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>> WELCOME EVERYONE OUT TO THE SACHSE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

[A. Meeting Opening]

TODAY IS MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2025. THE TIME IS GRANTED?

>> 6:30 PM.

>> 6:30 PM WE ARE CALLED TO ORDER.

NEXT TIME ON THE AGENDA ITEM 2 INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I'VE ASKED MISS HOWARD TO OFFER THE INVOCATION AND MR. PRESENBERG, TO LEAVE THE PLEDGES, IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE.

>> OUR KIND AND GRACIOUS HAVEN, FATHER, WE'RE GRATEFUL TO BE GATHERED HERE TOGETHER TODAY TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY OF SACHSE, AND WE ASK THE BLESSINGS UPON US TODAY THAT WILL TAKE IN THE INFORMATION PRESENTED, MAKE WISE DECISIONS, AND HEAR EACH OTHER CAREFULLY AND WITH RESPECT.

WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE CITY THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE IN THE STATE, AND THIS NATION, AND FOR ALL THE MANY BLESSINGS THAT IT GIVES US.

WE ASK YOU PLEASE WATCH OVER OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, AND ALL THOSE WHO HELPED TAKE CARE OF THIS CITY AND KEEP US SAFE.

WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR OUR MANY BLESSINGS, AND WE ASK THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF THY SON, JESUS CHRIST. AMEN.

>> PLEASE, JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>>

>> THANK YOU. MAYBE SEATED. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM B PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS COUNCIL REGARDING ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION OR PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMENTS REGARDING THE CONSENT AGENDA OR ANY DISCUSSION, ONLY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA MAY BE ADDRESSED DURING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION.

THE TIME LIMIT IS THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.

A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE SAY SECRETARY PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEANS ACT, COUNCIL IS PROHIBITED FROM DISCUSSING ANY ITEM NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA, BUT WILL TAKE COMMENTS UNDER ADVISEMENT.

I WILL SAY, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A, QUESTION OR COMMENT ABOUT ANY OF THE ACTION ITEMS? I WOULD ASK THAT YOU SAVE THEM FOR THOSE ITEMIZE IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THE CONSENT OR ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO THAT.

WITH THAT, I DO HAVE ONE CARD, MATTHEW HOBO.

>> I'M GOOD.

>> THANKS, SIR. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS.

IS ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE ON.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA ITEM C,

[C. Council/Staff Reports and Updates]

COUNCIL STAFF REPORTS AND UPDATES.

ITEM 1 MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARDING SPECIAL EVENTS, CURRENT ACTIVITIES, AND LOCAL ACHIEVEMENTS.

ANYONE ON COUNCIL HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT? DISPUTE.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE NEW FALL AND WINTER GUIDE TO FUN IS HERE.

THE GUIDE HIGHLIGHTS UPCOMING CLASSES, PROGRAMS, AND ACTIVITIES AT THE MICHAEL J FELIX COMMUNITY CENTER, THE SACHSE PUBLIC LIBRARY, THE SACHSE SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER, AS WELL AS OUR SEASONAL SPECIAL EVENTS.

TWO WEEKS AGO, WE HAD OUR MOTHER SON EVENT AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

IT WAS A SPACE THEME EVENT, AND IT WAS WELL ATTENDED BY OUR COMMUNITY.

I WANT TO PASS ALONG MY THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF, AS WELL AS OUR VOLUNTEERS THAT MADE THAT EVENT POSSIBLE.

LASTLY, OUR NEXT EVENT WILL BE THE FOLLOWING DRONES AND BONES.

THE PARKS AND RECREATION TEAMS ARE GEARING UP FOR OUR SECOND ANNUAL FOLLOWING BASH.

MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR THE EXCITING EVENT ON OCTOBER 18TH FROM 4:00-8:00 PM.

THIS YEAR'S EVENT WILL FEATURE A HAUNTED MAZE, CORN HOLD TOURNAMENT, LIVE PERFORMANCES ON STAGE, A COSTUME CONTEST AND MUCH MORE.

THIS YEAR, WE'RE ADDING SACHSE'S FIRST EVER DRONE SHOW, AN OUTDOOR MOVIE, AND TRICK OR TREAT MARKET.

YOU WON'T WANT TO MISS IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MISS BIGLER. MR. MILLS.

>> THE LIBRARY HAS SOME ACTIVITIES STARTING TODAY.

ACTUALLY, STARTING TODAY IS THE BEGINNING OF HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING A BUNCH OF EVENTS AND SOME LITERATURE AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO COME AND LOOK AT AND LEARN ABOUT THE INFLUENCE OF THE HISPANIC HERITAGE TO THE TEXAS AND TO THE US COUNTRY AND HOLE.

ALSO, THEY HAVE A MAKE AND MINGLE FALL CRAFT NIGHT ON THE 17TH.

THIS IS A FREE MONTHLY MAKE AND MINGLE EVENT WHERE YOU CAN CREATE A CRAFT MINGLE WITH FRIENDS AND ENJOY LIGHT REFRESHMENTS.

THIS MONTH WE'LL BE MAKING FALL SIGNS INSPIRED BY SCRABBLE PIECES.

THE PROGRAM IS FOR 18 YEARS AND OLDER.

IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A REGISTRATION, BUT IT WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO RSVP ON LINES TO MAKE PLANS FOR PROVISIONS OF EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES.

ANOTHER THING, THAT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE NEED, IS IT'S TIME TO THEIR ANNUAL STUFFY SLEEP OVER, SEPTEMBER 26TH AND 27TH.

IT'S TIME OF YEAR AGAIN, THE LIBRARY IS HOSTING ITS ANNUAL STUFFY SLEEP OVER WHERE CHILDREN CAN DROP OFF THEIR SECOND FAVORITE STUFFED TOY ON FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH FOR AN OVER-LIGHT ADVENTURE AT THE LIBRARY.

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PICK UP YOUR STUFFED TOY THE NEXT DAY, SATURDAY ON 27TH, AND CHECK TO SEE SOME PHOTOS TO SEE WHAT YOUR STUFFY TOYS WERE DOING OVERNIGHT IN THE LIBRARY. COULD BE A FUN EVENT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. MR. PRESENBERG.

>> IS THERE AN AGE LIMIT ON THE STUFFY SLEEP OVER? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'D LIKE TO DO THAT.

ANIMAL SHELTER ANNOUNCEMENTS.

WE HAVE A LOW COST VACCINATION CLINIC.

STARTING ON OCTOBER 11TH, FROM 10:00-2:00 PM.

THAT IS A LOW COST VACCINATION CLINIC.

AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, AFFORDABLE PACKAGES AND INDIVIDUAL VACCINES WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR BOTH DOGS AND CATS.

SERVICES SUCH AS MICROCHIPPING AND HEART-WORM EXAMS WILL ALSO BE OFFERED.

OUR FEATURED PETS ARE ROCKY AND LUCY.

TWO OF THE MOST INSPIRING PUPS THAT WE HAVE.

THEY BOTH CAME IN TOGETHER AFTER BEING ABANDONED AND ARE NOW IN FOSTER CARE.

YOU WON'T MEET THEM AT THE SHELTER, BUT BOTH ARE READY FOR LOVING HOMES.

ROCKY IS A ONE-YEAR-OLD BOY WHO SURVIVED NEGLECT.

WHEN HE FIRST ARRIVED, HE IS SO SCARED THAT EVEN GENTLE VOICES MADE HIM COWER, LOOK AT HIM.

WITH LOVE AND PATIENCE, HE HAS TRANSFORMED AND NOW LOVES TO PLAY WITH OTHER DOGS AND GIVE KISSES AND CUDDLES, ALL THOSE GOOD THINGS.

ROCKY DOES HAVE AN AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE THAT IS BEING MANAGED FOR STEROIDS, AND HE'S CURRENTLY ON HIS FIRST TREATMENT TRIAL.

IF YOU ARE READY TO TAKE THAT ON, THEN PLEASE GO GIVE ROCKY A LOOK OR GIVE THE SHELTER A CALL, AND THEY'LL SET YOU UP WITH A VISIT.

LUCY WAS ABANDONED WHILE PREGNANT, AND BRALEY RAISED HER PUPS BEFORE STARTING HER OWN JOURNEY TO TRUST.

WE GOT A SMILE. I LIKE THAT.

SHE'S SHY BUT MAKING PROGRESS EVERY DAY.

SHE ENJOYS WALKS, PETS AND CURLING UP IN HER LAP. WHO CAN'T BEAT THAT? IF YOU'RE READY TO GIVE ROCKY OR LUCY THE SECOND CHANCE I DESERVE, CALL TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER AT 972-675-9662. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. PRESENBERG. ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT? SEEING NONE, MISS NASH.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST WANTED TO WELCOME A NEW HIRE AND THEN RECOGNIZE ONE OF OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES.

I WANT TO WELCOME, ANDREW SMITH, AS A NEW FIREFIGHTER RECRUIT AND WELCOMING HIM TO THE TEAM.

THEN IN LIGHT OF OUR CORE VALUES, WE WANT TO DO A RECOGNITION FOR ONE OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS, BOTH WITH SERVICE AND EXCELLENCE.

SACHSE FIREFIGHTER AND PARAMEDIC SCOTT CASTILLO, REPRESENTED THE CITY OF SACHSE AT THE 24TH ANNUAL GUNS AND HOSES BOXING TOURNAMENT THIS PAST WEEKEND AT THE ALLEN EVENTS CENTER.

AFTER MONTHS OF TRAINING WITH PROFESSIONAL COACHES, SCOTT WON HIS MATCH, CONTRIBUTING TO THE FIREFIGHTERS OVERALL VICTORY AT THAT TOURNAMENT.

SCOTT'S PARTICIPATION NOT ONLY SHOWCASES HIS COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE, BUT ALSO HIS SPIRIT OF SERVICE BECAUSE THE TOURNAMENT RAISES MONEY TO SUPPORT THE FAMILIES OF FALLEN FIRST RESPONDERS.

I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE, SCOTT, ON HIS ACCOMPLISHMENT AND THANK HIM FOR REPRESENTING SACHSE FIRE RESCUE AND OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY WITH DEDICATION.

>> THANK, MISS NASH. JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS FROM ME.

AS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING, IT'S PEANUT BUTTER DRIVE MONTH.

WE HAD THE NORTH TEXAS FOOD BANK OUT HERE LAST MEETING TO KICK OFF OUR DRIVE.

IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER, THEIR GOAL IS TO RAISE $350,000 AND COLLECTING 100,000 POUNDS OF PEANUT BUTTER.

SHE CAN DO CRUNCHY OR CREAMY. IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THAT HELPS HUNGER IN OUR REGION.

LAST WEEK, WE HAD OUR EMPLOYEES DONATE $135 IN CASH DONATIONS AND 43 JARS OF PEANUT BUTTER, SO THAT'S AWESOME.

OUR GOAL, AS A COMMUNITY, IS TO COLLECT 250 POUNDS OF PEANUT BUTTER.

WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET.

TODAY IS SEPTEMBER 15TH, SO WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE MONTH.

WE GOT TIME TO GET THERE.

WE HAVE DONATION BINS AVAILABLE AT CITY HALL, THE MICHAEL J FELIX COMMUNITY CENTER, THE SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER, AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS.

ALL DONATIONS HAVE TO BE DROPPED OFF BY SEPTEMBER 30TH.

LIKE I SAID, HALF WE DO THE MONTH.

WE'VE GOT A LITTLE TIME.

AGAIN, YOU CAN STAY UP TO DATE ON ALL OF THE PEANUT BUTTER DRIVE COMINGS AND GOINGS ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS, AND I DID SEE THE MASCOT OUT THERE, NOT TOO LONG AGO.

THAT WAS A GREAT THING TO SEE, SO WE APPRECIATE HIM HIM OR HER JOINING US, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

THEN, ON A DIFFERENT SUBJECT, WE HAVE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT COMING UP SOONER THAN ANYTHING, OCTOBER 7TH. THAT'S ON A TUESDAY.

AS WE'VE ALWAYS TRADITIONALLY DONE, NEIGHBORHOODS [INAUDIBLE] SACHSE WILL CELEBRATE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, BLOCK PARTIES, COOKOUTS, COMMUNITY FUN.

THIS IS AN ANNUAL EVENT WE DO, EVERY YEAR, TO BUILD STRONGER CONNECTIONS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND VISIT WITH SACHSE POLICE AND FIRE PERSONNEL.

IF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THINKING ABOUT HAVING A BLOCK PARTY, MAKE SURE YOU REGISTER WITH THE CITY.

OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND OUR COUNCIL CAN COME OUT AND VISIT YOU AND SAY, HELLO.

THE APPLICATION IS ON OUR WEBSITE, AND YOU CAN CHECK THE BOX FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.

I WILL SAY, CHIEF AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS MANY MOONS.

I THINK THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS IN THE SUMMER, I THINK STILL FOR EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTRY, THAT LIVE IN TEXAS.

WHOEVER MADE THAT DECISION ON THE REGIONAL LEVEL TO HAVE IT IN OCTOBER, I FLAWED THEM BECAUSE IT IS NOT QUITE AS HOT.

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THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND SACHSE. ANYBODY ELSE? HEARING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON.

NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM D, THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[D. Consent Agenda]

ITEM 1 APPROVED THE SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025 MEETING MINUTES.

ITEM 2 APPROVE A RESOLUTION APPROVING AMENDMENT NUMBER 3 TO THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN DALLAS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF SACHSE, FOR HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE DISPOSAL SERVICES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, 2026, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ITEM 3 APPROVE AN ORDINANCE ACCEPTING AND APPROVING THE 2025 ANNUAL SERVICE PLAN UPDATE TO THE SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN, INCLUDING THE ASSESSMENT ROLE FOR THE SACHSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 372 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

COUNCIL MEMBER, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANYTHING REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SEEING THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MISS HOWARD.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY MISS HOWARD TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A SECOND, MR. PRESENBERG.

>> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A SECOND BY MR. PRESENBERG.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CATCH IT OUT.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM E ACTION ITEMS. THEN WE DO HAVE TO MOVE ITEM 7 UP TO NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT OUR 2024, 2025 BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE SEVEN TO NUMBER ONE, SO I WILL READ SEVEN AT THIS TIME.

ITEM 7, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SACHSE,

[7. Consider a resolution of the City Council of the City of Sachse, Texas, calling a portion of the City of Sachse, Texas, General Obligation Refunding Bonds, Series 2015, for redemption prior to maturity; and enacting other provisions relating to the subject.]

TEXAS, CALLING A PORTION OF THE CITY OF SACHSE, TEXAS GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BONDS SERIES 2025 FOR REDEMPTION PRIOR TO MATURITY AND ENACTING OTHER PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE SUBJECT. WHAT DID I SAY?

>> TWENTY FIVE.

>> MY BAD. LET ME JUST RESTATE THIS ONE MORE TIME.

CONSIDER RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SACHSE, TEXAS, CALLING A PORTION OF THE CITY OF SACHSE, TEXAS, GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING BOND SERIES 2015 FOR REDEMPTION PRIOR TO MATURITY AND ENACTING OTHER PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE SUBJECT.

IT IS 2025. I DIDN'T GO TO TECH LIKE MR. HUGHES.

SO I CAN BE FORGIVEN, I GUESS.

IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU, MR. HUGHES.

>> MAYOR, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

COUNCIL, GOOD TO BE HERE.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING, FOR YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT, IS A RESOLUTION TO PAY OFF DEBT EARLY.

I HAVE A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION JUST TO GO THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ITEMS THERE.

I THOUGHT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FIRST IS JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DEBT PROFILE OF THE CITY.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, YOU HAVE APPROXIMATELY $74 MILLION OUTSTANDING.

THROUGH SEVEN ISSUES.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ROUGHLY $8.7 MILLION FROM THE NOVEMBER 2021 ELECTION, WHICH IS ANTICIPATED TO BE ISSUED NEXT YEAR.

ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, IS WE HAVE A CALL DATE FOR EACH OF THOSE.

WHENEVER WE GO TO ISSUE THE DEBT, AT THAT TIME OF THE INITIAL ISSUANCE, WE PUT A CALL FEATURE, WHAT'S CALLED A CALL FEATURE IN THERE.

ALL THAT SIMPLY DOES IS IT ALLOWS YOU, THE CITY, THE FLEXIBILITY TO TAKE THOSE BONDS AWAY FROM INVESTORS IF YOU CHOOSE TO.

IT'S A ONE WAY OPTION, WHERE AGAIN, YOU CAN DO THAT.

THEY CAN'T COME BACK TO YOU AND MAKE YOU PAY EARLY, WHAT IT DOES IS YOU RETAIN THE FLEXIBILITY TO TAKE THOSE BONDS AWAY, AND YOU CAN DO A COUPLE OF THINGS WHEN YOU DO THAT.

YOU CAN EITHER PAY THEM OFF OUTRIGHT OR REDEEM THEM OR A PORTION OF THEM, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, OR WE CAN REFINANCE THEM.

MUCH LIKE YOU'D REFINANCE YOUR HOME MORTGAGE IF INTEREST RATES DECREASE FROM WHEN WE INITIALLY ISSUED THEM.

>> OH, THAT WASN'T.

>> I CAN STILL TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THAT WASN'T ME.

>> YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD, KEEP TALKING.

>> LET'S SEE.

>> GET OUT YOUR HANDWRITTEN THOSE.

>> THE 2015 GO BONDS ARE CURRENTLY CALLABLE, AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AGAIN IS A RESOLUTION THAT WILL ALLOW US TO PAY OFF UP TO $950,000 IN PRINCIPAL EARLY.

THE BENEFIT OF THAT IS YOU'LL AVOID PAYING INTEREST ON THAT PORTION OF THE BONDS THAT WE TAKE OUT EARLY, AND THEN IT'LL ALSO PROVIDE FUTURE DEBT CAPACITY.

WE'RE DOING THIS WITH AN EYE TOWARDS AGAIN, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE BONDS TO BE ISSUED NEXT YEAR AS WELL.

THIS REDEMPTION RESOLUTION IS REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL BEFORE WE CAN GO OUT.

WE CAN, ACTUALLY, PAY THOSE BONDS OFF EARLY.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE ALSO HAD A REDEMPTION RESOLUTION PASSED LAST YEAR FOR 2019 AND 2021 DEBT, WHICH WE PAID OFF IN THEIR ENTIRETY.

WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> YOU BROUGHT UP WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST BASED ON OUR FINANCIAL.

I WOULD SAY BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR MONEY.

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>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

ONE THING THAT I SHOULD POINT OUT TOO, IS YOU HAVE CREDIT RATINGS OF AA PLUS BY S&P AND AA ONE BY MOODY'S.

THOSE ARE THE SECOND HIGHEST OVERALL CREDIT RATINGS, NEXT STEPS, AAA BY BOTH, WHICH, GIVEN THE TRAJECTORY THAT THE CITY'S ON FINANCIALLY, TAX VALUES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, I COULD CERTAINLY SEE IN THE FUTURE.

>> WELL, I KNOW YOU WILL BE ONE OF OUR STAUNCHEST ADVOCATES FOR THAT.

SO 100%. WE APPRECIATE THAT.

QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUGHES FROM COUNCIL.

HEY, HOLD ON. MAYOR PUTIN FRANKS.

>> JASON, WE DON'T HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION.

WAS THERE ANYTHING PERTINENT ON OTHER SLIDES THAT I NEED TO KNOW? NOW, WE HAVE YOUR SLIDE. IS THAT THE ONLY ONE? NO. THAT'S THE ONE YOU HAD.

>> THE FIRST ONE, AGAIN, WAS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE OVERALL DEBT, A LITTLE OVER 74 MILLION OUTSTANDING.

AGAIN, ONE THING I SHOULD SAY, AGAIN, YOU SEE THE CALL DATE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THESE BONDS ARE CURRENTLY CALLABLE, MEANING WE CAN TAKE THEM AWAY FROM INVESTORS NOW.

THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ONLY LOOKED AT JUST NOW, BUT EVERY SINGLE YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT CALL DATE.

AGAIN, LOOKING TO SEE IF THESE CAN BE PAID OFF EARLY OR REFINANCE TO SAVE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS.

THEN THAT PAGE JUST WENT THROUGH THE CALL DATE.

THESE, AGAIN, ARE CURRENTLY CALLABLE.

WE CAN PAY THEM OFF WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PENALTY.

THEN BY DOING THAT, AGAIN, NO INTEREST ON THE REMAINING OR ON THE PORTION OF THE BONDS THAT WE PAY OFF AND IT PROVIDES FUTURE DEBT CAPACITY.

THEN THIS IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT IN ORDER TO PAY YOUR DEBT OFF EARLY.

>> MISS HOWARD.

>> WE'RE PAYING THE ENTIRETY OF THE OUTSTANDING 2015 DEBT OR JUST PART OF IT.

>> JUST PART OF IT UPTO 950,000.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MR. PRESENBERG.

>> TWO QUESTIONS. WHAT'S THE SAVINGS THAT THIS IS GOOD?

>> IF YOU PAID OUT THE FULL 950,000, IT'D BE ABOUT $220,000 JUST UNDER THAT.

>> AWESOME.

>> SILLY QUESTION, BUT WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM THAT'S PAYING OFF?

>> IT'LL COME FROM THE DEBT SERVICE FUND.

IT'S NOTHING DIFFERENT FROM HOW YOUR DEBT IS NORMALLY PAID.

>> PERFECT.

>> MR. MELSON.

>> COULD YOU PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP, IT SHOWS A CALL DATE THERE WE GO.

IF WE PAY THESE OFF UP TO THE MAXIMUM MONEY THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, DO WE HAVE TO PAY THE EARLIEST ONE OFF FIRST, OR CAN WE PICK AND CHOOSE?

>> GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO PAY THOSE OFF THAT ARE CALLABLE NOW.

YOU GET MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, SO TO SPEAK.

YOU CAN PAY OTHERS OFF INTO THE FUTURE, BUT THERE ARE SOME TAX LIMITATIONS ON DOING THAT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE PICKING THE 2015 IN THIS CASE.

>> I'M IN FAVOR OF PAYING OFF AS MANY AS WE CAN AS SOON AS WE CAN.

>> YES, SIR. UNDERSTOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL FOR MR. HUGHES OR STAFF? HANG AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

THIS IS AN ACTIONABLE ITEM, AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK IF ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

HEARING NONE, WE'LL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR MOTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? MS. HOWARTH.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM E7 AS PRESENTED.

>> I THINK I WAS HOPING YOU SAY SEVEN.

HAVE A MOTION BY MS. HOWARTH TO APPROVE ITEM E7 AS PRESENTED.

DO I HAVE A SECOND, MR. LINDSAY?

>> SECOND.

>> SECOND BY MR. LINDSAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, MR. HUGHES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> IT'S MORE GOOD NEWS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANKS, SIR. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO ITEM 1 NOW ON E ACTION ITEMS.

[1. Conduct a public hearing and consider the adoption of an ordinance related to the Sachse Public Improvement District No. 1; ratifying and conforming prior actions of the City Council in connection with the District; approving an Operations and Maintenance Service and Assessment Plan Update for maintenance of authorized improvements within the District which lies within the corporate limits of the city; levying assessments against the assessed property to pay for maintenance of authorized improvements within the District; providing for the collection of assessments; creating a charge and lien against the assessed property; providing for penalties for delinquent assessments; creating a District Project Fund; making legislative findings; providing for severability; and providing an effective date.]

ITEM 1, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE SACHSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1, RATIFYING AND CONFORMING PRIOR ACTIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN CONNECTION WITH THE DISTRICT, APPROVING AN OPERATIONS OF MAINTENANCE SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN UPDATE FOR MAINTENANCE AND AUTHORIZED IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE DISTRICT, WHICH LIES WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY.

EXCUSE ME.

LEVYING ASSESSMENTS AGAINST THE ASSESSED PROPERTY TO PAY FOR MAINTENANCE OF AUTHORIZED IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE DISTRICT, PROVIDING FOR THE COLLECTION OF ASSESSMENTS, CREATING A CHARGE AND LIEN AGAINST THE ASSESSED PROPERTY, PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES AND DELINQUENT ASSESSMENTS, CREATING A DISTRICT PROJECT FUND, MAKING LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

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BUT THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER, MS. NASH. THERE YOU GO.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AS MAYOR JUST SAID, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1.

THIS IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN VERSUS THE ACCEPTANCE AND APPROVAL THAT YOU DID DURING YOUR CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE PID, WHICH WAS CONSENT ITEM 3.

I WOULD SLOW DOWN.

MAYBE I COULD TALK BETTER.

I HAVE MARY PETTY HERE FROM P3 WORKS, AND MARY IS OUR PID ADMINISTRATOR, AND SHE CAN JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING BEFORE YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> HELLO, MS. PETTY.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MARY PETTY WITH P3 WORKS, AS MS. NASH SAID, WE ARE YOUR PID ADMINISTRATOR.

EVERY YEAR, IF YOU RECALL, SINCE THE CREATION OF THE PID, BOTH THE CAPITAL PID AND THE O&M AND 2019, WE HAVE LEVIED AN ASSESSMENT ON THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2020 AND ROLLING FORWARD IN ORDER TO PAY FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT LEVY IS CONTAINED WITHIN AN ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT RUNS WITH THE LAND THAT WAS INTENDED TO MAINTAIN THIS AREA AND CERTAIN COMPONENTS.

THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER CHAPTER 372 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IS THAT AN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PID HAS A REQUIREMENT TO SEND OUT A MAILED NOTICE EVERY YEAR.

YOU HAVE TO CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

PREVIOUSLY IN THE SUMMER, YOU HAD A PRELIMINARY SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN, WHICH LOOKED JUST LIKE THIS DOCUMENT, AND IT WAS APPROVED BY YOU FROM THE STANDPOINT OF AUTHORIZING STAFF TO CALL THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

A NOTICE WAS MAILED TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AS WELL AS A NEWSPAPER NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED.

SHORTLY THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPENED, AND THEN FOLKS CAN SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PID COMPONENT.

BUT AGAIN, THAT PID WAS CREATED FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ALSO THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THAT SUBDIVISION, WHICH INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND RETAIL TO CONTAIN A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE AND OTHER UNIQUE FEATURES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THAT ZONING COMPONENT THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY APPLIED FOR AND REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPER GROUP, AND IT ENHANCES ALL OF THE COMPONENTS RELATIVE TO THAT DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THAT DOCUMENT CONTAINS THE BUDGET, BUT IT ALSO HAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF ASSESSMENTS BY PARCEL TIES BACK TO WHAT THE CAD PUTS TOGETHER EVERY YEAR, AND THEN THAT INVOICE AND THAT BILL WILL BE SENT BY YOUR COLLECTION ENTITY TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNER SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THAT PAYMENT.

IF THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME OWNER THAT HAS A MORTGAGE, THEN THAT COLLECTION COMPANY SENDS THAT JUST LIKE THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR TO THAT MORTGAGE COMPANY TO COLLECT THAT PAYMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE A TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR.

THEY'RE JUST A THIRD PARTY.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MS. PETTY. QUESTIONS YOUR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL FOR MS. PETTY, OR STAFF. HANG TIGHT, MS. PETTY. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.

I DO DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. THE TIME MS. GRANGER.

>> 6:53 PM.

>> PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN AT 6:53 PM.

DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER'S CARDS ON THIS.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. I WILL DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. THE TIME MS. GRANGER?

>> 6:54 PM.

>> I WAS HOPING WE GET THAT. 6:54 PM. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

I WOULD NOTE FOR THE RECORD. COUNCIL DOES HAVE COPIES OF THESE.

WE DID HAVE THREE FORMAL PROTESTS FOR THE PID TAX ASSESSMENT FROM MR. FARGE. I KNOW I'M SAYING THAT WRONG.

THEN ALSO FROM MR. MELSON, AND ALSO FROM MR. EGAS.

I KNOW I BUTCHERED THOSE. I APOLOGIZE IF I DID.

BUT COUNCIL HAS A COPY OF ALL THREE OF THOSE, AND THAT IS WE'LL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.

WITH THAT, DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR MS. PETTY OR MS. NASH. MS. HOWARTH.

>> JUST A COUPLE OF SOMETHING THAT THE COMPLAINTS OR THE PROTESTS WE GOT COMPLAINED ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE A BUDGET FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION.

IS THAT A PUBLIC DOCUMENT THAT THEY CAN FIND SOMEWHERE?

>> MS. PETTY WILL ANSWER THAT.

>> YES, MA'AM. IT'S ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THIS DOCUMENT, I BELIEVE PAGE 43.

YES, MA'AM. IT'S EXHIBIT E TO THE DOCUMENT.

IT IS LABELED O&M BUDGET.

>> THAT WENT OUT TO ALL THE HOMEOWNERS, SO THEY CAN GO TO IT FROM A WEBSITE?

>> THEY CAN GO TO IT FROM THE WEBSITE.

IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUS AGENDA IN WHICH THE COUNCIL CALLED THE RESOLUTION TO PUBLISH THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IT HAS BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE, I BELIEVE JULY.

FOR INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE, AND I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAD SOME SHUFFLING OF DATES, BUT IT'S REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY YOU FROM THE STANDPOINT OF AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION.

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IT WAS ON A PREVIOUS AGENDA WHEN THEY CALLED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> IF A HOMEOWNER LOOKS THAT UP, THEY CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT THAT MONEY THAT'S ON THAT ASSESSMENT SPENT ON?

>> CORRECT. LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM. YES, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? MR. PRESENBERG?

>> YES. IT ONE MORE QUESTION.

SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE YOU KEEP WALKING.

>> NO. THAT'S OKAY.

>> I SEE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE COMPLAINTS OR WHATNOT OR PROTESTS.

JUST FROM MY OWN UNDERSTANDING, IS THE PID TAKING THE PLACE OF HOA?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT'S ACTUALLY IN CONCERT WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THERE'S CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITIES THAT A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION HAS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL.

THERE'S A CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION HAS FOR THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.

THEN THERE IS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE CITY HAS TO MAINTAIN CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS FINANCED THROUGH THE ORIGINAL CAPITAL PID.

YET, THE CITY HAS TO OWN THAT BECAUSE OF FEDERAL TAX ISSUES.

THE O&M ASSESSMENT IS COLLECTED IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THOSE COMPONENTS.

>> BUT WHAT I'M SEEING ON AVERAGE, LIKE FOR $500,000 HOME OR APPRAISED VALUE OR WHATNOT, 250, 260 A YEAR EXTRA.

THAT MONEY GOES TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU SAID, PAGE 43 OR WHATNOT OR 44.

I THINK I LIVE IN HOA, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THIS.

HAVING THIS EXTRA STEP, I THINK MIGHT CONFUSE SOME FOLKS.

BUT I THINK AS COUNCILWOMAN HOWARTH SAID, IT'S ALL SHARE THIS DOCUMENT.

YOU HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO SEE.

I THINK IT'S JUST ALL ABOUT COMMUNICATION.

THANK YOU FOR THIS APPRECIATE.

>> YES, SIR. IT IS AVAILABLE ONCE THE APPROVAL OCCURS, IT WILL BE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.

ANYONE CAN LOOK AT THE PASS VERSION OR THEY CAN LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL THAT LEVIED THE FIRST ASSESSMENT. YES, SIR.

>> MR. MELSON.

>> JUST A COUPLE OF ENLIGHTEN ME A LITTLE BIT.

THE PID, AS YOU SAY, IS AS THE OTHER COUNCILMAN MENTIONED, IT'S BASICALLY OPERATED AS AN HOA AS FAR AS THE SESSION DEVELOPMENT. IN SIMPLE TERMS.

>> IN SIMPLE TERMS, IT HAS AN HOA COMPONENT AND THAT IT PROVIDES MAINTENANCE OF CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ON THE PID, OR IS IT HAS TO BE RENEWED EACH YEAR?

>> GREAT QUESTION. YOUR CAPITAL PID WAS UTILIZED TO LEVY ASSESSMENTS AND FINANCE BONDS THAT PAID FOR THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT ONE IS LIMITED, AND THAT ONE CAN BE PREPAID AT ANY TIME.

A HOMEOWNER CAN COME IN AND SAY, I DON'T WANT TO PAY THIS, I WANT TO PAY IT OFF. THEY CAN PAY IT.

AN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PID, HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE TIED TO A BUDGET, AND THOSE BUDGETS CHANGE YEAR OVER YEAR, IT HAS TO BE UPDATED EVERY YEAR.

YOU HAVE TO UNDER THE STATUTE, CALL A PUBLIC HEARING EVERY YEAR, PUBLISH THE BUDGET, PROVIDE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO SEE THAT AMOUNT AND THEN WHAT IT'S BEING EXPENDED ON.

IT'S UPDATED EVERY YEAR.

NOW, IF AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE PID, THEY COULD PETITION FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO NO LONGER BE MAINTAINED.

BUT BECAUSE THE CITY USED PUBLIC DOLLARS TO FINANCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN IT, BUT IT'S FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT'S THROUGH AN O&M PID, AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND.

THE SPECIAL BENEFIT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS IS ISOLATED TO THAT IMPROVEMENT AREA OR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

>> IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO PROPOSE WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED AS A POSSIBILITY, HOW DO THEY PHYSICALLY GO ABOUT DOING THAT?

>> THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO AGREE TO HAVE IT NO LONGER PART, AND THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TO AGREE TO TRANSFER THAT COST TO THEIR GENERAL FUND.

>> HOW WOULD IT AFFECT THE REST OF THE STATION COMPLEX, THE COMMERCIAL PART OF IT, THEN?

>> YOU CANNOT SEPARATE IT.

>> YOU CANNOT. IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS DECIDE THEY WANT TO DO IT IN PETITION, THEN THE PID WOULD BE TERMINATED ONCE IT WAS PAID OFF?

>> NO. THE CAPITAL PID WOULD TERMINATE ON ONCE IT'S PAID OFF. THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT.

THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TO TRANSFER THAT OBLIGATION TO ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTS WITHIN THE CITY IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE THAT OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PID.

>> BECAUSE I BASICALLY, I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS OF MANAGING, "HOA FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE." I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMEHOW THAT

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THE DEVELOPER TAKE IT BACK OVER AND THEY HANDLE IT THEMSELVES AT SOME POINT.

IS THAT A POSSIBILITY?

>> NO, BECAUSE YOU OWN THE ASSETS THAT YOU'RE MANAGING.

WHAT'S BEING MANAGED IS THE CITY'S ASSETS THAT WERE FINANCED THROUGH THE CAPITAL PID.

THE CITY IS THE OWNER OPERATOR.

BUT BECAUSE IT WAS FOR A SPECIAL PURPOSE THAT PROVIDES A SPECIAL BENEFIT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO THE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT WAS THROUGH THE ZONING THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPER OR THE ENHANCEMENTS THE DEVELOPER DESIRED TO BE PART OF THE PROJECT IN ORDER TO UTILIZE THE OPPORTUNITIES OF A PID, THE CITY RIGHTFULLY SAID THE DOLLARS THAT ARE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THAT WOULD BE PRODUCED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE THE SPECIAL BENEFIT.

THAT'S WHAT CHAPTER 372 IS PURPOSE IS THAT THE SPECIAL CONFERRED BENEFIT IS ISOLATED TO THOSE THAT RECEIVE THAT SPECIAL BENEFIT.

>> BECAUSE READING SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS SENT IN.

THEY PAY TAXES JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS DO.

THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THEIR PROPERTY, JUST LIKE OTHER TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR MAINTENANCE OF THEIR SHARE OF THE PROPERTY.

NOW THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING TAXED AGAIN.

LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THEY HAVE A VALID CONCERN IN SOME CASES, SINCE WE'RE LEVYING ADDITIONAL TAXES ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT OTHER COMMERCIAL ADVENTURES ARE RESIDENTIAL VENTURES AND TAXES IN THE CITY IS GETTING TAXED.

>> LET MS. NASH ADDRESS THAT.

>> I JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE AN IMPORTANT POINT HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING BENEFITS ABOVE AND BEYOND, WHAT OTHER RESIDENTS ARE GETTING BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF LIGHTING TREATMENTS, STREET TREATMENTS.

THEY HAVE THINGS WITHIN THE STATION THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE RESIDENTS GET IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE CITY.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE O&M PID IS PAYING FOR IS FOR ALL OF THOSE ADDITIONAL THINGS WITHIN THE STATION THAT OTHER RESIDENTS ARE RECEIVING THE BENEFIT FOR.

>> THEY COULD COLLECTIVELY ASK FOR A MEETING AND SAY, WE REALLY DON'T WANT THAT ANYMORE.

>> BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ALL THE RESIDENTS.

>> IT WOULD IT BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY UNDO THE PID THE SAME WAY ONCE CREATED.

THE LAND OWNER CREATES IT WHEN THERE USUALLY IS ONLY ONE OR TWO LAND OWNERS BECAUSE THEY ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

BUT CURRENTLY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE FEDERAL YOU HAVE TAX EXEMPT BONDS OUTSTANDING, AND I'M NOT YOUR BOND COUNCIL, BUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TAX DOLLARS OUTSTANDING THAT WERE UTILIZED TO FINANCE THE ROADWAYS AND THOSE COMPONENTS, YOU, THE CITY, AS THE OWNER OF THOSE ROADS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THEM, BUT THEY'RE AT BEING MAINTAINED AT A HIGHER STANDARD.

PER THE REQUEST OF THE LAND OWNERS, ETC.

AS PART OF THE ADDED BENEFIT TO THAT PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHAT THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PID IS UTILIZED FOR IS THOSE ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS TO MS. NASH'S POINT OVER AND ABOVE WHAT NORMALLY IS MAINTAINED IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.

>> ONE MORE QUESTION, YOU ALLUDED A WHILE AGO TO THE FACT THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE CHANGES THAT, I'LL HAVE TO AGREE TO IT.

ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT WE HAVE TO BE 100% VOTE TO MAKE THE CHANGE OR A MAJORITY VOTE.

>> REMEMBER THAT THE PID IS A BOUNDARY.

IT'S NOT A SEPARATE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION.

IT'S JUST A BOUNDARY IN WHICH THE CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU ALL TAKE THE ACTIONS THAT IMPACT AND AFFECT IT.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS CAN SUBMIT, JUST LIKE ANY RESIDENT OR ANY PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CITY CAN SUBMIT TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR TO STAFF ANY COMMENTS OR ANY ISSUES THAT THEY WOULD WISH TO ADDRESS.

I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS OF OF THE STAFF ADDRESSING THAT AND BRINGING IT TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION.

>> JUST TO PUT A BOW ON THAT, ULTIMATELY, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.

>> YES. BECAUSE YOU ARE THE DE FACTO.

IT IS THE CITY'S PID BECAUSE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ASSETS AND MAINTAINING THEM TO THE REQUEST AT HIGHER LEVEL.

>> BUT JUST LIKE YOU SAID IT VERY WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF DATES THAT WE COULD START THERE AND GET TO US EVENTUALLY.

BUT AS YOU SAID, WE WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE ARBITER OF WHETHER WE WANT TO DO THAT OR NOT.

>> CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU. MR. FRANKS.

>> I DON'T THINK THIS IS YOUR QUESTION. JUST IN CASE.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I'M READING THE MAP, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE HOSPITAL IS NOT IN IT, BUT THE MOB IS.

CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT THAT'S ACCURATE?

>> YES. YOU ARE CORRECT.

>> IT WAS A QUESTION FOR YOU, AREN'T?

>> SORRY.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT. WHEN THE PID WAS INITIALLY CREATED,

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THAT PROPERTY WAS EXPRESSLY EXCLUDED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT OWNED BY THE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT GROUP THAT WAS DOING THE ENTIRE STATION PID.

HOWEVER, SUBSEQUENT TO THE PIDS CREATION, THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE PD ADJACENT TO THE HOSPITAL WAS SOLD OFF TO THE MOB DEVELOPER.

THEY DID DEVELOP, AND THEY DO HAVE A PID ASSESSMENT, AND THEY BEING THE MOB, DOES PARTICIPATE IN BOTH THE CAPITAL PID AND THE O&M PID.

>> PERFECT. THANKS.

>> YES, SIR.

>> MS. PETER.

HI, THERE. CAN YOU GO OVER THE PROCESS IN WHICH IF YOU WERE TO BUY A NEW HOME IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW WOULD YOU AGREE TO THE PID? IS THIS SOMETHING YOU SAID THAT THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2020 SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE DEVELOPMENT? WHEN ALL THESE RESIDENTS MOVED IN, THEY DID AGREE TO THE PID PREVIOUSLY?

>> YES, MA'AM. EXCELLENT QUESTION.

WITH THE CREATION OF THE PID AND THE FIRST LEVY, NOTICES WERE REQUIRED TO BE SENT OUT.

EVERY YEAR, THE SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN IS FILED IN THE REAL PROPERTY RECORDS, BUT MORE THAN THAT, THE PROPERTY TAX CODE WAS CHANGED SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO REQUIRE MANDATORY DISCLOSURE.

THERE'S TWO TYPE OF DISCLOSURES.

A HOME OWNER WHO IS PURCHASING A PROPERTY.

THERE'S USUALLY TWO STEPS, YOU ENTER INTO A CONTRACT, AND THEN YOU HAVE A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.

AT THE FIRST ENTERING OF A CONTRACT, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DISCLOSURE GIVEN TO YOU.

THAT DISCLOSURE IS ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THIS DOCUMENT.

WHEN IT'S FILED IN THE REAL PROPERTY RECORDS, REALTORS OR TITLE COMPANIES CAN FIND THAT CORRECT DISCLOSURE AND UTILIZE IT.

THAT'S THE FIRST ROUND OF DISCLOSURES.

THE SECOND DISCLOSURE ACTUALLY COMES AT THE TIME OF THE CONTRACT BEING FINALIZED AND MONEY, EXCHANGING HANDS.

THAT DISCLOSURE IS NOTARIZED AND THAT DISCLOSURE IS ACTUALLY FILED IN THE REAL PROPERTY RECORDS.

EVERY INDIVIDUAL THAT'S BUYING PROPERTY, NOT JUST A HOMEOWNER, BUT EVEN A COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL PROPERTY, THEY ALL HAVE TO GET THE SAME DISCLOSURE.

THE DISCLOSURE IS ALL TIED TO THE TAX PARCEL ID FROM THIS DOCUMENT, AND SO THEY CAN GO LOOK IT UP.

AGAIN, IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE SO THEY CAN ACCESS IT.

THERE'S A BUTTON THAT ACTUALLY SAYS DISCLOSURE FORMS, AND THEY CAN PULL DOWN THE DISCLOSURE AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT ONES.

BUT YES, MA'AM. THOSE ARE ALL REQUIRED TO BE DISCLOSED TO DIFFERENT PLACES DURING THAT REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> MR. PRESENBERG.

>> COUNCILMAN [INAUDIBLE], JUST ASKED MY QUESTION, SO I'M GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> SHE STOLE MINE TOO YOU. I WAS ABOUT TO ASK IT, SO GOOD JOB, MS. BULLER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? I THINK YOU CAN SIT DOWN NOW, BUT [OVERLAPPING].

>> OKAY.

>> DON'T GO FAR. I HAD A PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OF STAFF.

MORE QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS. MS. HOWARTH.

I'M ON A ROLL TONIGHT.

>> YEAH.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM E-1 AS PRESENTED.

>> MOTION BY MS. HOWARTH TO APPROVE ITEM E-1 IS PRESENTED, TO HAVE A SECOND, MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS.

>> SECOND.

>> SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE SKETCH IT OUT.

MOTION [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU, MS. BETTY.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, ITEM TWO,

[2. Conduct a public hearing to consider approval of an ordinance granting Special Use Permit No. 25-01 authorizing Lot 2, Block A, Woodbridge Village, an addition to the City of Sachse, Collin County, Texas, presently zoned Planned Development No. 11 with a base zoning of C-1 Neighborhood Shopping District and C-2 General Commercial District, to be used for Child Care Center (Day Care) use, generally located south of State Highway 78 and east of Woodbridge Parkway, within Sachse city limits; approving development regulations; providing a conflicts resolution clause; providing a severability clause; providing a savings clause; providing a penalty of fine not to exceed the sum of Two Thousand Dollars ($2,000.00) for each offense; and providing for an effective date.]

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE GRANTING SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 25-01, AUTHORIZING LOT 2 BLOCK A, WOODBRIDGE VILLAGE.

EXCUSE ME, IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF SACHSE, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.

PRESENTLY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 11 WITH THE BASE ZONING OF C1 NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING DISTRICT AND C2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, TO BE USED FOR CHILDCARE CENTER FOR INSTANCES DAYCARE USE.

GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF STATE HIGHWAY 78 AND EAST OF WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY WITHIN SACHSE CITY LIMITS, APPROVING DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, PROVIDING A CONFLICT RESOLUTION CLAUSE, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE, PROVIDING A PENALTY OF A FINDING NOT TO EXCEED THE SUM OF $2,000 FOR EACH OFFENSE, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MS. NASH.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WELL, MAYOR YOU TEED IT UP QUITE WELL THERE.

IT SAYS A LOT IN THAT REALLY LONG CAP.

>> I THANK JOE FOR THAT.

>> BUT MATT ROBINSON, OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR WILL BE GIVING YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION TONIGHT ABOUT A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE VICTORY SHOPS IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY AT THE CORNER OF WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY AND 78, AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR AN SUP FOR A DAYCARE.

THAT IS HERE TO PRESENT.

>> THANK YOU, MS. NASH. HELLO MR. ROBINSON.

>> HELLO MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL.

AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A DAYCARE USE, GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTH OF STATE HIGHWAY 78 AND EAST OF WOOD RIDGE PARKWAY.

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JUST SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROPERTY. IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT.

IT'S ADJACENT TO THE 711 AND THE JAKES AND LEARNING EXPERIENCE PROPERTY TO THE EAST.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 5.3 ACRES IN SIZE.

CHAPTER 11 OF THE SACHSE ORDINANCES REQUIRES CHILDCARE CENTERS OR DAYCARE USES TO OBTAIN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO LEGALLY OPERATE IN A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

SP IS REQUIRED FOR USES THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE MAY ALLOW, BUT USES THAT REQUIRE SITUATIONAL SUITABILITY.

THINGS THAT NEED A LITTLE BIT OF CLOSER EXAMINATION, WHETHER IT BE FOR NOISE, SITE ISSUES, ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTIES.

THE ABOVE MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

ONE THING TO NOTE ON THIS IS, WHILE THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN BLUE, THE SPECIFIC LOCATION OF THE DAYCARE IS DICTATED BY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS THE NEXT SLIDE.

ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.

THE DAYCARE USE IS LOCATED IN THE BUILDING ON THE SOUTH TO THE RIGHT WITH THE BLUE STAR.

IT IS PART OF A OVERALL DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE'S TWO PAD SITES TO THE NORTH ALONG HIGHWAY 78, AND A SHOPPING CENTER TO THE WEST ALONG WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY.

AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THERE WOULD BE A SIX FOOT TALL MASONRY WALL LOCATED ALONG THE REAR POP LINE ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ALL LIGHTING WOULD HAVE TO BE SHIELDED TO MEET CITY STANDARDS.

IN ADDITION, THERE IS A REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE WITH CANOPY TREES PLANTED AT 50 FEET ON CENTER TO HELP MITIGATE ANY OF THE LIGHT AND NOISE ISSUES FROM THE PROPOSED USE.

THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES IN THIS AREA.

A DAYCARE USE WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN SUPPORTS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST.

WITH THE PROPOSED USE, STAFF HAD SOME GENERAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF ANOTHER DAYCARE ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING DAYCARE TO THE EAST, THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE.

FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HAVING ANOTHER PLAYGROUND NEXT TO ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD USES, SO YOU HAVE TWO DAYCARES NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

THAT'S WHERE STAFF'S GENERAL CONCERN CAME FROM.

AT THE AUGUST 11, REGULAR MEETING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VOTED 60 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED USE, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THEY ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THE COUNCIL.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. ROBINSON.

BEFORE WE DO THAT, QUESTIONS FOR MR. ROBINSON OR STAFF FROM COUNCIL. MS. HOWARTH.

>> THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN SEP FOR THE DAYCARE, BUT HAVE THEY SUBMITTED PLANS FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THAT PLAN OR THEY'RE JUST BUILDING THE DAYCARE?

>> IF GO BACK TO THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.

THE MCDONALD'S HAS SUBMITTED FOR THEIR SITE PLAN, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH, RIGHT RIGHT SOUTH OF HIGHWAY GATE.

>> BLOCK 2, BLOCK A?

>> YES. THAT BLOCK. THEN TO THE WEST, THEY HAD INITIAL PLAN SUBMITTED FOR THE RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER.

THEN THE UPPER LEFT, THE OTHER PAD SITE, THERE'S A PROPOSED LANES CHICKEN FINGERS THAT HAS YET TO SUBMIT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I WOULD JUST INTERJECT FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY BE WATCHING THE EXISTING 711.

IS THAT THE [OVERLAPPING].

>> CORRECT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED PROPERTY HERE.

>> NO. PEOPLE THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE FINDING OUT WHERE IT IS.

MR. [INAUDIBLE].

>> YOU SAY THIS IS ABOUT 5.3 ACRES.

IS THIS 5.3 ACRE DEDICATED JUST FOR THE DAYCARE? IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET IT REZONED TO REPLANTED?

>> NO. THE LOT HAS YET TO BE SUBDIVIDED.

THE OVERALL LOT AREA IS 5.3 ACRES, THE AREA THAT DOES NOT ENCOMPASS THE 711 AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.

THE ACTUAL DAYCARE USE ITSELF IS A MUCH SMALLER COMPONENT.

IT'S A COMPONENT OF THAT BUILDING THAT IS PROPOSED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.

ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE DAYCARE HAS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS FAR AS THE SEP.

>> I BELIEVE I REMEMBER WHEN THIS AREA WAS BEING DEVELOPED, WE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT SURFACE WATER RUNOFF AND FLOODING AND ALL OF THAT.

WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A UNDERGROUND WATER RETENTION POND.

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THIS IS GOING TO ADD MORE CONCRETE, SO WE'LL HAVE MORE RUNOFF.

ARE WE HAVING TO MODIFY OUR WATER RETENTION CAPACITY IN THAT AREA?

>> THIS SITE WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL DETENTION STANDARDS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THIS.

>> THAT'S INCLUDED IN THEIR PLAN TO ADD TO THE WATER RETENTION CAPACITY?

>> THIS IS THE INITIAL STAGE OF THE PLANS.

>> OKAY.

>> THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PLANS AT THE NEXT STAGE.

>> OKAY.

>> I THINK, MR. ROBINSON, IT LOOKS LIKE OUT OF FIVE ACRES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS 1.172.

>> YES.

>> JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, HOW MUCH [OVERLAPPING].

>> THE APPROXIMATE LOT SIZE OF MATTERS.

>> THE LOT SIZE. GOT IT.

>> YEAH.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL, MR. [INAUDIBLE].

>> THE MAIN CONCERNS FROM STAFF, WAS IT DUE TO THE OTHER CHILDCARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR OR WOULD BE RIGHT NEXT DOOR? I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO OTHER BUSINESSES, BUT IS THERE A NEED, I GUESS, FOR THIS, RIGHT?

>> AS FAR AS THE NEED GOES, THAT IS A PRIVATE MATTER AS WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE DEMAND THAT WOULD NECESSITATE THIS ADDITIONAL USE.

AS FAR AS STAFF'S CONCERNS, IT'S RELATED TO THE CONCENTRATION OF TWO DAYCARES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

>> I TRAVELED DOWN WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY QUITE A BIT AND I SAW THE SIGN THERE THEY HAVE POSTED FOR A WHILE.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY FEEDBACK OR STUFF FROM CITIZENS ABOUT THE CONCERNS OF WHAT IT MIGHT BE OR?

>> WE'VE RECEIVED TWO PHONE CALLS.

ONE WAS ABOUT A NOTICE THAT THEY DID NOT RECEIVE.

THEY THEY FELL WITHOUT OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION DISTANCE, BUT THEY SAW THE SIGN AND WANTED TO REACH OUT AND ASK ABOUT THE PROPOSED USE.

THEN ONCE IT WAS CONFIRMED THAT IT WAS A FOR PROPOSED DAYCARE USE, THEY HAD NO ISSUES.

>> THE OTHER ONE?

>> IT WAS JUST WHAT IS COMING HERE.

>> OKAY.

>> YOU GOOD FOR THAT?

>> AS COUNCILWOMAN HOWARTH, THE OTHER DESIGNS HAVEN'T BEEN SUBMITTED YET, SO I JUST I'M LOOKING AT PARKING SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE IT GETS CRAZY OVER THERE ON CERTAIN DAYS AND STUFF.

I AM INTERESTED IN THE OTHER THINGS.

MY CONCERN IS ENTITIES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER THAT OFFER PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.

IF THERE'S OVERFLOW, I GET IT, BUT I'M OUT OF THAT MINDSET RIGHT NOW WITH MY KIDDOS, AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEED IS FOR.

>> THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT, AND I'M HERE TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LET THEM HAVE THEIR PRESENTATION AND [OVERLAPPING].

>> WE HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS COUNCIL.

>> I'M GOOD.

>> I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE FOR YOU, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT. MAYOR, PREM TEM FRANK.

>> DID YOU SAY THERE WAS A PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT?

>> YES. AFTER STAFF IS DONE.

>> I'M GOING TO WAIT TILL AFTER THIS.

>> OKAY. MR. [INAUDIBLE].

>> I GUESS I MIGHT AS WELL THROW IT OUT.

AT THE PNZ, I'VE HEARD A RUMOR THAT, AND I'M HOPING IT'S A RUMOR, THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED POSSIBLY THAT THIS WOULD BE CATERING TOWARDS NON ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE.

IS THIS TRUE? WAS THAT DISCUSSED?

>> I BELIEVE THE BRAND NAME IS CALLED SPANISH SCHOOLHOUSE, SO IT'S A SPANISH IMMERSION SCHOOL.

>> I WOULD NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL [OVERLAPPING].

>> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIMITED TO [OVERLAPPING].

>> NO.

>> OKAY.

>> THAT SHOULD HAVE NO BEARING ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF THE SUP.

THE SUP IS BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY, IT'S ALLOWED BY ZONING WITH THE SEP. WE'RE SIMPLY VOTING ON THE USE.

>> MR. ROBINSON DIDN'T MENTION THAT THE APPLICANT HAD A PRESENTATION, SO WITH THAT, I THINK, MR. ROBINSON, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME UP AND PRESENT.

CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME IN CITY OF RESIDENCE.

>> I OWE YOU. [INAUDIBLE] WITH VICTORY REAL ESTATE GROUP, AND WE'RE LOCATED AT 6:10 SOUTH SHERMAN STREET IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS.

>> THANKS, SIR.

>> WE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROPERTY.

>> JUST PULL THAT MIC DOWN A LITTLE.

THERE YOU GO. SORRY, GUYS. THERE WE GO.

>> WE'RE THE DEVELOPER BEHIND THIS PROPERTY.

I REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON TWO THINGS TONIGHT WITH YOU.

ONE, THE REASON WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT TO OUR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, AS WE LOOK AT IT FROM A STRATEGIC PERSPECTIVE, AS WELL AS REALLY DIFFERENTIATE THE USE CASE FOR A SPANISH SCHOOLHOUSE ANOTHER DAYCARE OR PRE K FACILITY.

AS WE LOOK AT OUR PROPERTY, WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED,

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WE ARE ANTICIPATING PUTTING THE SPANISH SCHOOLHOUSE IN THAT KIND OF SOUTHEAST CORNER.

REALLY THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS WE LOOK AT REALLY CREATING TRAFFIC AND THROUGHPUT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR RETAIL BUILDING IS OVER ON THAT SOUTHWEST SIDE THERE, WHICH IS NOT OFF THE FRONTAGE ROAD.

YOU'VE GOT TO GO DOWN WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY TO GET THERE.

AS WE LOOK AT REALLY ACTIVATING THIS DEVELOPMENT AND BRINGING IN ATTRACTIVE TENANTS, SPECIFICALLY RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS, THEY NEED THE FOOT TRAFFIC.

THEY NEED THE THROUGH TRAFFIC THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BEST USE FOR HOW WE UTILIZE THIS LAND, ADDING A SCHOOL, WHICH WILL INCORPORATE 150 TO 200 STUDENTS A DAY, BOTH MORNING AND IN AFTERNOON PICKUP, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY ATTRACTIVE TO OUR RETAIL TENANTS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

NOW I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SCHOOL ITSELF, REALLY THEIR FOCUS AND WHY THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE SO SUCCESSFUL THROUGHOUT THE DFW METROPLEX, BUT SPECIFICALLY IN SITUATIONS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE HERE IN SACHSE.

SPANISH SCHOOLHOUSE STARTED IN 1999.

THEIR FIRST LOCATION OPENED IN PRISCO, TEXAS IN 2003.

THEY CURRENTLY HAVE 19 LOCATIONS HERE IN TEXAS, 13 NDFW.

THIS IS A PROVEN CONCEPT, AND WE KNOW HOW IT WORKS AND CAN ESTIMATE, ENROLLEES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE UNDERSTAND THE DEMAND. THEY SERVE OVER 20,000 CHILDREN CURRENTLY, AND IT IS THE NATION'S LARGEST LANGUAGE IMMERSION PRESCHOOL.

>> THEIR MISSION IS REALLY BROKEN UP INTO FOUR KEY COMPONENTS.

THE TWO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON TONIGHT IS THAT SECOND AND FOURTH, WHICH IS THE SPANISH LANGUAGE AND CULTURE.

SPANISH SCHOOL HOUSE IS A SPANISH IMMERSION PRESCHOOL.

AS SOON AS THE STUDENTS ARRIVE DURING THE DAY, THEIR ENTIRE DAY IS SPOKEN IN SPANISH.

THEY'RE LEARNING FOREIGN LANGUAGE, THEY'RE ALSO BEING EXPOSED TO THE CULTURE OF THE SPANISH CULTURE.

A LOT OF THEIR ACTIVITIES, THEIR PROGRAMS, THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING, THEIR PROJECTS, IT REALLY COMES WITH A GLOBAL MINDSET.

NOT ONLY ARE THEY OBVIOUSLY BASED IN SACHSE, TEXAS, BUT ALSO THEY'RE BEING EXPOSED TO OTHER CULTURES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

HERE ARE THE KEY DEMOGRAPHICS FOR STUDENTS THAT ARE ENROLLED IN SPANISH SCHOOLHOUSE.

THIS REALLY FITS EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE LOCATED HERE IN SACHSE.

THE STUDENTS ARE BETWEEN 18 MONTHS AND 5-YEARS-OLD.

TYPICALLY, THE FAMILY HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS AROUND $115,000 WITH HOME VALUES $400-750,000.

IT'S A DUAL INCOME HOUSEHOLD.

THEY TYPICALLY HAVE 1-3 CHILDREN ENROLLED AT THE SCHOOL.

ONE KEY PIECE THAT I PUT ON THIS SLIDE WAS ABOUT 70% OF THE FAMILIES THAT ENROLL ARE FLUENT ENGLISH SPEAKERS.

SO 70% OF THE CHILDREN ARE LEARNING SPANISH AT AN EARLY AGE AND BEING EXPOSED TO THE SPANISH CULTURE.

THAT ALSO MEANS THAT 30% ARE NATIVE SPANISH SPEAKERS.

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND CHILDCARE WHERE THEY CAN JOIN THE COMMUNITY, WHERE THEY CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR TEACHERS, WHERE THEY CAN SPEAK IN THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE.

THIS IS REALLY DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN SPANISH SCHOOLHOUSE AND OTHER DAYCARE FACILITIES.

WHEN YOU COMPARE TO, I THINK YOUR TYPICAL DAYCARE OR MAYBE A MONTESSORI OFFERING, SPANISH SCHOOLHOUSE REALLY FOCUSES ON ACTIVITIES, LATIN MUSIC, INSPIRED PHYSICAL MOVEMENT, AND DEVELOPING GROSS MOTOR SKILLS.

ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THEY DO THIS IS THROUGH THEIR CENTRAL PLAZA.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL HALLWAYS WITH CLASSROOMS AROUND THE SIDE.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A CENTER PLAZA OR CORRIDOR.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURES, IT LOOKS THEY'RE IN A CITY CENTER.

THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF THEIR ACTIVITIES ARE PERFORMED, A LOT OF THEIR PROJECTS, DANCES, PHYSICAL MOVEMENT, THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS.

ANOTHER KEY DIFFERENTIATION IS SPANISH SCHOOLHOUSES ARE TYPICALLY 125 STUDENTS GIVE OR TAKE, WHERE OTHER DAYCARE FACILITIES ARE UP IN THE 250-300 STUDENT RANGE.

THIS IS IMPACTFUL, OBVIOUSLY ON THE STUDENT TO TEACHER RATIO, AND JUST BEING REALLY PART OF A COMMUNITY AND SHARING THAT COMMUNITY WITH THE STUDENTS AND THE FAMILIES THEMSELVES.

LET'S SEE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THESE NEXT SLIDES IS THEY'VE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL TRACK RECORD WORKING OR BEING ESTABLISHED NEXT TO OTHER DAYCARES AND SPECIFICALLY AROUND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED PART OF THIS MEETING, I THINK THE TYPICAL COMMUTE TIME FOR A DAYCARE IS 5-10 MINUTES FOR A PARENT TO DROP OFF THEIR CHILDREN.

BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT EASE OF ACCESS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING NEXT TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AT SPANISH SCHOOLHOUSE, THE TYPICAL COMMUTE IS 15-20 MINUTES, AND THEY'VE GOT SOME STUDENTS THAT ARE WILLING TO TRAVEL UP TO 45 MINUTES IN A SINGLE DIRECTION BECAUSE THEY'RE AFTER THIS EXPERIENCE FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE UP IN FRISCO, WHERE AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A SPANISH SCHOOLHOUSE FACILITY AS WELL AS AN ESSENTIALS PRESCHOOL, WHICH LITERALLY SHARE A PARKING LOT.

THIS IS ONE OF THEIR FLAGSHIP LOCATIONS.

THEY'VE BEEN ON WAIT LIST FOR NEW ENROLLEES FOR THE PAST, I THINK, FIVE YEARS.

THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH DEMAND.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO OPEN UP MORE LOCATIONS TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS.

THEN HERE'S A LOCATION THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO SACHSE.

AGAIN, RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO OUR KIDS.

OUR KIDS SHARE A PARKING LOT.

THEN ACTUALLY GOT IN CUT OFF ON THIS PICTURE, BUT IN ABOVE THE RED BOX THERE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL.

IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR DEVELOPMENT HERE IN SACHSE AS FAR AS PROXIMITY AND BEING COMBINED WITH RETAIL UP FRONT WITH DAYCARE OR PRE K EDUCATION IN THE REAR.

THAT BRINGS US BACK TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.

AS WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, THIS HAS GOT SOME LOGOS ON IT, BUT WE WILL BE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE LEARNING CENTER.

BUT AS WE'VE SEEN, THIS HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THE PAST, AND WE REALLY DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THE LOCATION, WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THE OTHER SCHOOL OR BEING RIGHT UP AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IN THE BACK.

THAT'S IT. I'D LIKE TO TAKE QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM COUNCIL? IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO HANG AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

THERE MAY BE OTHER QUESTIONS LATER.

WITH THAT, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. THE TIME, MRS. GRANGER.

>> 7:28 PM.

>> 7:28 PM.

PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS CARDS.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

EXCUSE ME, SEEING NON AT ALL, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. TIME MRS. GRANGER.

>> 7:28 PM.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AT 7:28 PM.

COUNCIL HAS HEARD FROM THE, EXCUSE ME, HEAR FROM STAFF AND THE APPLICANTS.

OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. LINDSAY?

>> YES SO AS WITH ALL SPECIAL USE PERMITS, THE PARTICULAR APPLICANT COULD CHANGE, SO WHO'S PRESENT AS THE APPLICANT TONIGHT? SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN AND ANOTHER APPLICANT COULD COME IN UNDERNEATH THE SUP OR ANOTHER PLACE OF BUSINESS.

>> CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT?

>> I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MR. ROBINSON.

>> YES. THAT IS CORRECT.

AN SUP RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY, SO IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS AN SUP FOR A DAYCARE.

IF ANOTHER DAYCARE DECIDES TO LEAVE ANOTHER DAYCARE COULD COME INTO PLACE, JUST AS IF YOU ALWAYS USE THE ANALOGY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ISSUE AN SUP FOR A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT.

IT'S MCDONALD'S. MAYBE, JOE'S SUBSHOP, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

IT'S THE SUP FOR A RESTAURANT THAT YOU'RE FOCUSED ON NOT THE BRAND.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD A SUBSHOP [LAUGHTER].

>> UNKNOWN SECRET. JUST TO CLARIFY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE SAME LAYOUT WITHIN THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IT COULDN'T INCREASE SQUARE FOOTAGE WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE BOAT.

>> BUT TO MR. LINDSAY'S POINT, THEY COULDN'T CHANGE OPERATIONS.

AS LONG AS THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, THEY WOULDN'T COME BACK TO[OVERLAPPING] CORRECT?

>> YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT THE APPLICANT, I'M SURE, AS WELL.

THIS IS REALLY A SHELL BUILDING, IT'S NOT A PURPOSE BUILT BUILDING LIKE SOME OF THE LARGER DAYCARE FACILITY THAT WE HAD.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE PLANNING ZONING MEETING A SUITE AT THE END THAT WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT TEN IN IT, AND THE REST OF THAT SHELL BUILDING WILL BE THIS DAYCARE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, SO IF THEY WANTED TO EXPAND WITHIN THAT SHELL BUILDING TO PICK UP THE ENTIRE BUILDING, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR A REVISED SUP.

>> THEN I'M ALSO LOOKING AT FUTURE USES.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE TRENDS CHANGE IN OUR AREA TEN YEARS FROM NOW, AND WHAT SOME AREAS HAVE SEEN AT LEAST WITH ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS HAVING CLOSED DOWN JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T HAVING AS MANY KIDS AS THEY ONCE HAD THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, IT COULD EASILY BE REPURPOSED.

THAT SUITE COULD BE REBUILT OUT AND CONVERTED TO ANOTHER TYPE OF BUSINESS FAIRLY EASILY.

>> CORRECT. IT COULD BE REPURPOSED BACK INTO ANOTHER RETAIL STRIP CENTER OR RETAIL BUILDING.

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IF YOU RECALL BACK ON MILES ROAD, THERE WAS A SUP FOR A VIRTUAL REALITY CENTER.

THAT NEVER WENT IN, SO IT'S STILL VACANT FOR ANOTHER USER.

OR IF SOMETHING ELSE WANTED TO GO IN AT A LATER DATE, AS LONG AS IT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE ZONING, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

>> THEN FROM ATTENDING THAT PNC MEETING, THE ONLY CONCERNS I HEARD WAS THE CONTINUITY OF THE BRICK WALL FENCE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS, SO I THINK THAT WAS WELL ADDRESSED.

I WAS GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT CONTINUITY.

THERE WAS ALSO THE QUESTION OF THE DISTANCE TO THE LIQUOR STORE THERE, THE SPECS THERE, AND IT'S WELL OUTSIDE THE LEGAL LIMIT AS WELL.

>> AS FAR AS DAYCARES GO, SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES GOING IN, THEY'RE NOT THE ONES SUBJECT TO THAT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.

IT'S THE ACTUAL LIQUOR STORE ITSELF THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT REQUIREMENT.

>> THEN JUST AS FAR AS USES, THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES BECAUSE ALL OF THE ACTIVITY IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE DURING THE DAY AND THEN BY THE TIME EVENING ROLLS AROUND, THEY TYPICALLY WILL NOT HAVE ANY TRAFFIC THERE EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ON SPECIAL PRESENTATION NIGHTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD IMAGINE.

ALL IN ALL, I LOVE THE CONCEPT.

I HOPE IT GOES THROUGH, AND WE SEE THIS.

A LOT OF US TOOK SPANISH CLASS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND REMEMBER ZERO OF IT.

IF WE CAN TAKE, 70% OF NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS AND IMMERSE THEM IN SPANISH, AND MAYBE THAT LANGUAGE WILL STICK WITH THEM.

IT'S VERY INTRIGUING, BUT I DEFINITELY AM BASING THIS DECISION OFF OF THE USE AS A DAYCARE.

I REALLY DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH IT.

I APPRECIATE THAT STAFF BROUGHT IT FORWARD WITH THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE OTHER ADJOINING DAYCARE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE FINE.

>> COULD YOU PASS SPANISH ONE AGAIN. SAY NOTHING.

>> [FOREIGN].

>> I COULDN'T EITHER [INAUDIBLE]. MAYOR PRESIDENT FRANKS.

>> I THINK AS WE DO FROM TIME TO TIME, WE GET IN THE WEEDS AND TALK ABOUT THINGS AND WHAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A ZONING SUP REQUEST, NOT A USE, NOT A NEED OF THE COMMUNITY.

I KNOW THAT THEY BROUGHT THAT FORTH, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

AS I LOOK AT OUR TRUSTY GOOGLE MAP THAT WE GO TO, THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH, ESSENTIALLY DAYCARE WITHIN A HALF A MILE RADIUS THAT I FOUND.

THIS IS ONE OF OUR FEW COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GUIDE THIS THE WAY WE WANT, AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE BEST USE FOR ME.

>> MS. AGNES.

>> I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FRANKS.

I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT ANOTHER DAYCARE GOING NEXT TO A DAYCARE IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM A DAYCARE AND HAS A GIANT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HALFWAY DOWN THE BLOCK.

THERE'S PLENTY OF TRAFFIC.

I WOULD AS A COUNCIL MEMBER WITH LIMITED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AVAILABILITY IN THIS CITY, I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS HIGHEST AND BEST USE.

>> MS. BEELER.

>> I ALSO WAS INITIALLY CONCERNED WITH THIS USE TAKING UP OUR VALUABLE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, BUT THIS BEING USED AS A CATALYST TO ACTIVATE THE OTHER ADJACENT AREAS WITH THAT FOOT TRAFFIC, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAMS ARE HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER IN EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION.

I KNOW THAT I WOULD HAVE ENROLLED MY KIDS IF THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG, SO I SUPPORT THIS.

>> MR. PRESENBERG.

>> I HAD A QUESTION ON JUST THE DESIGN OR THE LAYOUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR YOU OR WHO, BUT I'VE ZOOMED IN ON 20 OF YOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.

I DO SEE SOME OR LIKE YOU SAID ADJACENT TO OTHER CHILDCARE FACILITIES, BUT WHAT MAKES YOU DECIDE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND OR NOT? I KNOW THIS IS MORE OF A USE THING, BUT JUST CURIOUS FROM LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD STANDPOINT, THERE'S SOME LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ALL CONTAINED.

THEN THERE'S SOME LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE A DECENT SIZED PLAYGROUND ATTACHED.

>>WE NEED TO DEVELOP A PLAYGROUND, PROVIDE A PLAYGROUND FOR THE CHILDREN.

BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING SIZE THAT THEY'RE AFTER, THEY REALLY WANT TO UTILIZE THAT INTERIOR CORRIDOR FOR THEIR INDOOR ACTIVITIES.

THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, LET'S PUT AN OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND IN PLACE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS BUILDING IS, WELL, I CAN'T TELL IT HERE, BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN THE DAYCARE NEXT DOOR.

TYPICALLY THE PLAYGROUNDS FOLLOW THE BUILDING SIZE.THIS I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 1,000 SQUARE FEET RIGHT THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE THERE.

THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL FOR THE SCHOOL AND MOST SUCCESSFUL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IN TOTAL.

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>> THANK YOU. I GOT MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THIS.

I LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALTERNATIVES THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR PRESIDENT FRANKS.

>> THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY ABOUT THE PRESENTATION IS I THINK THIS IS A DEVELOPER AND A FRANCHISEES DREAM TO PUT A DAYCARE RIGHT BEHIND A MCDONALD'S.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T WANT A MCDONALD'S. THAT'S GOING TO COME.

IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T WANT THEM, BUT THAT'S NOT A THING THAT I WANT.

I WANT A MORE DESIRABLE LOCATION, SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ENTICE ME WITH MORE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOT TO BE BETTER THAN FAST FOOD.

>> MS. ROBSS, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, YOU MENTIONED THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

FROM WHAT I READ FROM YOUR REPORT, NO CONFLICTS THERE.

DEFINITELY A CONSISTENT USE WITH WHAT.

THEN THE BIG BACK ON WHAT MR. LINDSAY SAID, IT IS A NICE BUFFER USE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT OUR RETAIL SPACE.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THAT LEFT.

AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S NOT AN IDEALLY GREAT PLACE FOR RETAIL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FRONTAGE ON 78 OR WOOD REF WAY.

FOR ME, I THINK WHEN YOU COMBINE ALL THOSE THINGS, I DO LIKE THE CONCEPT.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I THINK IT'S A USE THAT FITS WHERE IT'S PROPOSED BASED ON THOSE BUFFER FUNDED RESIDENTS.

IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE BEST RETAIL OF PAD, SO I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S A GOOD USE, SO I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT IT.

IT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

MORE OF A COMMENTARY, I GUESS. DEFINITELY HAD TO DISCUSS.

WHEN WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT MORE, WE CAN.

IF NOT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN MOST. MR. LINDSAY?

>> YES, SIR. I MAKE A MOTION OR YOU APPROVE ITEM E2 AS PRESENTED.

>> MOTION BY MR. LINDSAY TO APPROVE ITEM 2 IS PRESENTED TO SECOND. MS. BEELER.

>> SECOND.

>> SECONDED BY MS. BEELER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE. CAST YOUR BALANCE.

>> MOTION FAILS WITH MR. FRANKS VOTING NO. MISS HOWARD VOTING NO.

MR. MILLSAP VOTING NO, AND MR. PRESENBERG VOTING NO. MOTION DOES FAIL.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, ITEM 3,

[3. Consider an ordinance of the City Council of Sachse, Texas, authorizing certain budget and Capital Improvement Plan amendments pertaining to the Fiscal Year 2024-2025 Budget and Capital Improvement Plan; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER AN ORDER SO THE CITY OF SACHSE, TEXAS, AUTHORIZE IN CERTAIN BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AMENDMENTS PERTAINING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2024, 2025 BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND PROVIDED AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MISS NASH.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION HERE FOR THE FY 24, 25 BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT DAVID BALDWIN WILL NEED TO GO OVER WITH YOU.

BUT YOU'LL SEE ONCE WE WORK THROUGH THIS ITEM, AS WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE AMENDMENTS TO THE CURRENT BUDGET, WE WILL MOVE VERY QUICKLY INTO THE ADOPTION OF THE 25, 26 BUDGET, RATIFYING THE PROPERTY TAX RATE AND GOING THROUGH THE OTHER PROPERTY TAX ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL OF THESE IN RAPID SUCCESSION AS WE DO EVERY YEAR.

BUT DAVID DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION HERE ABOUT THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT HE WILL BRIEFLY GO OVER AND THEN GO THROUGH THE OTHER ITEMS, REALLY AVAILABLE TO BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU MISS NASH. HELLO, MR. BALDWIN.

>> HELLO, MAYOR. COUNCIL. CLEARING THE WAY FOR THE FUTURE BUDGET, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT BUDGET AND GO OVER SOME BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

THE CURRENT BUDGET WAS ADOPTED SEPTEMBER 16, 2024.

I CAME TO YOU ON APRIL 21 WITH BUDGET AMENDMENTS, AND I'M BACK TO YOU TODAY REQUESTING FURTHER BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

I BRING TO YOU FOUR DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING BUDGET AMENDMENTS IN.

THE FIRST ONE IS IN THE GENERAL FUND.

WE ARE REQUESTING EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY FOR PREVIOUSLY UNBUDGETED REVENUE.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, FIRE RESCUE STAFF PROVIDED ASSISTANCE TO JURISDICTIONS IN NEED APRIL THROUGH JULY.

FOR THESE VARIOUS EVENTS, THEY WERE HELPING WITH EXTREME FLOODING AND SEVERE WEATHER.

THOSE DEPLOYMENTS INCLUDED PAYROLL COSTS, TRAVEL, FOOD, AND LODGING.

ALL OF THOSE COSTS ARE 100% REIMBURSABLE BY TDEM OR THE TEXAS DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

AS REVENUE IS COMING IN FOR EXPENDITURES THAT ALREADY HAPPENED, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY ON THOSE FUNDS. ON THE NEXT ONE.

THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND.

WE'RE REQUESTING EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY FOR A PREVIOUSLY UNBUDGETED PROJECT.

FUNDS WERE PREVIOUSLY TRANSFERRED FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, BUT NO PROJECT OR SPECIFIC EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY WAS REQUESTED AT BUDGET ADOPTION,

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SO THIS IS JUST REQUESTING A PROJECT TO EXPEND THE FUNDS ALREADY TRANSFERRED TO THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND.

IT IS A NEW PROJECT, PROJECT F2513, WHICH IS THE EDC STRATEGIC PLAN.

IN THIS ONE, IT IS A REQUEST FOR THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, SO INCREASING THE FUND APPROPRIATION AND ALSO ADDING THE PROJECT, SO IT WOULD IMPACT ALSO EXHIBIT B OF THE ADOPTED BUDGET DOCUMENT.

IN THE IMPACT FEE FUND, WE'RE REQUESTING EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY FOR TRANSFER OF REMAINING FUND BALANCE.

THERE'S CURRENTLY ONE IMPACT FEE FUND, AND WE ARE TRYING TO TRANSFER ALL OF THOSE REVENUES TO THREE SPECIFIC FUNDS, THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE FUND, THE SEWER IMPACT FEE FUND, AND THE WATER IMPACT FEE FUND.

WE'RE JUST DIVIDING THE ACTIVITY INTO SPECIFIC FUNDS TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT TO MAKE THINGS MORE CLEAR.

THAT'S THAT CHANGE, SO $300,000.

ACTUALLY, THERE WERE MORE FUNDS REMAINED IN THE IMPACT FEE FUND AT THE END OF THE YEAR THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED, 300,000 MORE OR SO, SO WE'RE JUST REQUESTING AUTHORITY TO TRANSFER THAT.

THEN WE'RE REQUESTING EXPENDITURE AUTHORITY FOR DRAWS OF AVAILABLE FUNDS RELATING TO THE TURRIS 2 REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THE AMOUNT THAT FINANCE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET JUST WAS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR THE TRANSFERS THAT WERE MADE.

THERE IS FUND BALANCE TO SUPPORT THIS ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY.

WITH THAT, IF YOU ADD IT ALL UP TO THE EXISTING BUDGET, WE'RE REQUESTING AMENDMENTS OF FOUR FUNDS, AMENDING THE EXHIBIT A.

THEN THERE'S THAT ONE CHANGE TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND BY ADDING ONE STRATEGIC PLAN PROJECT.

WITH THAT, STAFF REQUESTS THAT COUNCIL APPROVE AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING CERTAIN BUDGET IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AMENDMENTS PERTAINING TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2024, 2025 BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BALDWIN. QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN OR STAFF FROM COUNCIL.

>> HANG JUST A SECOND, MR. BALDWIN.

DOES ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.

ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL. MR. PRESENBERG?

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM E3 AS PRESENTED.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. PRESENBERG TO APPROVE ITEM E3 AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A SECOND, MR. LINDSAY.

>> SECOND.

>> SECOND BY MR. LINDSAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR PRO TEMS FRANKS.

>> NOW, DAVID, YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE 300K FOR IMPACT FEES BETWEEN THREE FUNDS? IS THAT EVENLY BETWEEN THREE FUNDS OR HOW IS THAT BROKEN UP?

>> APPROXIMATELY $240,000 OF THAT 300,000 WILL GO TO THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE FUND. LET'S SEE.

ABOUT 85,000 OF AUTHORITY IS NEEDED IN THE WATER IMPACT FEE FUND OR TO TRANSFER TO THE WATER IMPACT FEE FUND.

WE ARE OVER APPROPRIATED IN THE SEWER IMPACT FEE FUND SO IF YOU TAKE AWAY $25,000, THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD GET TO THE 300,000.

I'M REQUESTING AUTHORITY IN ONE FUND TO TRANSFER TO THREE DIFFERENT PLACES.

>> THE 240 AND 85 DON'T MEET 300, BUT YOU'RE TAKING THE OVERAGE OF THE 25 TO EQUAL 300.

>> CORRECT.

>> THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO THE SECOND ON THE TABLE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN SOME VOTES.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, IS ITEM 4.

[4. Consider an ordinance of the City of Sachse, Texas, adopting the budget for fiscal year beginning October 1, 2025, and ending September 30, 2026; providing that expenditures for said fiscal year shall be made in accordance with said budget; appropriating and setting aside the necessary funds out of the general and other revenues for said fiscal year for the maintenance and operation of the various departments and for various activities and improvements of the City; providing a repealing clause; providing a severability clause; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SACHSE, TEXAS, ADOPTING THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2026, PROVIDING AN EXPENDITURE FOR SAID FISCAL YEAR SHALL BE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SAID BUDGET, APPROPRIATING AND SETTING ASIDE THE NECESSARY FUNDS THE GENERAL AND OTHER REVENUES FOR SAID FISCAL YEAR FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, AND FOR VARIOUS ACTIVITIES AND IMPROVEMENTS OF THE CITY, PROVIDING A REPEALING CLAUSE, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MISS NASH.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THE FINAL STEPS YOU NEED TO DO RELATIVE TO ADOPTION OF NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

THERE IS NO PRESENTATION JUST BECAUSE I THINK DAVID HAS PRESENTED IT AT NAUSEUM OVER THE LAST [LAUGHTER].

>> PROBABLY HASN'T MEMORIZED.

>> ALL SUMMER, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY MAY HAVE ON THE BUDGET.

>> THANK YOU, MISS NASH. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS SIDE.

SEEING NONE, I WILL NOTE THAT THIS DOES HAVE TO BE A RECORD VOTE, SO IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WILL NEED

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TO READ THE BEST WAY I CAN TELL YOU IS IF YOU READ THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE STAFF REPORT, THAT WILL COVER YOU, CORRECT? MISS GRANGER HAS GIVEN ME THE AFFIRMATIVE EYE.

THEN WE WILL DO A VOICE VOTE AS WELL, SO WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS.

OR A MOTION. NOT EVERYBODY.

[LAUGHTER] YOU'VE GOT TO ROLL SO FAR, MISS ANNA. MISS BUTTER.

>> I MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT ITEM E5.

>> WE HAD TO READ IT.

>> E4.

>> E4, SORRY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE STAFF REPORT THOUGH, YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THAT.

>> THANK YOU. I RECOMMEND WE APPROVE THE ORDINANCE APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 2026?

>> THAT IS IN THE FORM OF A MOTION, CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> THANK YOU. HAVE A MOTION BY MISS PETER.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND. MR. PRESENBERG?

>> SECOND.

>> SECONDED BY MR. PRESENBERG. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS REQUIRES A VOICE VOTE, SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MISS GRANGER TO CALL THE ROLL.

>> THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. MISS HOWARD.

>> DID YOU WANT TO SAY SEPTEMBER 20, 2026 OR SEPTEMBER 30, 2026. I HEARD 20.

>> SHE SAID 26.

>> OH, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? OKAY.

>> SHE DIDN'T SAY 30.

>> SEPTEMBER 30, 2026.

>> WE GO TO MR. ATTORNEY.

>> GO AHEAD JUST TO BE SURE. GO AHEAD.

>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE ORDINANCE APPROVING AND ADOPTING THE BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2025 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2026.

>> I THINK I HEARD WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR. THANK YOU, MISS BUTTER.

WE HAD A SECOND ON THAT, SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD THERE.

WE'RE READY FOR A VOICE VOICE CALL.

>> MAYOR BEEGER STAFF?

>> YES.

>> MAYOR PRO TEMS FRANKS.

COUNCILMEMBER HOWARD. COUNCILMEMBER MILLSAP?

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER LINDSAY?

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER BIULLER?

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER PRESENBERG?

>> YES.

>> THAT IS SEVEN VOTES FOUR IS PASSED.

>> MOTION IS APPROVED. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM 5,

[5. Consider ratifying the property tax increase in the budget for Fiscal Year 2025-2026.]

CONSIDER RATIFYING THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE IN THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, 2026.

I WILL GO WITH WHAT MISS NASH SAID BEFORE, SO NO NEED TO RESTATE ALL THAT.

I DO HAVE A SPEAKERS CARD, MATTHEW HOBO.

>> I'M GOOD.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> AGAIN, ANY DISCUSION QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. SAME THING.

WE WILL NEED THE MOTION READ AS MISS GRANGER HAS PUT ON YOUR CHAIR.

WHOEVER'S GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION, READ THAT EXACTLY.

THEY WILL DO A VOICE VOTE AFTER THAT. MR. LINDSAY.

>> YES, MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SACHSE, TEXAS, LEVYING AT LUM TAXES FOR THE YEAR 2025, WHICH IS THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 THROUGH 2026 AT A MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE OF ZERO.

>> YEAH, FROM ON? THIS IS FIVE.

>> JUST SAYING WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN.

>> MUCH SIMPLER. MR. MARA, REVISE THAT MOTION.

I'D LIKE FOR US TO RATIFY THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE IN THE BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 THROUGH 2026.

>> YEAH. WE TRY TO MAKE IT AS EASY.

MOTION BY MR. LINDSAY, DO I HAVE A SECOND? MR. PRESENBERG.

>> SECOND.

>> SECOND. YOU WANT TO RESTATE THAT? MISS GRANGER, DO YOUR THING.

>> MAYOR BEEGER STAFF.

>> YES.

>> MAYOR PRO TEMS FRANKS.

>> COUNCILMEMBER HOWARD?

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER MILLSAP?

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER LINDSAY?

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER BIULLER?

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER PRESENBERG?

>> YES.

>> THANK YOU. THAT IS SEVEN VOTES FOUR. PASSES.

>> MOTION IS APPROVED. THANK YOU, MISS GRANGER.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM 6,

[6. Consider an ordinance of the City of Sachse, Texas, levying ad valorem taxes for the year 2025 (Fiscal Year 2025-2026) at a Maintenance and Operations rate of $0.456209 and a Debt Service rate of $0.194207 for a total rate of $0.650416 per One Hundred Dollars ($100) assessed valuation on all taxable property within the corporate limits of the City of Sachse as of January 1, 2025, to provide revenue for the payment of current expenses; providing for an Interest and Sinking fund for all outstanding debt of the City of Sachse; providing for due and delinquent dates together with penalties and interest; providing a severability clause; providing a repealing clause; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SACHSE TEXAS, LEVYING AVALOR TAXES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025, 2026, AT A MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE OF 0.456209, AND THE DEBT SERVICE RATE OF 0.194207 FOR A TOTAL RATE OF 0.650416 PER $100 ASSESSED VALUATION ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF SACHSE, AS OF JANUARY 1, 2025,

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TO PROVIDE REVENUE FOR THE PAYMENT OF CURRENT EXPENSES, PROVIDING AN INTEREST AND SINKING FUND FOR ALL OUTSTANDING DEBT.

OF THE CITY OF SACHSE PROVIDING FOR DUE AND DELINQUENT DATES TOGETHER WITH PENALTIES AND INTEREST, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING A REPEALING CLAUSE, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

AGAIN, STAFF HAS BRIEFED US ON THIS ITEM.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM.

HEARING NONE. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF.

IF NOT, AGAIN, THIS WILL NEED TO BE READ AS THE STAFF REPORT INDICATES, AND WE WILL TAKE A VOICE VOTE.

AGAIN, ITEM 6.

[BACKGROUND] HE BUZZED IN. GO AHEAD, MR. LINDSAY.

>> GOT THIS ONE RIGHT.

>> MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SACHSE, TEXAS LEVYING [INAUDIBLE] TAXES FOR YEAR 2025, WHICH IS THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 THROUGH 2026 AT A MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE OF 0.456209 AND A DEBT SERVICE RATE OF 0.194207 FOR A TOTAL RATE OF 0.650416.

TERRITORY FOR $100 ASSESSED VALUATION ON ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF SACHSE AS OF JANUARY 1 OF 2025.

>> THANK, MR. LINDSAY, I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. MAY PRO TEMS FRANKS.

>> SECOND.

>> SECOND. WE ALL BELIEVE IN THE SECOND CHANCES.

>> I GOT TO [INAUDIBLE].

>> YEAH, IT'S A LOT, BELIEVE IT. WE HAVE MOTION A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM 6.

MISS GRANGER THIRD TIMES.

WELL, NOT THE CHARM. YOU DID IT PERFECT THE OTHER TWO TIMES.

>> LAST TIME.

>> IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND START THE VOICE VOTES.

>> MAYOR BRICKERSTAFF?

>> YES.

>> MAYOR PRO TEMS FRANKS.

>> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER HOWARD?

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER MILLSAP?

>> YEAH.

>> COUNCILMEMBER LINDSAY?

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER BIULLER?

>> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER PRESENBERG?

>> THAT IS SEVEN VOTES FOR.

>> MOTION IS APPROVED, SEVEN ZERO.

THANK YOU STAFF FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THE BUDGET.

I KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE DO.

WE DO A LOT OF IMPORTANT THINGS, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT OUR BUDGET.

THANK YOU MISS NASH. THANK YOU, MR. BALDWIN. THANK YOU.

TELL YOUR STAFF THEIR WORK IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED AND LOOKING FORWARD TO ANOTHER GREAT FISCAL YEAR, SO THANK YOU.

OBVIOUSLY, WE DID ITEM NUMBER 7, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM F DISCUSSION ITEMS.

[1. Receive a report on credit card processing fees incurred by the City of Sachse.]

ITEM 1 RECEIVER REPORT ON CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES INCURRED BY THE CITY OF SACHSE.

THIS IS A DISCUSSION ONLY ITEM. MISS NASH.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS THIS YEAR, SOME QUESTIONS WERE ASKED ABOUT OUR CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES AND IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION AND EXPLORATION ON.

I ASKED THE STAFF TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER REALLY OUTSIDE OF THE BUDGET PROCESS BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO UNDERSTAND IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO SET A POLICY ON THIS THAT IT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION ON ITS OWN MERITS OUTSIDE OF THAT.

DAVID BALDWIN HAS PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION FOR YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND REALLY WHERE OUR CREDIT CARD FEES COME FROM WHAT TYPES OF TRANSACTIONS, AND REALLY JUST GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT ON IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A POLICY CHANGE MOVING FORWARD ON HOW WE CHARGE OUR CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES.

>> THANK YOU MISS NASH. HELLO, MR. BALDWIN.

>> HELLO, MAYOR COUNCIL. CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES IS A CONVOLUTED TOPIC IN ITS OWN RIGHT.

BUT IN ADDITION, THE CITY WORKS WITH MULTIPLE CREDIT CARD PROCESSORS ACROSS OUR VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS IN ORDER TO FACILITATE PAYMENTS FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

SO THE FOLLOWING PRESENTATION IS SUMMARIZED.

IT'S A SUMMARIZED PRESENTATION THAT I HOPE PROVIDES COUNCIL WITH ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR YOUR REVIEW, BUT IT IS A SUMMARY AT THAT.

>> IN THIS PRESENTATION, I'LL LOOK AT UTILITY BILLING TRANSACTION VOLUME AS AN EXAMPLE ACROSS THE CITY.

WE'LL LOOK AT CREDIT CARD PAYMENT CHARGES.

I'LL SHOW YOU THE FEES FOR CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS BY DEPARTMENT.

WE'LL LOOK AT COST RECOVERY PRACTICES, HAVE A LOOK AT COMPARATOR CITIES, AND THE FORMS OF PAYMENT THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMERS.

SHOWN HERE ON THIS CHART IS THE UTILITY BILLING AVERAGE MONTHLY TRANSACTION VOLUME.

BY FAR, UTILITY BILLING HAS THE HIGHEST TRANSACTION VOLUME IN THE CITY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SMALLEST PERCENT OF OUR TRANSACTIONS ARE DONE IN CASH.

NEXT IS BY CHECK,

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THOSE CAN BE CHECKS INITIATED BY OUR RESIDENTS OR DONE WITH YOUR BANK, WHERE THE BANK THEN SENDS IN A CHECK PAYMENT.

THERE'S ALSO ELECTRONIC PAYMENT, AND LASTLY, CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS MAKE UP 78% OF THE AVERAGE MONTHLY UTILITY BILLING TRANSACTIONS.

SHOWN IN THAT CHART ARE MAY THROUGH JULY TRANSACTIONS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COUNT IS AROUND 9,000 TRANSACTIONS TOTAL FOR ABOUT $1.5 MILLION AS A MONTHLY AVERAGE.

CREDIT CARD PAYMENT CHARGES THAT THE CITY PAYS ARE.

THE FIRST PART IS JUST CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE CREDIT CARD PROCESSORS.

THESE MERCHANT PROCESSORS ARE COMPANIES THAT ACT AS AN INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN A BUSINESS AND THE CUSTOMER TO FACILITATE THESE ELECTRONIC CARD PAYMENTS.

WE USE MULTIPLE MERCHANT PROCESSORS, AS I MENTIONED.

MERCHANT PROCESSORS CHARGE A FIXED AMOUNT AND VARIABLE FEES THAT CAN VARY BASED ON THE CARD TYPE, BE IT VISA, MASTERCARD, AMERICAN EXPRESS, WHETHER IT'S DEBIT, CREDIT, OR ALL THE REWARDS, BONUSES, AND POINTS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY A CARD.

ALSO, THAT AFFECTS THE RATE IS THE METHOD OF PROCESSING, BE THAT IF A CARD IS PRESENT VERSUS OVER THE PHONE, IF YOU'RE DIPPING THE CARD, INSERTING IT IN THAT SLOT, IF YOU'RE SLIDING IT MAGNETICALLY ACROSS THAT READER BAR, ALL OF THIS VARIES OR CHANGES THE TRANSACTION.

HONESTLY, ON THE FINANCE SIDE, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW UNTIL WAY AFTER WHEN WE GET ALL OF THE FEES LUMPED TOGETHER.

YOU CAN HIRE CONSULTANTS AND SEE ALL THE VARIOUS FEES, BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT THEY DO VARY BASED OFF OF MANY SITUATIONS, BUT THE AVERAGE CHARGE IS TYPICALLY 1.5-3.5% OF THE TRANSACTION AMOUNT.

THERE IS ALSO ONLINE PORTAL FEES FOR THIRD-PARTY VENDORS THAT CHARGE US A PAYMENT PORTAL THAT FACILITATES THE PAYMENT.

WE HAVE AN ONLINE INTERFACE.

PEOPLE CAN GO TO A WEBSITE AND ENTER IN THEIR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION.

JUST FOR THAT EASE OF TRANSACTION, WE'RE CHARGED A FEE.

THAT FEE CAN RANGE FROM $1-$2.50 PER TRANSACTION.

THIS SHOWS OUR CREDIT CARD, THE PAYMENT, OR THE FEES THAT WE PAY ACROSS THE CITY BY DEPARTMENT.

ALL OF THE TOP ROWS, EXCEPT FOR THAT BOTTOM UTILITY BILLING 1, ARE PAID WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND.

YOU CAN SEE WE'RE SHOWING WHETHER IT'S A FEE FOR A TRANSACTION WHERE SOMEBODY COMES UP TO THE COUNTER.

IN SOME INSTANCES, THERE IS A FEE FOR ONLINE.

I'M GROUPING JUST FOR MY CONVENIENCE, HONESTLY.

I'M SHOWING CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES AS WE'RE CHARGED IN THAT FIRST COLUMN.

AMERICAN EXPRESS HAS THEIR OWN CHARGES THAT WERE THAT'S HARDER TO GROUP, AND SO I'M SHOWING THAT SEPARATELY.

THEN THERE'S THE ONLINE PAYMENT PORTAL FEES, THE WEBSITE, JUST FOR ACCESSING SERVICES.

ALL OF THOSE CHARGES, YOU CAN SEE, ACCUMULATE TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, $344,000 FOR AN AVERAGE ANNUAL ESTIMATE ACROSS THE CITY, BUT ARE VERY LARGELY THE BULK OF THAT IS WITHIN UTILITY BILLING, IT'S WITHIN OUR UTILITY FUND.

HOW DO WE RECOVER THESE COSTS? CURRENTLY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AS SHOWN IN OUR MASTER FEE SCHEDULE, CHARGES A 3% CUSTOMER FEE FOR CARD TRANSACTIONS THAT EXCEED $1,000, THAT RECOVERS JUST ABOUT $200 PER MONTH IN FEES.

THE MUNICIPAL COURT ALSO HAS AN ONLINE PAYMENT PORTAL FEE THAT IS CHARGED DIRECTLY TO A CUSTOMER.

WHEN YOU DO BUSINESS WITH OUR MUNICIPAL COURT, YOU PAY YOUR FEE.

IT IDENTIFIES THAT THERE'S A SEPARATE TRANSACTION, AND YOU HAVE TWO CHARGES TO YOUR CREDIT CARD, ONE OF THOSE BEING TO THE CITY, ONE OF THOSE BEING TO THE CARD PROCESSOR.

NOW, HISTORICALLY, UTILITY BILLING HAS HAD ONLINE PAYMENT PORTAL FEES CHARGED DIRECTLY TO THE CUSTOMER PRIOR TO COVID.

THOSE FEES ARE $1.25.

IT'S LESS OF A FEE BECAUSE IT'S A UTILITY BILLING PAYMENT.

WE KNOW EXACTLY THE ADDRESS OF THE PERSON PAYING, WE KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE, WE CAN GET TO THEM IF NEEDED.

THOSE FEES CHARGED TO US ARE LESS THAN WHAT I MENTIONED FOR COURT, THAT CAN BE BETWEEN $1 AND $250.

AS A REMINDER, THIS PRACTICE WAS HALTED DURING COVID, SINCE THERE WERE MORE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE DUE TO SOCIAL DISTANCING PRACTICES.

THIS LATTER FEE, THIS $1.25 THAT UTILITY BILLING PREVIOUSLY CHARGED,

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IS NOT BEING CHARGED RIGHT NOW.

AS YOU SAW ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, WE ARE PAYING $100,000 IN FEES THAT PREVIOUSLY WAS CHARGED TO RESIDENTS.

LOOKING AT OUR COMPARATOR CITIES, WE HAD STAFF CONTACT COMPARATIVE CITIES IN MULTIPLE WAYS, AND THIS IS THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED BACK.

FOR MUNICIPAL COURT SPECIFICALLY, WE FOUND THAT COMPARATOR CITIES CHARGE ANYWHERE FROM NOTHING TO A 2% CHARGE, ALL THE WAY UP TO A $3 AND 95% CHARGE ON A TRANSACTION.

WHEN FIXED COSTS ARE CHARGED, WE'VE SEEN $3.

THEN, OVER TO THE RIGHT, IT SHOWS THAT PROCESSING FEE FOR THAT ONLINE PORTAL.

TYLER TECHNOLOGIES IS OUR PROVIDER FOR THE ONLINE PORTAL.

MANY CITIES USE THAT SAME TECHNOLOGY OR THAT SAME COMPANY.

THEIR CONTRACTS COULD VARY.

THEY BASICALLY JUST TOLD US THEY WERE USING THE SAME COMPANY, BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT'S ABOUT $1 TO 250.

LOOKING AT UTILITY BILLING, WE SPOKE TO COMPARATOR CITIES AND FOUND TWO CITIES THAT CHARGE A PERCENTAGE, ONE BEING MURPHY AT 2%, ROY CITY AT 3.5% FOR TRANSACTIONS AT THE COUNTER ONLY, AND THEN WE FOUND ONE CITY OFFERING OR CHARGING $1.25 IN PROCESSING FEES FOR ONLINE CHARGES.

WHEN A CITY CHARGES ONLINE OR CHARGES CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES, IT WOULD BE A GOOD PRACTICE TO PROVIDE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PAYMENT, SO A RESIDENT COULD AVOID FEES IF THEY FOUND THAT TO BE A PROBLEM.

REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT A CITY RECOVERS PROCESSING FEES FROM CREDIT CARD USERS, WE PROVIDE MULTIPLE PAYMENT OPTIONS TO OUR CUSTOMERS.

THE CHART HERE SHOWS THE DEPARTMENTS THAT I SHOWED IN A PREVIOUS SLIDE.

ALL OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS DO OFFER CASH PAYMENTS, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE LITTLE ONE NEXT TO THAT CASH COLUMN SHOWS THAT WE OFFER IT IN PERSON ONLY.

CHECKS BE THEY MONEY ORDERS, CASHIER'S CHECKS, ALL DEPARTMENTS OFFER THE RECEIPT OF CHECKS IN PERSON, AND UTILITY BILLING HAD INCLUDES DROP BOXES AVAILABLE OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL AND INSIDE CITY HALL.

FOR CREDIT CARD FEES, WE TAKE CREDIT AND DEBIT CARDS, AND YOU CAN SEE MANY DEPARTMENTS ALLOW THAT IN PERSON.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MUNICIPAL COURT, RECREATION, AND UTILITY BILLING HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ONLINE PAYMENT.

UTILITY BILLING HAS THE MOST OPTIONS AVAILABLE.

YOU CAN HAVE A CARD STORED ONLINE, AND YOU CAN PICK UP YOUR PHONE, AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN TEXT A CERTAIN NUMBER, AND IT WILL PROCESS THAT PAYMENT FOR YOU.

IT'S CALLED IVR, BUT YOU CAN CALL UP AND TALK TO A MACHINE AND INDICATE TO IT TO MAKE A PAYMENT.

LASTLY, UTILITY BILLING ONLY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ELECTRONIC PAYMENTS OR ACH, YOU MIGHT HEAR IT AS AUTOMATED CLEARING HOUSE.

THAT IS BASICALLY TO TIE YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT TO UTILITY BILLING, AND WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND CHARGE THAT ACCOUNT DIRECTLY.

SHOWN HERE ARE LITTLE SYMBOLS UNDER CREDIT CARDS FOR CUSTOMER FEES, AGAIN, IT'S THE 3% CHARGE FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR CHARGES ABOVE $1,000.

THEN COURT HAS AN ONLINE FEE CHARGED DIRECTLY TO THE CUSTOMER THAT VARIES ON THE TRANSACTION AMOUNT BETWEEN $1 AND $2.50.

TRYING TO TAKE A COMPLEX AND CONVOLUTED SUBJECT AND PARE IT DOWN INTO A MINIMAL NUMBER OF SLIDES.

STAFF IS SEEKING COUNSEL'S FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION REGARDING CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES ON ONLINE PAYMENT PORTAL FEES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ABSORBING.

DOES THE CITY DESIRE TO CHANGE THIS APPROACH?

>> THANK YOU, MR. BALDWIN. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? MR. LINTON.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

A LOT OF GOOD NUMBERS IN HERE.

THIS IS PURE GOLD TO ME TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE.

JUST GOING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, AGAIN, TONIGHT, I DID PICK UP ON SOMETHING I WASN'T REALIZING.

ESSENTIALLY, CREDIT CARD FEES THEMSELVES HAVE NEVER BEEN PASSED ON IN UTILITY BILLING.

THERE WAS JUST A FLAT FEE OF $1.25 OR $1.50.

THAT FEE BACK BEFORE COVID WAS THAT WAIVED IF YOU WERE USING ACH?

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>> ACH IS DIRECTLY.

YOU COME IN INTO CITY HALL, YOU GIVE YOUR CHECK WITH LINE RIGHT THROUGH IT, AND WE'LL IDENTIFY YOUR ACCOUNT AND CHARGE THAT DIRECTLY.

YEAH, THAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONLINE FEE TO PAY WITH A CARD, AND THAT ONLINE FEE TO PAY WITH A CARD IS THE ONE THAT CHARGES $1.25.

YES, YOU COULD PAY WITH CASH, VIA CHECK, OR ACH, ALL WITHOUT FEES.

>> I GUESS THAT HELPS EXPLAIN.

WHENEVER I RELOCATED WITHIN SACHSE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, I JUST WIN, I GUESS, GIVE A CHECK, AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AUTOMATIC THEN.

IF THE EXPERIENCE TODAY, A NEW RESIDENT THEY GO TO THE PORTAL, AND THEY ENTER THAT INFORMATION VIA THE PORTAL.

DO THEY DO THE ACH SIGN-UP THERE, WHERE THAT PORTAL IS STILL CHARGING THE DOLLAR 50 FEE, OR IS THAT STILL SET UP DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY OUTSIDE THAT PORTAL? IS THAT STILL EVEN AN OPTION?

>> THAT ACH CANNOT BE SET UP IN THE PORTAL.

IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PORTAL, IT'S COMING INTO CITY HALL, AND GETTING THAT SET UP.

>> THE CITY'S ACTUALLY JUST DOING THAT DIRECTLY WITH NO INVOLVEMENT OF THIS THIRD-PARTY PORTAL.

I GUESS ACH TRANSACTIONS MAY STILL BE FACILITATED THROUGH TYLER, OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO WITH OUR SOFTWARE INTERNALLY?

>> THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESSOR WHO PROVIDES INFORMATION TO TYLER, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S TYLER DIRECTLY.

>> REALLY, DURING COVID, ALL WE DID IS WE JUST WE'VE BEEN ESSENTIALLY I'M GOING TO SAY ABSORBED, BUT I'M GOING TO CORRECT MYSELF LATER ON THAT THOUGH, BUT ESSENTIALLY, WE'VE BEEN ABSORBING THE CREDIT CARD FEES FOR ALL THIS TIME.

THERE WASN'T A TIME THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT WE CHARGED CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES.

>> NOT FOR CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES SPECIFICALLY.

>> ORIGINALLY, WHENEVER I STARTED LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, I'M LIKE, WE'RE A LITTLE SHORT FOR WHERE WE WANTED TO BE, AS FAR AS OUR EMPLOYEE PAY.

WE REALLY WANTED TO HAVE OUR NON-PUBLIC SAFETY PRODUCT TO BE A LEAD MARKET.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN EASY STASH OF MONEY.

IT'S LIKE, HEY, HERE'S SOME MONEY, MAYBE WE COULD USE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WHENEVER I MADE THAT STATEMENT, I REALIZE NOW AS A VERY FLAWED ASSESSMENT.

THIS IS A UTILITY FUND.

EVEN IF WE WERE TO HYPOTHETICALLY TAKE THAT MONEY AND WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE IT, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO APPLY IT ELSEWHERE.

THIS FUND OR ULTIMATELY, IT STAYS ALL IN THIS FUND, AND ULTIMATELY, THE COST IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS IS IT'S ESSENTIALLY ABSORBED BY ALL PAYERS INSIDE OF WHOEVER IS USING THE SERVICES.

IF EVERYBODY IS PAYING BY CREDIT CARD, THEN THEORETICALLY, ALL THE PRICES GO UP ABOUT 3% OR SO.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE COME TO EXPECT FOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, I THINK IN LIFE NOW.

AFTER SEEING ALL THE NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING, I REALLY CAN'T SEE A NEED TO ACTUALLY TRY TO RECOUP THE CREDIT CARD CHARGES, LIKE WHAT I SEE COMPARED TO ON THE PROPERTY TAX, AND I THINK SOME OF OUR OTHER LARGE PAYMENTS OVER, FOR EXAMPLE, $1,000, THOSE ARE MONIES THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE TAKEN ERODED BY A PROPERTY TAX.

BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M REALLY JUST LOOKING AT THAT $1.50 FEE.

I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BECOMING ACCUSTOMED TO BE ABLE TO GO TO A PORTAL AND EXPECTING THAT.

I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO PRESENT AS WE HAVE.

I CAN'T SEE A REASON TO GO BACK TO A PRE-COVID CHARGE ON USING THE PORTAL FOR THE FEES, BUT I VERY MUCH THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

>> MAYOR PRESIDENT FRANKS.

>> YEAH, WE TALK ABOUT THIS EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, AND EVEN BEFORE COVID, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS, AND IT IS A CONVENIENCE FEE.

I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT WE CAN'T USE THE MONEY BECAUSE WE GOT TO PAY FOR IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

PEOPLE ARE USING IT, AND THERE IS A FEE, SO WE'RE ABSORBING IT.

IF WE'RE NOT PAYING THE FEE, WE CAN APPLY THAT PORTION OF THE BUDGET TO SOMETHING ELSE.

I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT ON THAT.

BUT IT'S A CONVENIENCE FEE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COME BACK. I'LL BE MUCH SHORTER.

>> MR. WILSON.

>> ONE THING, WHEN YOU LOOK IN YOUR FIRST OF YOUR PRESENTATION, ONE OF YOUR SLIDES, YOU LISTED CREDIT CARDS, YOU DID NOT HAVE A DISCOVER LISTED THERE.

DO WE TAKE DISCOVER CARDS?

>> DO YOU STUMP STAFF ON THAT ONE?

>> I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT JUST LEFT OFF OR DO WE NOT? I THINK WE SHOULD WE SHOULD TAKE ALL OF THEM, IF WE CAN.

ALSO, YOU'RE SHOWING THAT WE'RE LOSING IN ESSENCE, WE'RE LOSING ABOUT $100,000 A MONTH, IS THAT RIGHT? AT THE WAY WE'RE PROCESSING NOW?

>> THAT'S THAT WAS AN ANNUAL FEE, $100,000 IN ONLINE PAYMENT PORTAL FEES.

YEAH. $100,000 A YEAR.

>> OKAY, WHAT WERE WE LOSING BEFORE WE PUT A STOP TO IT TO PROCESS WE WERE USING BEFORE COVID. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA?

>> WHAT WERE WE LOSING?

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ARE WE COVERING 100% OF OUR COSTS AT THE TIME? WHEN TALKING ABOUT ONLINE PAYMENT PORTAL FEES THAT WE CHARGED PRE COVID.

>> MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE WE GO BACK TO THE PROCESS WE WERE USING BEFORE COVID, THAT WAY, IT WOULD JUST BE RESTARTING BACK AN OLD PROCESS.

>> I THINK MISS NASH WANTS TO JUMP IN FOR SAY?

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION.

SO DAVID, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS PRIOR TO COVID, THE CITY WAS PAYING THE CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEE THROUGH THE UTILITY FUND. AND WE STILL ARE.

>> I WAS NOT HERE PRIOR TO COVID.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WERE CHARGING RESIDENTS $1.25 FOR AN ONLINE CREDIT CARD TRANSACTION.

AND SO WITH COVID, WE WANTED TO FACILITATE ONLINE TRANSACTIONS.

WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO COME INTO CITY HALL.

WE SAID, WE'LL EAT THE FEE.

WE WILL PAY AN ONLINE PORTAL FEE WHEN YOU PAY YOUR UTILITY BILL.

>> RIGHT, DAVID, BUT THE DISTINCTION I'M MAKING HERE IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE, THE CREDIT CARD PROCESSING ONLINE FOR UTILITY BILLING IS 194,208, AND THEN YOU HAVE 100,000.

SO PRIOR TO COVID, WE WERE WE WERE TAKING ON THE 194,208, AND WE STILL ARE TODAY.

IF THE CHANGE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COVID AND NOW WAS 100,000, NOT THAT WHOLE TOTAL OF 315,892?

>> 100%, CORRECT? YES.

>> YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION, COUNSEL.

REMEMBER, THAT BEFORE COVID, WE WERE PAYING THAT 194208, AND WE STILL ARE TODAY.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE CITY TOOK ON WITH COVID WAS THAT $100,000 NUMBER THAT YOU SEE WITH THE ONLINE PAYMENT PORTAL FEES.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING CLEAR WITH THE PUBLIC THAT IT'S NOT AN ALL OR NOTHING.

WE WERE DOING SOMETHING PRIOR TO COVID.

>> [INAUDIBLE].

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> MISS BUHLER.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BALDWIN.

I WAS SINCERELY HOPING THAT THE PAYMENT PORTAL FEE OF $100,000 WAS A TYPO.

IS THIS THE BEST OPTION OUT THERE? THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH AN INCREDIBLY HIGH FEE.

>> OF COURSE, WITH ANY, YOU KNOW, WITH COMPETITION, WE ARE CONTACTED PERIODICALLY.

I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO IT YET, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS WHO SAY THAT THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT THEY CAN SAVE US ON.

>> MY QUESTION IS, IF WE START TO PASS ALONG THAT FEE AGAIN, A $1.25 DOESN'T SOUND OUTRAGEOUS TO ME.

I LIKE THE FLAT RATE MORE THAN THE PERCENTAGE RATE.

BUT IF WE INCREASE THE PROCESSING FEES, I ASSUME WE'LL START TO GET MORE CASH AND CHECK PAYMENTS FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO AVOID THAT FEE.

WILL THAT IN TURN INCREASE OUR LABOR COSTS FOR CITY STAFF BECAUSE THEY'LL BE PROCESSING MORE, FINANCIAL STUFF THROUGH BANKS AND WITH CASH AND CHECK.

>> HONESTLY, EVERYTHING TAKES MANPOWER, WOMAN POWER TO DEPOSIT.

YES, IF YOU INCREASE FEES.

IN MY OWN FAMILY, I KNOW THAT JUST LOOK THE CONVENIENCE.

I DON'T WANT THE GAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO HAVE TO COME IN AND DELIVER A CHECK.

I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THE MAIL SYSTEM HAS ITS OWN ISSUES.

IN MY FAMILY, I THINK WE KEEP PAYING A CREDIT CARD FEE.

DO PEOPLE TYPICALLY SWITCH TO OTHER METHODS OF PAYMENT? YES. WE TRY TO PROVIDE MANY DIFFERENT PAYMENT OPTIONS.

ALL OF THEM TAKE EFFORT ON OUR SIDE HONESTLY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MISS HOWARTH.

>> YEAH. I HAD NO IDEA 78% OF OUR FOLKS WERE PAYING THEIR UTILITY BILLS WITH A CREDIT CARD.

LIKE, I WAS SURPRISED. I WOULD HAVE GUESS, LIKE A 30%.

MAYBE BECAUSE I'M OLD WE'VE BEEN SACHSE FOR 25 YEARS.

WE JUST HAVE OUR ONLINE BILL PAY DO WHATEVER IT DOES.

I THINK IT MAILS YOU GUYS A CHECK.

I DON'T TOUCH IT, BUT IT JUST GOES.

BUT I JUST DID A LITTLE BIT OF MATH HERE FOR MY WATER BILL THIS MONTH.

IF I HAD PAID THAT WITH A CREDIT CARD, IT AT 1.5%, IT WOULD HAVE COST 450 FOR THE CITY TO TAKE THAT MONEY, OR IF IT WAS 3.5% OF BEEN 1050 FOR MY WATER BILL FOR ONE SINGLE MONTH.

I'D MUCH PREFER MORE FOLKS JUST HERES IN ONLINE BILL PAY THAT TOOK CARE OF THAT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FOR CONVENIENCE, THEN I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD NECESSARILY JUST BE ACCEPTING THAT.

AS A COST BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY UNNECESSARY.

THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO PAY THAT DON'T INCUR FEES.

MY KIDS AREN'T IN SCHOOL ANYMORE.

BUT TO SEND LUNCH MONEY TO WYLIE ISD, YOU HAD TO SEND EITHER SEND CASH, SEND A CHECK, GO UP TO THE SCHOOL, PAY IN PERSON, YOU DID IT ONLINE WITH A CREDIT CARD.

YOU PAID, I THINK, LIKE A $2 FEE PLUS A PERCENTAGE OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS. I THINK THAT'S FAIR BECAUSE IT'S NOT A ZERO COST OPTION.

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THERE'S A COST HERE, AND WE'RE PASSING THAT ALONG TO TAXPAYERS, WHETHER THEY'RE PAYING IT IN THE UTILITY FUND THROUGH INCREASED WATER AND SEWER RATES, BASICALLY, OR THEY'RE PAYING IT SEPARATELY AS A FEE.

THEY'RE ALL PAYING IT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS BE MORE SUSTAINING ON A FEE BASIS RATHER THAN SUPPLEMENTING THAT WITH PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE IT'S OR WHAT NOT PROPERTY TAX, BUT UTILITY FEES BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA IT WAS $350,000.

I WOULD REINSTATE THE ONLINE FEE THAT WE GET CHARGED AND I WOULD PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW IF PERCENTAGES ARE MORE COMPLICATED, BUT AT LEAST A FLAT RATE FOR TAKING A CREDIT CARD.

WE'LL TAKE IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU THREE BUCKS OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER COVERS AN AVERAGE TRANSACTION.

I KNOW MY MY MATH IS A LITTLE HIGH THIS MONTH BECAUSE WE HAD A WHOPPER OF A WATER BILL FOR THIS MONTH.

BUT 1050 TO THE CITY BECAUSE I WANT TO USE A CREDIT CARD TO PAY MY WATER BILL IS A LITTLE NUTS.

SO THAT'S MY $0.02.

>> MR. PRESENBERG.

>> YES.

>>YOU GOT TO PULL.

>> THE $100,000 FOR UTILITY BIILING ONLINE, WE'RE PAYING THAT NO MATTER SOMEONE ONE PERSON USES IT OR 10,000 PEOPLE TO USE IT.

>> NO. THAT'S A PER TRANSACTION.

THAT'S THE SUM OF INDIVIDUAL TRANSACTIONS.

>> ALL THE TRANSACTIONS THAT WERE DONE IN 2024, WHATEVER WHEN THIS DATA WAS PULLED, EQUAL TO $100,000 IN PORTAL FEES.

>> YEAH. IF YOU TAKE THAT PIE CHART WHEN I SHOWED $6000 OR $7,000 WORTH OF CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS.

>> I ASK YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDES.

>> IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY $1.25, MULTIPLY THAT AGAIN BY 12 MONTHS.

YOU'LL GET TO $103,300, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE TOLD YOU IT WAS AN ESTIMATE.

MAYBE WE PUT TWO ROUND OF A NUMBER, SO IT LOOKS SUSPICIOUS, BUT IT'S ABOUT $100,000.

>> GOES TO LOOK AT LITTLES.

>> I USED TO HATE IT WHEN I'D HAVE A BILL OF 100 BUCKS OR SOMETHING, AND THEN I GO TO PAY IT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT SAYS 101, 50, LIKE WHEN YOU REGISTER YOUR CAR, I HATE THAT EXTRA FEE AT THE END.

HOWEVER, IT IS CONVENIENCE.

I AM CURIOUS, SO IF ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU GET 15,000 BILLS IN, THE LITTLE MAILBOX OUT THERE, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE FOR OPENING AND ALL THAT STUFF.

BUT I WOULD RATHER FOLKS, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY 10 BUCKS FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THEIR BILLING WITH US.

I'M OKAY WITH PASSING IT ON OR PUTTING IT BACK ON THE CONSUMER OR THE RESIDENT, BUT WE'RE ALL AFFECTED BY IT, TOO, SO I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. THANK YOU.

>> MR. LINDSEY.

>> YEAH. SO IN COUNCILWOMANS, HOUSES EXAMPLE THERE IS, $10 OF OUR WATER BILL IS GOING THERE NOW, IT'S $8.75.

WE'RE STILL PAYING.

THAT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.

IF YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING TO BALANCE OUT, WE SHOULD LOOK AT RECOUPING THE ACTUAL CREDIT CARD FEES, MAYBE DISALLOWING AMERICAN EXPRESS, SINCE THEY TRADITIONALLY ALWAYS CHARGE MORE, MANY BUSINESSES DON'T TAKE AMERICAN EXPRESS FOR THAT REASON.

BUT BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMAN FRANK SAID ON THERE.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT I MEANT BY ABSORBING THE COST ON THERE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS ON THE UTILITY BILLING SIDE TO MAKE A PROFIT.

MONEY IN EQUALS MONEY OUT.

WE TRY TO BALANCE OUT THE UPS AND DOWNS WITH THE DIFFERENT RATES THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE'RE AT THE MERCY ULTIMATELY OF THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT, THE CITY GARLAND FOR SEWER, CWD ON THERE.

THOSE ARE ALL COSTS.

SO CREDIT CARD PROCESSING FEES, THAT ACTUAL PERCENTAGE THAT IS GOING TO THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY, PLUS THAT PROCESSING FEE.

IT'S JUST ANOTHER COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

YOU ADD ALL THAT UP TOGETHER, YOU DIVIDE IT OUT.

THAT'S WHAT OUR LEVELY CONSULTANTS DO.

I FORGOT WHO DOES FOR WATER OFF HAND THOUGH, BUT THEY COME BACK AND THEY, YOU NEED TO BE CHARGING X NUMBER OF DOLLARS FOR PER GALLON OF WATER.

THAT'S WHERE I LOOK AT THAT COST AS BEING.

WE CAN UNWIND THAT COST, RIGHT NOW, WE GOT 78% OF PEOPLE USING THE PORTAL.

MAYBE WE GET THAT TO MOVE BACK.

IT'S NEVER GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS PRE COVID ON THERE.

SO LET'S JUST SAY TODAY, WE TELL EVERYBODY, WE'RE GOING TO START CHARGING $1.50 FEE.

WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE.

BUT LET'S JUST SAY, IT DROPS IT DOWN TO 70%.

THERE'S 8% OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT JUST AREN'T GOING TO PAY THIS FEE.

TWO THIRDS OF PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO JUST USE IT AS CONVENIENCE ON THERE.

TO ME, IT'S A HIGH ENOUGH NUMBER TO WHERE WE JUST LOOK AT IT AS A TOTAL COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND WE FACTOR IT INTO A WATER RATE THAT WE CHARGE.

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>> MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS?

>> I THINK WE'RE GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE, LIKE WE DO.

THIS IS A DISCUSSION TO SEE IF WE WANT TO FILL THIS OUT SOME MORE.

BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, SOME COMMENTS WERE MADE ABOUT, IS THIS GOING TO BE MORE DEMAND ON MANPOWER? ARE WE GOING TO GET 1,500 CHECKS OR WHATEVER OUT IN THE DROPBOX? I'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS.

I PAY WITH CREDIT CARD AND I PAID WITH BILL GOING THROUGH ONLINE BILL PAY THROUGH MY BANK.

WHETHER THEY MAIL YOU A CHECK OR SEND YOU ELECTRONIC TRANSFER, I DON'T KNOW, AND I DON'T REALLY CARE BECAUSE THEY HANDLE IT.

BUT I'M NOT WALKING IN HERE TO PAY IT EVERY MONTH WITH A CHECK.

I DON'T THINK THAT 78% IS GOING TO CHANGE MORE THAN 3%.

I WOULD BE SHOCKED BECAUSE IT'S A CONVENIENCE FEE AND WE'D LIKE TO BE CONVENIENCED.

BUT AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COME BACK.

>> MISS HOWARTH.

YEAH. I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO DEAD HORSE TERRITORY HERE.

I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES LIKE, SAY YOU TAKE THE AVERAGE UTILITY BILLING CUSTOMER FOR THE AVERAGE PROCESSING FEE, AND IT'S THIS AMOUNT PLUS $1.25 IF YOU PAY ON ON THE ONLINE PORTAL OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

I'LL TAKE A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF ON A NUMBER.

>> I BET THEY'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT FOR YOU.

MR. MILLSAP EXCUSE.

>> I WOULD BACK WHEN YOU GET TO THE FEE AMOUNT, I WOULD PREFER A PERCENTAGE FEE INSTEAD OF A FLAT FEE.

THE REASON IS IN THE CASE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBER HERE, IF SHE FILLED HER SWIMMING POOL UP TWICE, AND SHE PAID $1.5 FOR THE USE OF THE CAR CREDIT CARD, AND SOMEONE WENT TO THE LIBRARY AND DID A PROJECT ON A 3D PRINTER FOR $5, AND THEY HAD TO PAY $1.5, $1.25.

THAT WOULD BE DISPROPORTIONATE IN RATIO.

I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A PERCENTAGE, THAT WAY THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE MOST PAY THE MOST, PEOPLE WHO USE THE LEAST TO PAY THE LEAST.

OKAY.

>> STAFF IS GOING TO GIVE US BOTH A BET.

>> AND YES, WE DO TAKE DISCOVERY.

>> I LOVE IT. MR. LINDSEY.

>> JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TALK HAS BEEN AROUND UTILITY BILLING.

I'M GOOD WITH ALL THE OTHER FORMS. I THINK PEOPLE COMING IN AND PAYING FOR THE RECLASS OR WHICHEVER, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CHECKS.

THAT'S JUST BEING PROCESSED AT THE TERMINAL FEE.

THAT'S NOT THE DOLLAR 25 FEE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT HAPPENS ON THE UTILITY BILLING.

I SEE ALL THAT SEPARATE AND NOT NEEDING TO BE ADJUSTED.

THE FINAL PART THAT I JUST WANTED TO ALSO MENTION, IF IT'S POSSIBLE IN YOUR RESEARCH IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GIVE A DISCOUNT? I SAY THAT THERE'S A 1% DISCOUNT IF YOU SIGN UP FOR ACH.

AND THAT WAY WE ELIMINATE THE THIRD PARTY PROCESSING FEES AND PROBABLY SAVE A LOT MORE MONEY THAT WAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DONE IN SOME BUSINESSES.

WE'LL GIVE YOU A CASH DISCOUNT, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, JUST ACH, WHERE IT'S AUTOMATIC, IF THEY'RE POSSIBLE TO DO SOME DISCOUNT AROUND THAT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO SIGN UP WITH THAT INSTEAD.

>> I'M NOT AWARE IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO.

>> DO YOU TAKE DINERS CLUBS.

YOU GOT TO BE A CERTAIN AGE TO GET THAT, JOKE.

I DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF NOT CONTINUING TO ABSORB THESE FEES.

BUT DEFINITELY MISS NASH, TELL ME, IF I'M WRONG, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO BRING THIS BACK.

LET ME GET YOUR MIC ON.

I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AS WELL.

>> YES, WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING THIS BACK.

I CAN'T COMMIT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE THE ONE AFTER, BUT WE'LL SHORT STAFFED IN FINANCE RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE WILL START WORKING ON ALL THESE NUMBERS AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU IN OCTOBER.

AS I SAY, I WANT YOU TO BRING IT BACK WHEN YOU'RE READY WHEN YOU'VE DONE ALL THE RESEARCH AND ALL THAT.

>> YES, SIR.

>> YES, I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF REVISITING THIS, FOR SURE.

I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF ABSORBING THOSE COSTS.

MISS RED, WE DID GET YOUR COMMENTS, AND SO THAT IS FOR THE RECORD, AND WE WILL ASK THEM QUESTIONS.

WE'LL GET THOSE ANSWERS FOR YOU. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SIDE?

>> THANK YOU, MR. BALDWIN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. I'M G EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[G. Executive Session]

I WILL KNOW ITEM NUMBER 1 HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE AGENDA, SO WE WILL NOT BE PRESENTING THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. THAT LEADS US ITEM 2.

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, PRESENT TO SECTION 551.071 SUBSECTION 2 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE CITY'S OBLIGATION UNDER THE TEXAS PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT AT TIME GRANGER.

>> 8:25 P.M.

>> WE ARE ADJOURNING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 8:25.P.M.

WE ARE RECONVENED BACK IN THE OPEN SESSION. THE TIME OF SCREENER?

>> 8:55.

>> RECONVENE AT 8:55.P.M. AND OPEN SESSION.

[01:55:03]

NEXT TIME, MAY, ITEM EACH ACTION RESULTING FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[H. Action Resulting from Executive Session]

AGAIN, ITEM 1 WAS PULLED, SO NO ACTION THERE. ITEM 2.

TAKE ANY ACTION AS A RESULT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING THE CITY'S OBLIGATION UNDER THE TEXAS PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT.

ANYBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

I SEE NONE. NO ACTION NECESSARY TO TIME OF SCHEDULE.

>> 8:56 P.M.

>> 8:56 P.M. WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.