>> IN THE CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF SACHSE, [1. Call to Order: The Planning and Zoning Commission of the City of Sachse will hold a regular meeting on Monday, August 26, 2024, at 6:00 PM to consider the following items of business:] [00:00:03] WILL HOLD A REGULAR MEETING ON MONDAY, 26TH, 2024 AT 6:00 PM TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING ITEMS OF BUSINESS. ITEM 2 BE THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. COMMISSIONER KEMPER IS GOING TO LEAD OUR INVOCATION AND COX OUR PLEDGES. THANK YOU, JIM. NEXT IS THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD REGARDING ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY ON THE AGENDA. THE TIME LIMIT IS THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE ACTING SECRETARY PRIOR TO THE MEETING. ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE BOARD IS PROHIBITED FROM DISCUSSING ANY ITEM NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS UNDER ADVISEMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? NO. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM 4. CONSIDER APPROVING THE JUNE 24TH, 2024 MEETING MINUTES. [4. Consider approving the June 24, 2024, meeting minutes.] HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? ANY CHANGES, CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS? GOOD. TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. >> MINUTES PRESENTED. >> COMMISSIONER CAMP FOR MOTIONS TO APPROVE. I HAVE A SECOND. >> I SECOND. >> A SECOND.COMMISSIONER COMPS. SHALL VOTE. I CAME UP FAST THAT TIME. ALL PASSED. ITEM 5, [5. Conduct a public hearing to consider and act on a request to amend the existing gas station Special Use Permit, SUP 23-01, to revise the boundary, site, building layout, and add two additional gas pumps, generally located north of President George Bush Turnpike and east of Merritt Road, within Sachse city limits.] CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ACT ON A REQUEST TO AMEND THE EXISTING GAS STATION SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SUB 23-01 TO REVISE THE BOUNDARY SITE BUILDING LAYOUT AND ADD TWO ADDITIONAL GAS PUMPS, GENERALLY LOCATED NORTH OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE AND EAST OF MERRITT ROAD WITHIN SACHSE CITY LIMITS. STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS IS THAT WE POSTPONE THIS UNTIL OUR SEPTEMBER 9TH, SO WE WILL REVIEW THIS ITEM ON OUR MEETING AT SEPTEMBER 9TH. ITEM 6, RECEIVE AN INTRODUCTION TO REVIEW, [6. Receive an introduction to, review, and provide direction on Land Use Assumptions; Capital Improvement Plan; and Water, Wastewater, and Roadway Impact Fees.] AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND WATER, WASTEWATER, AND ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. >> COMMISSION, WE HAVE COREY NESBIT, THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING HERE TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM. I BELIEVE HE'S GOING TO INTRODUCE A CONSULTANT WHO'S GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION OVER THE IMPACT FEE UPDATE. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSERS, COURT ESB. DIRECTOR PUBLIC WORKS. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF, ACTUALLY IT'S NOT A BRIEF. IT'S PRETTY INTENSIVE SLIDE SHOW HERE ABOUT OUR LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND SHOW YOU THE METHODOLOGY OF HOW WE COME UP WITH IMPACT FEES. WITH ME TONIGHT, IS BROOK OFF HENDRIX CARTER, AND THEN ALSO ENGINEERING FOR THE ROADWAY PORTION OF THAT. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO THEM HERE IN A MINUTE AND LET THEM GO THROUGH THE MEAT POTATOES OF THIS, BUT ON AUGUST 19TH, COUNCIL AWARDED OR APPOINTED YOU GUYS AS THE CONSIDERED THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AGAIN, THEY'VE CHARGED YOU AND MATT AND MYSELF WITH PROVIDING THEM A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT THE IMPACT FEE SHOULD BE. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DERICK CHENEY AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION REAL QUICK. [00:05:06] >> GOOD EVENING, AS COREY SAID, I'M DERICK CHENEY WITH BIRKHOFF HENDRIX AND CARTER, AND WE'VE HANDLED THE CITY'S ANALYSIS TO UPDATE THEIR WASTEWATER AND ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. OUR FIRM HANDLED THE WASTEWATER COMPONENT, AND THEN JODY SHORT WITH LEE ENGINEERING, RIGHT HERE, HANDLED THE ROADWAY COMPONENT. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL A BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT IS PRETTY BRIEF. IT CAN GET PRETTY INTENSE. IMPACT FEE 101. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHY ARE WE HERE? THE PURPOSE OF IMPACT FEES IS TO GIVE YOUR CITY A MECHANISM TO PAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO YOUR WATER WASTE WATER ROADWAY SYSTEMS THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO GROWTH IN THE CITY. NEW HOUSE COMES IN, GOT TO BUILD A NEW WATER LINE. THEY PAY FOR THEIR SHARE OF THAT COST. THAT'S THE BASIC PREMISE. IT IS A PRETTY TIGHTLY GOVERNED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. THERE'S RULES IN PLACE THAT DEFINE HOW YOU ADOPT AN IMPACT FEE, HOW YOU UPDATE AN IMPACT FEE, AND IN THIS CASE, THE CITY ALREADY HAS IMPACT FEES, SO IT'S AN UPDATE, SO IT'S A LESS INTENSIVE PROCESS. AS I SAID, SINCE YOU'D ALREADY HAVE IMPACT FEES ADOPTED, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY YOUR FIVE YEAR UPDATE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REQUIRES. THE THREE COMPONENTS ARE TO REVIEW YOUR LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND DEVELOP AN UPDATED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED TO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT GROWTH OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS IS INCLUDED IN THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THEN ULTIMATELY, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN UPDATED IMPACT FEE. WHY ARE YOU HERE? YOU'VE BEEN APPOINTED, AS IS ALMOST ALWAYS THE CASE, P&Z MEETS THE CRITERIA THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REQUIRES FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YOUR ROLE HERE IS TO LET US TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND REVIEW THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT I'M ABOUT TO PRESENT AND THE IMPACT FEE RATES THAT WE HAVE CALCULATED. AT THE END OF ALL THAT, AND THIS COMES SOMETIME LATER, BUT YOU WILL BE TASKED WITH WRITING A RECOMMENDATION LETTER FOR THE COUNSEL'S CONSIDERATION ON WHAT TO DO. WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS OF THE INFORMATION YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH? WE CAN HELP PREPARE A TEMPLATE FOR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IT'S PRETTY STANDARD FORM. TYPES OF IMPACT FEES. THERE IS THREE DIFFERENT TYPES. THEY'RE ALL SEPARATE. YOU GOT WATER. YOU HAVE WASTEWATER, AND YOU HAVE ROADWAY. ON THE WATER WASTEWATER SIDE, IT IS BASED ON NEW WATER METERS THAT GO INTO THE SYSTEM. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY A TERM THAT'S IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IS LAND USE EQUIVALENT. THAT BASICALLY MEANS THE EQUIVALENT OF ONE UNIT OF LIVING THAT COMES INTO THE CITY. TYPICALLY, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. THEN THERE'S VARIOUS FACTORS THAT ALLOW YOU TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT TO, SAY, A REALLY A BIG DEVELOPMENT, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAVE A LARGE WATER METER. THERE'S TABLES THAT SAY, OKAY, A FIVE INCH METER IS EQUIVALENT TO A FIVE EIGHTH INCH METER, WHICH IS YOUR STANDARD RESIDENTIAL METER, AND ALLOWS YOU TO CALCULATE WHAT THEIR FEE WOULD BE FOR A LARGER DEVELOPMENT. TYPICALLY, YOU'RE ON BOTH SIDES, WATER AND WASTEWATER AND ROADWAY, YOU ACTUALLY SEE IT COME IN, AND WHEN DOES THAT FEE GET ASSESSED? TYPICALLY IT'S AT THE TIME OF THE BUILDING PERMIT ISSUANCE ON BOTH SIDES. SOMETIMES ON WATER AND WASTEWATER, IT IS WHEN THEY CONNECT TO THE SYSTEM. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS A PROTOCOL SET UP FOR. PART 1, LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS IS THE FIRST COMPONENT. WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES IS THAT WE LOOK AT LAND USES OVER THE NEXT 10 YEAR PERIOD. IN THIS CASE, THE CITY HAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS SHOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT. [00:10:09] WHAT WE'VE DONE IS AN EVALUATION OF WHAT IS THE EXISTING POPULATION AT CURRENT TIME, AND TAKEN A LOOK AT WHAT'S LEFT, WHAT'S VACANT IN THE CITY. LARGELY, IT'S ALONG THE GEORGE BUSH CORRIDOR, WHICH ALSO HAPPENS TO BE A SOMEWHAT POTENTIALLY DENSE CORRIDOR OR LARGER USERS. WE'VE COME UP WITH THE POPULATION AT YOUR BUILD OUT, AND WE DO FIND THAT AT THE 10 YEAR HORIZON, YOU WILL REACH BUILD OUT, AND THAT'S BASED ON A GROWTH RATE OF 1.4% COMPOUND ANNUAL GROWTH. WHICH IS RELATIVELY LOW TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA OTHER CITIES, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON 3, 4% GROWTH RIGHT NOW. THINGS ARE MOVING AND SO THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE CAME UP WITH WITH INPUT FROM CITY STAFF IS THAT AT 10 YEARS, YOU WILL REACH THAT FULL BUILD OUT CAPACITY. THE VACANT LAND WILL BE OCCUPIED. NEXT STEP IS BASED ON THOSE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, THE NEW GROWTH THAT COMES IN, WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED IN YOUR SYSTEM. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT EXERCISE AS WELL, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE MAPS HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDES. BUT WE ALSO INCLUDE, WHICH IS, AGAIN, ALLOWABLE BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, IS YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY BUILT IMPROVEMENTS IN YOUR SYSTEM OVER TIME THAT STILL HAVE CAPACITY LEFT. THEY STILL HAVE CAPACITY REMAINING TO HELP SUPPORT THE NEW GROWTH. YOU'RE ALSO ABLE TO CAPTURE A RELATIVELY SMALLER COMPONENT, BUT THERE IS A COMPONENT THERE THAT YOU GET TO CONSIDER IN THE IMPACT FEE CALCULATION. FOR ELIGIBLE PROJECT COST, IT TYPICALLY IS GOING TO INCLUDE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, THE COST OF LAND RIGHTS ACQUISITION FOR NEW RIGHT OF WAY OR NEW EASEMENTS, AND ENGINEERING AND OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, AND ALSO A DEBT SERVICE RATE, WHICH WE'VE ASSUMED AT 4%. IN A NUTSHELL, AT THE END, YOUR IMPACT FEE CALCULATION IS THE UTILIZED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COST. HOW MUCH COST IS ASSOCIATED WITH A NEW DEVELOPMENT DIVIDED BY HOW MANY NEW UNITS OF GROWTH COME INTO THE SYSTEM. THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CALCULATE THIS NUMBER, AND THEN THERE'S THE MOST COMMON OPTION IS TO TAKE THAT NUMBER AND CUT IT IN HALF. WE'RE ALREADY CALCULATING A NUMBER. THAT'S THE REAL NUMBER THAT WE THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, BUT THEN WE TAKE THAT AND DIVIDE IT BY TWO. I KNOW REALLY SMALL BUT HERE ON THE MAP, BASICALLY, YOUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN BLUE, AND THE PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN RED. THE COLORED BOX IN GREEN, THAT'S YOUR EXISTING ELEVATED TANK, WHICH WAS BUILT SEVERAL YEARS AGO. STILL HAS CAPACITY LEFT TO SUPPORT NEW GROWTH. THAT IS CONSIDERED A RECOVERY FACILITY. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GET TOO DEEP IN? THE COST OF THESE EXISTING AND PROPOSED FACILITIES. WE'VE COME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS FOR EXISTING FACILITIES, WE COORDINATED WITH THE CITY STAFF TO FIND OUT WHAT WERE THE ACTUAL COSTS. THOSE AREN'T MANUFACTURED NUMBERS. THOSE ARE TRUE COST FROM CONSTRUCTING THOSE FACILITIES. THEN FOR THE PROPOSED FACILITIES, WE CALCULATE THE COST OF THOSE EXISTING OR FUTURE WATER LINES AND WATER FACILITIES. THEN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO INCLUDE THE COST OF COMPLETING THIS ANALYSIS, THIS IMPACT THE ANALYSIS SO THAT'S THE LAST ITEM THERE. ON THE FAR RIGHT, THAT'S THE ACTUAL COST. YES, SIR. [00:15:01] >> [INAUDIBLE] >> I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW THE QUESTION. >> YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THE COST OF EXISTING WATER FACILITIES?. >> YES, SIR. >> YOU WILL GO BACK IN RECORDS ALL [INAUDIBLE] SPENT THIS YEAR SPENT THIS YEAR. HOW FAR BACK DO YOU GO? >> IT DEPENDS. IN THIS CASE, WE PROBABLY GO BACK AROUND 10 YEARS OR SO. THAT'S ALSO A FUNCTION OF WHETHER WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT THE COST PAID. RECORDS ARE ALWAYS [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. EASY TO EXTRACT. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, AROUND 10 YEARS IS PROBABLY THE THRESHOLD. >> THANK YOU. >> SURE. THE COLUMN ON THE FAR RIGHT HERE IS THE CALCULATED UTILIZED COST. THE MIDDLE COLUMN IS THE TRUE COST, THAT'S THE TOTAL COST. BUT THEN WE COME UP WITH THIS ACTUAL UTILIZED COST ON THE RIGHT. HERE IS THE CALCULATION. THE TOP NUMBER IN THE EQUATION IS HOW MUCH COST WAS UTILIZED OVER 10 YEARS, AND THE BOTTOM NUMBER IS THE NEW LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENCE. WE COME UP WITH THAT $8,400 NUMBER AND THEN CUT THAT IN HALF. THAT'S WHERE WE ARRIVE AT THE $427.17. >> THAT'S THE MAXIMUM. >> THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE. IT'S ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, IT'S VERY MUCH THE SAME. THE RED COLORED LINES AND FACILITIES ON THE MAP ARE YOUR PROPOSED WASTEWATER LINES THAT WILL BE COMING IN OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. THE GREEN COLORED LINES FACILITIES ARE THOSE THAT WERE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED AND STILL HAVE CAPACITY REMAINING TO BE UTILIZED. VERY SIMILAR CALCULATION TABLE TO THE WATER, WE COME UP WITH THE TOTAL PROJECT COST, AND THEN THE PORTION OF THAT COST THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED OVER THE 10 YEAR PLANNING PERIOD. AGAIN, JUST LIKE ON THE WATERSIDE, WE TAKE THE TOTAL ELIGIBLE UTILIZED COST AND DIVIDE THAT BY THE NEW LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENTS THAT COME IN OVER THE 10 YEAR PERIOD AND DIVIDE THAT BY TWO. NOW, I'LL BRING UP JODY SHORT WITH LEAD TO TALK ABOUT ROADWAY, AND I'LL COME BACK. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M JODY SHORT WITH LEE ENGINEERING. WE'LL SPEAK TO THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE SIDE OF THE STUDY. AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR TO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER. WE HAVE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS. WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. WE HAVE A MAP SHOWN THAT INCLUDE BOTH RECRUITMENT PROJECTS, THOSE ROADWAY FACILITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT, AND THOSE THAT REMAIN TO BE BUILT TO BUILD OUT YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. BECAUSE THE CITY IS GETTING CLOSE TO BUILD OUT AT 10 YEARS, WE EXPECT THE ROADWAY NETWORK WILL NEED TO BE BUILT OUT TO SUPPORT IT. WE TABULATED ALL OF THE PROJECTS, NEW ROADWAY CIP, TOTAL COST OF $54 MILLION. WE HAD THE RECOUPMENT PROJECTS, TOTAL OF $12 MILLION IN RECOUPMENT PROJECTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. LET'S SEE. LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS GOING OUT TO 2034. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET FIGURED OUT IF WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT BETWEEN WATER AND WASTEWATER AND ROADWAY. WE TOOK YOU TO 99% OF BUILDOUT. WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT, GO TO 100% ON BOTH OF THOSE. IT'S A CLERICAL THING THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WON'T MAKE ANY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE TO THE CALCULATIONS AND THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE'VE USED. [00:20:03] THE UNIT OF CONSUMPTION THAT WE USE IS A PM PEAK HOUR, VEHICLE MILE OF TRAVEL. THAT'S WHEN A ROADWAY NETWORK IS AT ITS PEAK UTILIZATION IS DURING THE PM PEAK HOUR, WHEN WE ALL EXPERIENCE THE ROADWAY CONGESTION, AND WE SEE LOTS OF, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DESIGNING OUR ROADWAY IS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT PEAK HOUR. THE VEHICLE MILE OF TRAVEL IS SOMETHING WE USE AS THE EQUIVALENCY BETWEEN ALL THE VARIOUS LAND USES. EVERY LAND USE HAS A TRIP GENERATION CHARACTERISTIC, HOW MANY TRIPS IT'LL GENERATE, AND THEN HOW LONG PEOPLE WILL DRIVE TO GET TO THAT LAND USE. WE GET TO THE VEHICLE MILES OF TRAVEL WITH THE TRIP GENERATION MANUALS, NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED SOURCE FOR DATA ON TRIP GENERATION. THEN A WORKPLACE TRAVEL SURVEY GIVES US INFORMATION ON TRIP LENGTHS WITH THE VARIOUS LAND USES. SHOULD PROBABLY MENTION THE LEGISLATION RELATED TO IMPACT FEES, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND THE WATER WASTEWATER. ROADWAYS HAVE TO BE COLLECTED AND SPENT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, AND THEY MUST BE THEY'RE LIMITED TO A SERVICE AREA, SO YOU HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF WHERE YOU COLLECT THE MONEY BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF SACHSE, WE HAVE ONE SERVICE AREA, SO ALL FEES CAN BE COLLECTED WITHIN THE CITY AND SPENT ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY. LET'S SEE. AS WE GO TO DO THE SERVICE UNITS, WE LOOK AT THE LAND USE PLAN, THE BUILDOUT ASSUMPTION THAT WE HAVE AND BUILD AN EQUIVALENT VEHICLE MILE OF TRAVEL FOR ALL THE LAND USES THAT WE EXPECT TO BE BUILT AS WE GET TOWARDS BUILDOUT. AS I SAID, VEHICLE MILES OF TRAVEL IS WHAT WE LOOK AT. WITH THE EXISTING LAND USES IN PLACE, WE HAVE 90,000 VEHICLE MILES OF TRAVEL THAT HAPPENED DURING THE PM PEAK HOUR TODAY. OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WE EXPECT TO ADD. NO, WE WILL HAVE 140,000, AND THEN ADD BUILD OUT 142,000. THE BOTTOM LINE THERE IS THAT 35% OF THE COST OF THE NEW FACILITIES BUILT, THE NEED FOR THEM IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO GROWTH. OF OUR TOTAL OF $67 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENTS, 35% OUT OF THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE FUNDING, $23 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO USE IMPACT FEES FOR. VERY SIMILAR TO THE WATER WASTEWATER. WE HAVE OUR BIG NUMBER, THE $23 MILLION. WE HAVE OUR 49,000 VEHICLE MILES OF TRAVEL. DO THE DIVISION. WE GET $472 PER VEHICLE MILE OF TRAVEL. WE CUT THAT IN HALF. THE STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN ONLY COLLECT HALF OF THE TOTAL FEE, AND WE GET THE $236 PER VEHICLE MILE OF TRAVEL. JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF HOW THIS APPLIES TO A LITTLE BIT OF REAL-WORLD THERE. WITH THE VEHICLE MILES ASSOCIATED WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE, IS 2.82 VEHICLE MILES OF TRAVEL. THAT COMES UP TO A FEE OF $665.52. FOR A SHOPPING CENTER, IT GENERATES MORE TRIPS. WE'VE PRESENTED THIS FEE IS $1708 PER THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OF SHOPPING CENTER. IT'S A 50,000-SQUARE-FOOT SHOPPING CENTER, MULTIPLY THAT NUMBER BY 50, AND THAT'S THE FEE THAT THE SHOPPING CENTER WOULD BE CHARGED WITH THE IMPACT FEE. YES, SIR. >> THE AMOUNT THAT YOU SHOWED HERE, IS IT FOR THE 10 YEAR PLAN, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO DIVIDE THAT INTO MONTHS? >> I'M SORRY. >> THE AMOUNT 665.5 PER DWELLING UNIT, HOW ARE YOU DWELLING FOR 10 YEARS? >> I MEAN, IT'S COLLECTED AT THE BUILDING PERMIT. IT'S A ONE TIME FEE. >> A ONE TIME FEE FOR ONE YEAR. >> NO, ONE HOUSE. YOU GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE HOUSE. THERE IS A FEE OF SIX. [OVERLAPPING]. >> FOR THE PERMIT. >> OKAY. GOT YOU. YES. >> YES, IF YOU WANT TO HANG OUT, WE'LL COVER THESE TOGETHER. WHAT WE DO AT THE END HERE IS WE HAVE THESE CALCULATED MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE FEES, [00:25:02] AND THEN WE SHOW THERE'S SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES OUT THERE. THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE ASSESSING RIGHT NOW. THE PROPOSED FEE FOR THIS UPDATE FOR SACHSE IS ON THE FAR LEFT. SO IT IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE COMPARISON CITIES. BUT I WILL CAUTION YOU THAT I'VE ADDED DATES ON THE TO THE CITY ON EACH OF THESE CURRENT ASSESSMENT RATES, AND WE ARE SEEING A PRETTY CONSISTENT UPTICK POST-COVID AS COSTS HAVE GONE UP, COST OF MATERIALS, COST OF LABOR, EVERYTHING HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. THIS CAN BE A BIT MISLEADING BECAUSE IT IS TYPICALLY A FIVE-YEAR CYCLE, JUST LIKE SACHSE. A LOT OF THESE OTHER CITIES ARE KIND OF GOING THROUGH THEIR UPDATES AS WELL, AND WE ARE SEEING CONSISTENT INCREASES. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU KEEP THAT IN MIND. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE WATER WASTEWATER COMPARISONS? >> I DO THAT. WITH THE COST THAT YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT FOR THE SERVICES, DOES THAT INCLUDE LABOR ESCALATION? YOU GUYS HAD SEVERAL YEARS BUILT OUT. IS THAT FACTORING IN SOME OF THOSE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THINGS ARE INCREASING. ARE YOU GUYS CONSIDERING THAT? >> THERE IS SOME I WOULD SAY, OUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE CONSERVATIVE. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A SET 3% ESCALATION RATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT PREVIOUS PROJECT COSTS, WHAT ARE THE COSTS NOW? AND WE APPLY RELATIVELY CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTIONS TO DEVELOP THE COSTS, WHICH HAS SOME OF THOSE THINGS EMBEDDED. >> MY OTHER QUESTION IS, A LOT OF THESE NEWER COMMUNITIES HAVE PIDS. HOW DO THOSE FUNDS FACTOR INTO SOME OF THIS? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF PIDS IS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY FOR THESE KINDS OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. >> I BELIEVE PID FUNDING IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY. I'M NOT 100% ON HOW THAT FOLDS INTO AN IMPACT FEE OR HOW THEY RELATE NECESSARILY. THAT'S SOMETHING I COULD DO SOME RESEARCH ON AND REPORT BACK. SPECIFICALLY, WHAT IS THE QUESTION? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS, SO I'M NEW TO A PID. I LIVE IN A PID HERE IN SACHSE. I LIVE IN THE STATION. ALL OF US ARE CHARGED A PRETTY HEFTY PID FOR 30 YEARS. THE WAY THEY'VE EXPLAINED IT TO US IS THAT THE SACHSE AND THE DEVELOPERS DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUILD OUT THAT WHOLE AREA, INCLUDING INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER RAILWAY, ALL OF THAT. WHY WOULD I VOTE THEN TO HAVE THAT BE BILLED TO US AGAIN THROUGH ANOTHER GUYS WHEN MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WAS ALREADY PART OF A PID. OBVIOUSLY, THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO ALL OF SACHSE, BUT I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS WHERE THOSE FUNDS GET SPENT. >> I'LL TAKE A SHOT AT THIS. S PART OF YOUR PID ASSESSMENT, YOU'VE ALREADY PAID THOSE IMPACT FEES WITH THE PID ASSESSMENT, WHEN THE DEVELOPER CAME IN FOR THE STATION, THERE'S ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO BUILD. WELL, OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY CAN'T COME IN AND BUILD ALL THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND ALL THAT. INSTEAD OF DEVELOPER WAITING FOR THE CITY TO DO IT, THEY TOOK ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY AS THE OWNER OF THE PID. YES, THERE'S PART OF THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT. THEY GET REIMBURSED FOR A PORTION OF THAT STUFF. BUT ALSO, THE HOMEOWNERS ARE ALREADY BEING OR HAVE BEEN CHARGED FOR THAT IMPACT FEE ASSESSMENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. BASICALLY THE STATION, I BELIEVE THEY HAD PAID THE IMPACT FEES FOR THAT. I THINK IN THIS SITUATION, THE MAY MATT CAN CORRECT ME, BUT I THINK THEY GOT AN IMPACT FEE CREDIT. IF YOU BUILT A MILE OF ROAD OR A MILE OF WATER LINE, YOU GET THE VALUE OF THOSE IMPACT FEES FOR 300 HOUSES OR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. THEY GET REIMBURSED THAT IMPACT FEE, OR THEY GET A CREDIT FOR THAT IMPACT FEE TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> KIND OF. YES. THANK YOU. >> IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT YES. CERTAINLY IN YOUR SITUATION, [OVERLAPPING] YOU'RE NOT GETTING ASSESSED IMPACT FEES PER SE BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED. BUT CERTAINLY, YOU'RE GETTING ASSESSED YOUR PID REIMBURSEMENT OR WHATEVER FEE THAT YOU'RE BEING CHARGED BECAUSE OF THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WHAT THEY AGREED TO BUILD. THAT MAKE SENSE? [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU. >> BASICALLY, THE BUILDER SPENT MONEY TO BUILD 1,000 HOUSES. HE'S GOING TO RECOUP THAT MONEY OVER 30 YEARS. >> THEY GOT AN IMPACT FEE CREDIT, AND THEN YES, THEY'RE ABLE TO RECOUP THAT FEE OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS. [00:30:02] >> THAT'S THE GENERAL PREMISE OF A PID. IS THAT THE DEVELOPER SPENT MONEY THAT NORMALLY THE CITY WOULD SPEND. THEY SPENT THAT MONEY, AND THEN THEY'RE RECOUPING IT FROM THE HOMEOWNERS, WHICH IT ALSO INCLUDES THEIR ASSESSMENTS FROM THE CITY. >> CORRECT. >> IF I GO BACK TO A COUPLE OF SLIDES, YOU ALSO HAVE THE AMOUNT ON THE INTEREST STRIKE. THE BORROWED MONEY HAS A [INAUDIBLE]. >> I DON'T THINK WE FACTORED IN THE INTEREST. AGAIN, EVEN WITH SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, WE KNOW EXISTING COSTS. WE CAN PLUG THAT INTO THE MODEL. BUT WE SAW WITH THE 2021 BOND, WE ESTIMATED THAT BAILEY ROAD IS GOING TO BE $10,000,000. WE'RE ESTIMATING THE COST OF THE PROJECT PLUS LABOR AND ESCALATION FEES. WE THINK IN TEN YEARS OR FIVE YEARS WHEN WE GO TO BUILD THIS PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO BE 25% MORE. WE ADD THAT TO THE PRICE OF THE COST OF THE PROJECT FOR THE CALCULATIONS, BUT EVEN THEN, I SAID, IT'S PRETTY CONSERVATIVE, RIGHT? WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANTICIPATED INFLATION AND PRICE DIDN'T GO THAT HIGH. >> 42% INTEREST. IS THAT CONSERVATIVE NUMBER? >> WELL, WE DON'T PAY THE SAME INTEREST RATES THAT YOU GUYS WOULD DO, IT'S PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR FOR FOR A LOAN FOR A CITY FOR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT. >> WHAT IS CITY BENEFITING FROM THIS ONE? >> PARDON? >> WHAT IS CITY BENEFITING FROM THIS ONE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE? >> WHAT ARE WE BENEFITING FROM? >> ARE WE GENERATING ANY REVENUE FROM THIS? >> NO. THIS IS AN IMPACT FEE. I GUESS, TECHNICALLY, THIS IS REVENUE. YES. >> OKAY. I GUESS, DO WE HAVE THAT FIGURE AS WELL? HOW MUCH WE KNOW? >> WHAT THIS IS FOR, AND YOU GUYS SEE THESE ALL THE TIME. WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY WANT TO BUILD 300 HOUSES. EVERY TIME SO THE BUILDER PUTS IN ALL THE ROAD, WATER, SEWER, WHEN THEY COME IN TO GET THE BUILDING PERMIT, THE BUILDING COMPANY, THEY HAVE TO PAY THAT $666 AS THEIR IMPACT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S NO REVENUE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS EXPENSES. IT'S NOT REALLY A REVENUE, IT'S TO HELP RECOUP SOME OF THE COSTS FOR THE ROAD, RECOUP SOME OF THE COSTS FOR THE WATER AND SEWER, AND ALSO MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS FOR THE NEXT 30, 50 YEARS, WHATEVER. >> I'M NOT SURE I'M FULLY CONVINCED ON THIS ONE BUT. >> WELL, JUST TO COME BACK TO THE PID QUESTION, IF COSTS WERE PAID BY ANOTHER ENTITY TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT WOULD NOT GET INCLUDED HERE, NOT IN THE IMPACT FEE CALCULATION. IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THE CITY PAID FOR. >> GOT IT. I DO ACTUALLY HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE ROADWAYS. DOES THAT INCLUDE TRAFFIC CONTROL, FOR INSTANCE, STOP FLIGHTS OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET THAT YOU'VE PORTRAYED? >> YES. IF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR ROUNDABOUTS, A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE THAT INCREASES THE CAPACITY OF THE ROADWAY NETWORK, THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE IMPACT FEE. I KNOW WE HAVE SEVERAL SIGNALS INCLUDED, AND I'M NOT SURE ON THE ROUNDABOUT SIDE, BUT YES. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> QUESTION WHO IS CHARGED WITH AFTER THE FACT, THE BUILDER IS PAYING FOR IT. [INAUDIBLE] REIMBURSING. >> WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THOSE ROADS? >> MY MIC IS MESSED UP. >> ONCE THOSE BUILDINGS AND HOUSES COME IN THE CITY OWNS THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WATER SEWER AND ROADWAY. WHEN YOU SEE SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, THE COST TO BUILD THAT ROAD IS $30,000,000. THE PEOPLE USING THAT ROAD, THE NEW BUSINESSES, THE NEW HOUSES, AND STUFF, THOSE IMPACTS TO THAT SYSTEM GET PAID TO THE CITY FOR OPERATIONS AND INITIAL CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THAT STUFF. I GUESS IT'S NOT REALLY A REIMBURSEMENT, BUT IT'S PART OF ITS OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE, AND THEN SOME OF IT'S JUST ACTUAL COST. >> THAT TRANSFER HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY AFTER, >> AFTER THE TIME OF THE BUILDING PERMIT. >> OKAY. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, AS FAR AS SUBDIVISIONS GO, SO IF YOU'RE BUILDING A BRAND NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, WHEN THAT FINAL PLAT IS ACCEPTED BY THE CITY, THAT IS WHEN THE ROAD, THE WATER LINES, THE SEWER. THOSE ARE ALL TRANSFERRED OVER THE CITY FOR OUR MAINTENANCE. [00:35:03] >> DEREK HAD SOME NICE GRAPHS WITH COLORS. I JUST HAVE NUMBERS FOR THE ROADWAY. AGAIN, BENCHMARKING, COMPARISON, COMPARING TO OTHER COMMUNITIES. THE IMPACT FEE THAT WE CALCULATED IS ON THE LOW SIDE, AS COMPARED TO A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES HERE IN THE METROPLEX. WE DID A COMPARISON OF A SINGLE FAMILY, A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH A MEDICAL OFFICE, OR SHOPPING CENTER JUST FOR RELATIVE FEEL FOR SCALE OF THOSE THINGS. >> JUST ONE THING, I'M SORRY, I WANT TO POINT THIS OUT TO YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT THIS IS NOT REALLY APPLES TO APPLES. WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT PHASE THAN OTHER CITIES. WE'RE ALMOST BUILT OUT, THERE'S NOT MANY ROADS A FEW MORE, BUT WE'RE ALMOST BUILT OUT, SO THERE'S NOT A HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENT FOR ROADWAY OR UTILITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING OUR COST TO PROSPER, THEY'RE JUST STARTING THAT JOURNEY, THAT'S WHY IT'S A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING WHEN YOU SAY, OUR IS ONLY 600 AND THEN, PROSPEROUS 5,300 BUCKS. THAT'S FOR A STANDARD RESIDENTIAL HOME, ONE WATER BEATER. BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE ROADS TO BUILD, THEY HAVE MORE WATER LINES TO BUILD, THEY HAVE MORE SEWER LINES TO BUILD, IT'S NOT AN APPLES-TO-APPLES PICTURE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PICTURE REPRESENTS OR THIS TABLE REPRESENTS. WILEY IS PRETTY CLOSE TO US, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT TO BE BUILT IN WILEY AS WELL, CONSIDER THAT. WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS, >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. ON THIS TOP LINE, DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE NUMBERS OF WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE? OR DID YOU SHOW THAT ON A PREVIOUS SLIDE? I'M SORRY. >> MATT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE OFF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD. >> WE CAN CERTAINLY PULL THAT STUFF UP BY CAN'T RUN. >> SHOULD BE ON THE WEB PAGE. >> ALL THESE ARE IN OUR MASTER FEE SCHEDULE, WHICH IS WHAT HE'S PROBABLY PULLING UP RIGHT NOW. >> [INAUDIBLE] SLIDE. >> FOR A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT, JUST THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE WOULD BE $2450.42. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THAT GOES SIGNIFICANTLY. FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH THAT WOULD BE $12,057.22. THAT ONE HAS EFFECTIVELY DOUBLED IN COST. >> WHAT THE SINGLE FAMILY HAS HAS GONE DOWN NOW? >> YEAH. THEN MEDICAL OFFICE. THAT ONE HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A MEDICAL DENTAL OFFICE, OUR CURRENT FEE IS $6,287.66. THESE ARE ALL PER THE UNIT. THIS IS PER 1,000 SQUARE FEET GROSS FLOOR AREA. >> AND THAT'S. >> THIS IS CALCULATED BASED OFF $30000. >> WHAT DO WE DO? >> THIS IS REALLY THE LAST SLIDE. OUR SCHEDULE IS WE PUT THIS ON HERE, JUST FOR BIG PICTURE STUFF. WHAT WE'RE AT TODAY IS THE SEPTEMBER 16, SORRY. WE'RE NOT AT SEPTEMBER 2 AT THE AUGUST 26 MEETING. AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE THE FULL REPORT TO REVIEW. CERTAINLY, YOU CAN ASK US ANY QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS. IF WE NEED TO MEET AGAIN ON SEPTEMBER 9, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO SO TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT IDEALLY, WE WOULD WRAP THINGS UP HERE THE NEXT WEEK OR SO TO GET THIS ON THE OCTOBER OR SEPTEMBER SORRY. [00:40:02] SEPTEMBER 16 CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR A RESOLUTION. THEY WOULD TAKE YOUR COMMENTS, FEEDBACK. WE WOULD DO ANOTHER PRESENTATION FOR THEM. AGAIN, WE'LL GO THROUGH CLEAN UP THE PRESENTATION, THE REPORT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ANY ERRORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. ONE THING WE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS WE GOT TO FIX. BUT THEN HAVE THIS READY FOR COUNCIL ADOPTION ON NOVEMBER 4. >> TONIGHT FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THERE'S THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND THE CIP, AND IF THAT IS ACCEPTED AT THIS MEETING, THEN IT WOULD NOT COME BACK ON SEPTEMBER 9. BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE WANTING TO REVIEW THIS AND HAVE THEM COME BACK, THAT'S WHEN THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE ON THIS. >> WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT ACCEPTING AS IS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO STUDY IT? COME BACK WITH QUESTIONS ON THE NINTH. >> PROBABLY MORE TIME. >> SORRY. >> PROBABLY MORE TIME. >> MORE TIME. OKAY. LET'S DO THAT, GOOD WITH THAT. >> DO YOU GUYS NEED A FORMAL MOTION ON THIS, OR YOU GUYS HAVE THE? OKAY. >> AGAIN, LOOK AT THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS. I MEAN, THERE'S THREE CRITERIA. THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT STUFF, WHICH WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. CHECK THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH WHAT THE MAP SHOWS. AGAIN, WE'RE ALSO DOING A COMPLAINT AMENDMENT SO THIS IS ALL TIED TOGETHER WITH SOME OF THAT STUFF. BUT THIS IS BASED ON CURRENT ZONING AND CURRENT LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, WHAT WE'VE USED FOR THIS CALCULATION. >> ONE OTHER REQUEST I HAVE SINCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME TIME TO REVIEW IT. IS THERE ANY DATA ON, HOW I GUESS THESE FEES HAVE BEEN PAID OUT OVER THE LAST, SAY, THREE TO FIVE YEARS, IN TERMS OF BUDGETARY? HAVE YOU GUYS RUN UNDER BUDGET OR OVER BUDGET? DO YOU HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE? >> I'M NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION. THIS IS NOT A BUDGETARY THING. SO THESE FEES WERE SET IN 2017. >> RIGHT. >> WHATEVER THOSE FEES HAVE BEEN COLLECTED SINCE THEN, WERE ESTABLISHED BASED ON THE PREVIOUS IMPACT FEES STUDY. >> BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON HOW THAT MONEY WAS SPENT? >> YES. WE CAN GET THAT. >> OKAY. >> I MEAN IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR ROADWAYS, WATER LINES, OR SEWER LINES. >> THAT'S FINE. I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS, WERE YOU GUYS RUNNING IN A DEFICIT? I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. YEAH. I GUESS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, MAYBE FOR ALL OF US TO KNOW THAT. >> WE CAN CERTAINLY PULL THAT. YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IMPACT FEES HAVE BEEN SPENT IN THE LAST SINCE THE LAST TIME. >> THREE YEARS, OR WHAT I MEAN, I TO MAKE YOU GO ALL THE WAY BACK, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO GIVE US A BASELINE, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> WE CAN DO THAT. >> AS COREY ALLUDED TO THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT FEE THAT WE'VE COLLECTED. THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN USED. I SAY DEVELOPMENT IS UP AND WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOME PERMITS, A LOT OF RESIDE RETAIL, THOSE THINGS. WE ARE COLLECTING MORE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES AND WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. THE DEVELOPER IS NOT MOVING, THEN WE'RE NOT COLLECTING THOSE FEES. >> THAT MONEY THAT GETS COLLECTED WITH THE IMPACT FEE COLLECTION DURING THE BILLING PERMIT, THAT GOES INTO AN ACCOUNT THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN USE THAT MONEY ON. I CAN'T USE IMPACT FEE MONEY ON OLD ROADWAYS. BUT IF WE EXPAND LIKE SAX ROAD OR BAILEY, IF WE TAKE A TWO-LANE ROAD AND MAKE IT A FOUR-LANE ROAD, THEN I CAN USE IMPACT FEES FOR THAT. SAME THING WITH WATER LINES. WE CAN'T USE IT FOR MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS, BUT WE CAN IF WE'RE GOING FROM A SIX-INCH WATER LINE TO A 12-INCH WATER LINE, THOSE FEES CAN BE USED FOR THAT TYPE OF THING LIKE JODY MENTIONED, WE CAN USE FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALS, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT, STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT THEY CAN BE SPENT FOR. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY MONEY IN THAT BANK ACCOUNT RIGHT NOW? >> YES. >> OKAY. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, BUT WE CAN FIND ALL THAT OUT FOR YOU CAN FIND OUT. BUT I THINK IT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, NOT LIKE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, I THINK IF THERE'S 2 MILLION IN THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE, I BELIEVE, WE'LL GET ALL THE INFORMATION FOR YOU. YEAH, SORRY. I THOUGHT I HAD IT WITH ME. >> NOW, BETWEEN NOW AND THE NINTH, HOW DO WE COORDINATE QUESTIONS, ANSWERS, AND THINGS, OR DO WE JUST I'LL COME BACK ON THE NINTH WITH WHATEVER QUESTIONS WE HAVE? >> I CAN SAY YOU CAN COME BACK ON THE NINTH WITH ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME PULLING OF DATA OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? FEEL FREE TO PASS IT ALONG TO ME, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS PRESENTED AT THE SEPTEMBER 9 MEETING. >> CAN YOU ALSO HAVE THE MAINTENANCE COST THAT WE ARE ESTIMATING THE PROJECT COST, THE IMPACT? YOU SAID THERE'S A MAINTENANCE ALSO ON TOP OF IT. WOULD THAT BE SEPARATE? WE CAN HAVE IT. [00:45:01] >> WE CANNOT USE IMPACT FEES FOR MAINTENANCE. >> YEAH. WE CANNOT USE IT, BUT CITY ALSO HAS TO MAINTAIN IT. IS IT SEPARATE OR IS IT SEPARATE, RIGHT? >> MONEY COME FROM THE [INAUDIBLE]. >> THE MAINTENANCE FUNDS COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR ROADWAYS. YOU COME FROM THE WATER AND SEWER FUND FOR UTILITIES, YOUR WATER BILL GETS COLLECTED, GETS PUT IN THE WATER UTILITY FUND, AND THEN WE USE THOSE FOR MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS OF WATER LINES. >> I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR A NUMBER ON THAT ONE TO SEE HOW FOR TEN-YEAR MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO COST THIS MUCH SINCE YOU ALREADY HAVE THE IMPACT ON THIS ONE. >> TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. >> TWO DIFFERENT THINGS? IT'S NOT PART OF THIS? >> EVERYTHING ELSE. >> I'M GOOD. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. >> THANK YOU EXCITED TO SEE FURTHER. >> THANKS FOR MATT EVERYTHING ELSE? I GUESS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ADJOURNED. WE ARE ADJOURNED. >> 6:52 P.M. >> INTERESTING * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.