOSING A STANDARD FOR MURALS.
THERE WOULD NOT BE DEFINED AS A SIGN PER SE, BUT WE WOULD PERMIT THEM IN THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT AND THE PGBT COMMERCIAL AREAS ONLY.
LIMITED TO ONE EXTERIOR SURFACE.
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A MAXIMUM OF 75% OF A FACADE, CANNOT BE ON ANY FENCE BUILDING OR A PORTION OF BUILDING USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES.THIS WOULD INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY.
WOULD NOT INCLUDE ANY COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS, ADVERTISING ANY TYPE OF GOODS OR SERVICES, AND THEN PROVIDING A MAINTENANCE CRITERIA TO REPAIR OR REPAINT WITHIN 60 DAYS OF NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP TO THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
>> WE HAVE A COUPLE. MR. LINDSEY.
>> YEAH, MAYOR. WHAT'S THE THINKING ON THE 75% OF THE FACADE? REMIND ME ON CHASE X, IT SEEMED TO GO THE FULL FACADE.
>> WHAT'S THE THINKING? WHY NOT GO AHEAD AND USE AND BRING IN ALL THE ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING INTO MURAL PRIMARILY?
>> PART OF THAT IS SOMEHOW PERSPECTIVE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE EVOLVED BIOLOGICS BUILDING, IF THAT HAS A 200 FOOT LONG LENGTH, TRY TO LIMIT IT.
SOME ENTIRE FRONTAGE IS NOT TAKEN UP WITH A MURAL TO GIVE SOME PROPORTIONS OF THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING AN ENTIRE MURAL FOR THE ENTIRE FACADE.
>> OKAY. COULD SOMEBODY STILL APPLY FOR VARIANCE?
>> JUST SO HAPPENS IN SUNDAY I SAW DALLAS PAPER, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT SCIENCE AND HERE IT IS.
IT SAYS, AND VERY SIMPLE, LIFT THE SOUL, LIFT THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE ALL DOING SO MANY THINGS ABOUT LIFTING OUR COMMUNITY I THINK A MURAL IS A WORK OF ART PERSONALLY AS DESIGN SHOULD BE.
I UNDERSTAND WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THEM, BUT I THINK THAT'S A STATEMENT AND SOME PEOPLE WERE APPREHENSIVE ABOUT THE MURAL THAT CITY COUNCIL JUST PASSED AWHILE BACK AND WAS PUT UP HERE IN TOWN AND I'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT SINCE IT WAS DONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WHAT I WANT TO SEE IS MURALS BE LISTED SEPARATELY FROM SIGNS AND THEY BE LIMITED TO WHERE THEY NEED TO HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, ON THEIR OWN ART FORM AND THEIR FUNCTION FOR DOING THAT.
NOW, AS FAR AS ON THE VINCI'S, IF YOU GO ON HIGHWAY 66, JUST WEST EAST OF LBJ OR THE BUSH TOLL ROAD.
YOU SEE THAT RETAINER WALL THERE IS A QUARTER OF A MILE MURAL, AND YOU SEE THAT IN DALLAS AND IT'S A STATEMENT.
IF IT'S DESIGNED AND APPROVED, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, I WOULDN'T MIND.
WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR DESTINATIONS.
BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING A COMMUNITY OF SOCIAL ENGINEERED PROJECTS AS OUR DESTINATION, I WOULD BE ASSUMED TO SEE A CITY OF MURALS AS A DESTINATION YOU GO TO SOME OF THE OLD TOWNS AND YOU STILL SEE A LOT OF MURALS THERE.
WE WOULD CALL THEM ADVERTISING NOW.
COCA-COLA ONTO A WALL, NEHI SODA POP ON THE WALL, CAMEL HOT PATCH'S ON A WALL, FOLGERS COFFEE ON THE WALL.
THOSE WERE MURALS AT THOSE TIMES.
THEY WERE ADVERTISING, YES, BUT THE SAME THING IS SAY YOU'RE SHOWING EXAMPLES OF THEM, OTHER THAN NOT A WORD ON IT, THEY BECOME ADVERTISING AND MARKETING.
BUT ANYWAY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT MURALS SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE CITY COUNCIL DISCRETION ON A ONE-ON-ONE BASIS.
>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, FRANK, YOU BROUGHT THE FAVORITE, THAT MEANS YOU STILL GET THE PAPER COPY EVERY MORNING? NOT THE ELECTRONIC VERSION.
>> I READ THE PAPER EVERY SUNDAY MORNING.
>> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. MS. SALARY?
I WOULD LIKE SUPPOSE A MINUTE THE MAXIMUM OF A 75% OF THE FACADE TO SPECIFICALLY ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE CHASE OAKS, WHERE IT'S THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S 100% OF THAT SIDE, LIKE THE FACADE INCLUDES MAYBE ONLY 75% OF THE FRONT, BUT THAT YOU ALLOW AN END TO BE COVERED AT 100% OR HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU DEFINE THAT.
BUT WHATEVER THE CRITERIA WOULD BE TO ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE CHASE OAKS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A VERY EFFECTIVE USE OF THE END OF THAT BUILDING, EVEN IF IT COVERS ALL OF IT AND MAKING THEM CUT IT BACK OR WE WOULDN'T MAKE THEM DO IT.
BUT HAVING SOMEONE ELSE NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE WHOLE END [OVERLAPPING]
>> WOULD YOU PREFER THAT THEY ALLOW THE WHOLE THING AND THAT'S A STAFF APPROVAL? OR THAT DO A MAX IS 75, AND THEY CAN COME TO COUNCIL FOR THE FULL PERCENTAGE.
>> I'D LIKE IT JUST TO BE IN THE CRITERIA AND IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIED.
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YOU CAN'T DO THE 75% OF THE WHOLE FRONT.YOU CAN ONLY GET PART OF THAT, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH WHAT CHASE OAKS DID [LAUGHTER]
>> ACTUALLY, THAT'S A NO MATCH.
>> I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF THAT WERE THE FRONT DOOR AND IT WAS THE ONLY THING YOU SAW OF A HUGE BIOLOGICS, THAT'S A LITTLE INSANE.
BUT SHORT OF THAT, THERE'S A LOT.
I LOVE MURALS, SO THEY'RE FINE.
AS TO HAVING CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THEM, I THINK WE OPEN OURSELVES UP TO SOME LEGAL ISSUES.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO MENTION IN YOUR DISCUSSION.
ONE THING YOU WANT TO ADDRESS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, MILLSAP, BRINGS UP IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL OBVIOUSLY WOULD SHOW WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROPOSE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE THAT OR P&Z OR BOARD OF SOME SORT.
THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING MURALS BASED ON THE MESSAGE, BECAUSE THAT MESSAGE COULD BE A PROTECTED MESSAGE.
YOU MAY JUST NOT LIKE IT AND YOU DENY IT, BUT THEN YOU ALLOW SOMEBODY ELSE.
YOU MAY WANT TO THINK OF, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE MAKING THAT DECISION, YOU'RE FOLLOWING THAT STRICT CRITERIA AND YOU'RE NOT BASING IT ON WHAT MESSAGE IS IF THAT IS A PROTECTED MESSAGE OR YOU GIVE THAT TO STAFF AND ALLOW STAFF MEETS THE CRITERIA THAT I WAS GOING TO BE PERMISSIBLE.
IT ONLY COMES TO YOU FOR THOSE VARIANTS TYPES IF IT'S ON THE SIZE OR SO FORTH.
THEN WE CAN WRITE INTO THE VARIANCE THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
IT WOULDN'T BE A TRUE HARDSHIP VARIANTS OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT WOULD MORE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE STRUCTURE OF THE COMMUNITY, HOW IT FITS INTO THE COMMUNITY, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO BE 100% VERSUS 75%.
>> WELL, UNTIL THAT POINT, IF WE LEFT THE 75% IN THERE, IF THEY WANT TO DO 100%, THEY WOULDN'T COME TO US.
>> BUT TO STAY AWAY FROM YOUR OTHER PAIN POINTS YOU MENTIONED IS THAT THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS THE SIZE AND WE'RE OKAY THERE, IF THAT'S THE ONLY VARIANCE WE'RE ASKING FOR.
>> WHAT IS THIS THOUGHT BEHIND NOT DOING THE SIDE OF COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL.
JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OTHER CITIES DO, I'M PARTICULARLY THINKING ABOUT THE PART WE HAVE SOME, HOW DO I SAY THIS KINDLY? [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER] YES.
WE HAVE IN A MULTI-FAMILY RIGHT OFF A FIFTH STREET THAT IS SOME , I WANT TO SAY ROUGH SHAPE.
THE SIDE OF IT IS NOT AS ATTRACTIVE AS IT COULD BE.
WHICH I PERSONALLY THINK WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR A MURAL WHERE YOU WANT THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO DO THAT OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I WOULD HATE TO DISALLOW IT, WON'T BE AN EXCELLENT PLACE TO ACTUALLY HAVE ONE, BUT IT SOLVES A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS FOR US AND COULD PROVIDE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY CAN LOOK OUT FROM ACROSS THE STREET.
>> WE COULD OPEN IT UP TO JUST MULTI-FAMILY AND NOT ALLOW IT FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY STRUCTURES, IF THAT'S PREFERRED.
>> AS LONG AS WE'RE CONTAINING IT TO OLD TOWN AND PGVT, I THINK I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE A MULTI-FAMILY IN THERE.
I THINK THESE ARE GREAT GUIDELINES.
I THINK IT'S KNOWING THAT WE CAN'T APPROVE IT ON CONTENT AND THAT'S A REAL TRICKY ISSUE.
I THINK THIS IS GREAT AND PUTTING IN THERE, IT CAN'T CONTAIN COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS AND ALL THE OTHER GUIDELINES YOU'LL HAVE IN THERE, THAT'S FAIR TO EVERYONE.
>> CLOSE THE SLIDES. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IF THEY ASK ON MURALS.
WE GOT ONE MORE, GO AHEAD MATE.
>> TO WRAP IT UP. THE LAST ONE IS EV CHARGERS.
STEPH HAS GOTTEN SOME INQUIRIES RECENTLY RELATED TO EV CHARGERS.
THESE COME IN A VARIETY OF SHAPES AND SIZES.
ONE OF THESE THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY A COMPANY WAS THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE THE COCA-COLA RIGHT THERE, WHERE IT'S A LARGE BASICALLY DIGITAL SIGN THAT ALSO SERVES TO LIKE ELECTRONIC VEHICLE CHARGING.
FOR THIS ONE, WE JUST WANTED TO GET COUNSELS FEEDBACK ON THIS ONE, WHETHER TO REGULATE THESE CONTINUALLY AS A MONUMENT SIGN AND/OR MAKE EV CHARGERS EXEMPT FROM THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS PROVIDED IT'S UNDER A CERTAIN SIZE.
THE ONES WHERE IT'S JUST A MINOR SCREEN, JUST LIKE A GAS STATION WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN REALLY SEE THOSE FROM FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY.
>> I THINK THAT THE ONES I'M FAMILIAR WITH ARE THE ONES THERE ON THE RIGHT.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF BUY SPROUTS I PAINT ON BY COLES AND WILEY AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REGULATE THOSE AS MONUMENTS SIGNS AS ALONG THERE.
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THOSE ARE PROBABLY MORE THAN 2.25 SQUARE FEET.>> YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU REGULATE THE SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT OUT ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE AT LEAST FOR I'VE SEEN THEM THEY'RE UP IN FRONT OF HER SHOPPING BUILDING.
THEN WHETHER THEY HAVE A SIGN ON THEM OR ADVERTISING ON I THINK IS FINE.
>> FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A VARIANCE REQUEST AT ONE POINT, BUT THEY HAVE NOT COME BACK TO US.
THERE WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, I THINK, AID OF THESE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS.
BASICALLY THE SAME SIZES AS COCA-COLA COPY ONE.
AND THE REQUEST WAS GOING TO BE A VARIANCE BECAUSE OF-
>> SIZE AND THAT THESE ARE ALL BASICALLY ELECTRONIC CHANGEABLE COPY SIGNS.
THERE WAS EIGHT OF THEM. THEY'RE ALL ALONG THE ROADWAY.
>> ON THE ROADWAY. I GENERALLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THOSE BECAUSE WHEN THEY GO INTO COMMERCIAL SPACES, THAT'S PART OF HOW THAT STORE IS PAYING FOR THEM TO BE THERE.
THAT'S WHAT THE BUSINESS WANTS TO DO. I'M NOT THAT WORRIED.
>> I STILL HEAR OPTION 2 AS WELL.
>> YES, OPTION 2, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE LIMITED TO 2.25 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S NOT THE STANDARD OF WHAT'S BEING SOLD.
>> WE CAN HAVE TO ADDRESS IT. YEAH. I'M WITH THE OPTION 2 MAYBE THEY NEED TO INCREASE THAT A LITTLE. MR. MILLER SAID.
>> I'M GOING TO ASK I GUESS MAYBE OFF SUBJECT A LITTLE BIT, BUT REGULAR SERVICE STATIONS, YOU HAVE A SPACE FOR THE PUMP AND OPTION.
THERE ARE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPACE REQUIRED FOR CARS AND WAITING.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR LIMITING SPACE HERE FOR VEHICLE IN WAITING TO GET CHARGED FOR VISUAL AND TAKE 30 MINUTES OR 45 MINUTES AND SHOULD FOR FIVE-MINUTES.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WITH THIS PROPOSED CHARGING STATION AREAS.
>> THIS WOULD ONLY ADDRESS THE SIGN ORDINANCE COMPONENT OF IT AS FAR AS Q SPACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THROUGH OUR PARKING AND TRAFFIC REGULATIONS.
THIS WOULD ONLY ADDRESS THE SIGN COMPONENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. MR. LINT?
>> YEAH. I'M SORRY IF YOU IF YOU DID MENTION I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT GAS STATIONS IN YOUR PRESENTATION BUT WASN'T SURE WAS PLAYING TOO.
BUT I KNOW I'VE BEEN IN SOME PLACES.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING RECENTLY.
BUT WHILE YOU'RE PUMPING GAS OR IS A LITTLE TV SCREEN IS UP ABOVE THE PUMPS ON THERE, SO ARE REGULATED BY A SIGN ORDINANCE AS WELL?
>> SOME CITIES REGULATE THOSE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH OPTION 2 HERE.
THE SMALLER SCREENS THAT ARE REALLY ONLY VISIBLE BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUMPING THE GAS.
THOSE BE EXEMPT FROM THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS AS OPPOSED TO THE LARGER ONES WHICH YOU CAN SEE FROM A DISTANCE.
THAT'S WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT THE TWO OPTIONS FOR THIS ONE.
>> DID THESE SCREENS, ARE THEY ALSO TYPICALLY THE USER INTERFACE TO PUT YOUR CREDIT CARD IN AND SELECT ALL THE OPTIONS THAT YOU'RE CHOOSING, OR ARE THEY USUALLY SEPARATE DISPLAY?
>> THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS THEY DO IT.
SOME HAVE THE SCREENS ON ONE SIDE THAT JUST ADVERTISE CONSTANTLY.
THE OTHER SIDE IS THE ONE WHERE YOU PUNCH IN YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OR LOGIN AND DO IT THAT WAY.
SOME HAVE SCREENS ON BOTH SIDES WHERE YOU'RE YOU'RE LOGGING IN OR PAYING FOR THE SERVICE.
THEN THEY WILL CHANGE WHEN IT'S NOT IN USE.
THERE'S A WHOLE NUMBER OF THESE.
IT'S HARD TO ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT CHARGING COMPANIES THAT HAVE DIFFERENT DESIGNS ON THESE.
>> YEAH. IT SOUNDS LIKE I THINK I'M FOR OF OPTION 2 THOUGH, BUT JUST TO THROW IT OUT THERE, JUST TO CLARIFY AS I'M FOR ANYTHING THAT HAS SOME USER INTERACTIVE SCREEN WHERE WHENEVER I'M USING IT, AND THEN IT'S CHARGING, IT'S GIVING ME AN ADVERTISEMENT.
THEN ALSO THEY USED TO HAVE A NAME FOR THE MONTH, FORGOT WHAT WHAT THEY CALL IT THE BARKER CHANNEL. GOING WAY BACK THOUGH.
BUT IT'S LIKE, WHEN NOBODY IS THERE, IT'S FLASHING THINGS UP TO TRY TO GET YOUR ATTENTION NOT TO COME UP THERE.
I'M FINE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T LIKE THE PREMISE OF HAVING A SCREEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE USER'S NOT SEEING THAT'S JUST A DAY OR TWO TO TRY TO UTILIZE THE SPACE THAT THEY HAVE JUST FOR ADVERTISING.
THAT'S CLEAR, FOR SOMETHING THAT IS ENGAGING TO THE USER ON THERE AND NOBODY ELSE.
>> WHAT IS STEPH'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS?
>> STEPH WAS LOOKING AT OPTION 2, JUST FROM A STANDPOINT OF YOU HAVEN'T UNDER A CERTAIN SIZE, LET IT BE EXEMPT AND NOT GET INTO THE SIGN ORDINANCE WHERE WE'RE PERMITTING SPECIFIC SCIENCE FOR THIS.
THEN IF IT GOES OVER A CERTAIN SIZE,
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I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS IT.BECAUSE IT DEPENDING ON THE PLACEMENT OF THESE, [NOISE] MUST BE REGULATED WHERE THESE WERE LOCATED ON A SITE.
THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE DISTRACTING.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGEABLE ELECTRONIC COPY SIGNS.
THESE ARE CHANGING EVERY FIVE SECONDS AND FLASHING AND COCA-COLA OR WHATEVER IT IS, THAT CAN BE DISTRACTING TO DRIVERS.
>> POTENTIALLY EIGHT OF THEM IN BUILDING THAT ALLOW ONE WALL SIGN ON.
>> YEAH. I'M I'M ON BOARD WITH OPTION 2.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS DO WE HAVE REGULATING THE SIGN OR JUST DO WE HAVE AN EV REGULATION, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN SOMETHING WE HAVE IN OUR GROUP SO YOU KNOW.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITING EV CHARTERS.
ALL THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IS A ELECTRICAL PERMITS AND POTENTIALLY, REGULAR CONTRACTORS PERMIT TO INSTALL EITHER FEED.
>> YEAH, I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THAT [LAUGHTER] AS TO WHERE THEY GO, BUT OPTION 2 SOUNDS GREAT.
>> THERE'LL BE FOR ANOTHER DAY. MR. NELSON.
>> [NOISE] OPTION 2 SOUNDS FINE WITH ME EXCEPT I THINK WE NEED TO, ALLOW ME TO ASK A QUESTION, MAKE EV CHARGERS EXEMPT FROM SIGN PERMIT IF THE SCREEN STAYS UNDER 2.2 SQUARE FEET.
IF AND NORMALLY WE'RE IMPLIES AN OPTION.
IF THE SIGN IS 2.2 SQUARE FEET OR SMALLER, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY EXEMPT, I'M ASSUMING.
BUT ALSO THIS IMPLIES THAT DESIGN MAYBE BIGGER.
IF IT IS BIGGER THAN IT IS AT AUTOMATICALLY GO UNDER THE SIGN ORDINATES.
>> OR IS GOING TO BE AN OPTION.
>> IN THIS INSTANCE, IT WOULD BE EXEMPTED SIGN PERMIT IF IT WAS BELOW 2.25 SQUARE FEET.
ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO PURSUE A VARIANCE OF SOME SORT TO ALLOW IT.
>> AGAIN. [OVERLAPPING] WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WE CAN CHANGE THAT NUMBER. MS. [INAUDIBLE].
>> I HEARING THE DISCUSSION, I CHANGED MY MIND A LITTLE BIT, KEEP IT AT 2.25.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE THE BIG BLINKY ONE'S NOT GOING TO BE ON THE ROAD.
THEY CAN APPLY FOR VARIANCE AND WE CAN TELL THEM TO STICK THEM ON THE SIDE BETWEEN BETWEEN THE WALMART AND THE STRIPMALL AND YOU CAN STICK THEM IN THERE.
>> THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU'LL HAVE THE CHANCE TO CHANGE YOUR MIND AGAIN.
>> I CAN CHANGE MY MIND AGAIN. I CHANGE MY MIND AS MANY TIMES AS I WANT.
>> AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS FOR MATTER ON EV CHARGERS OR FOR THAT MATTER, ANY SIGN WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
ANYBODY OUT IT'S LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS? I SEE NONE. JUST HAD ONE LAST SIDE.
>> OH, I'M SORRY. DID I MISS ONE? [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE CONCLUSION FOR THE-.
>> WELL, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT SLIDE ANYWAY.
>> WITH THE DIRECTION COUNSEL HAS PROVIDED, WE WILL CRAFT THE ORDINANCE, THE CHANGES, AND BE BACK HERE LOOKING LIKE JANUARY 2024 PROCEED COUNSEL.
BUT GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN DECEMBER WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
THEY WILL PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNSEL AT THAT POINT IN TIME AS WELL.
SO THEY'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO COME OUT FOR P&Z OR CITY COUNSEL WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
>> I WOULD ASK MS. NASH, ARE YOU CLEAR AS MUD ON WHAT WE DID TONIGHT? [INAUDIBLE]
>> YES, SIR, I AM. I THINK THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT STEPH MAY STILL WANT TO WORK THROUGH AND COME BACK TO YOU ALL JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
YES. I THINK WE'RE GENERALLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
>> I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE OUR COUNSEL IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, OF COURSE, EMAIL, PHONE CALLS WORK TOO?
>> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, I DON'T KNOW, F, ADJOURNMENT. THE TIME IS? GRANGER?
>> WE ARE ADJOURNED TO 08:13 P.M.
[NOISE].
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