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WANT TO WELCOME EVERYONE OUT TO THE SACHSE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. TODAY IS MONDAY, OCTOBER 5TH,

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2026. THE TIME MS. GRANGER? 6:30 P.M. WE ARE CALLED TO ORDER AT 6:30 P.M.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I'VE ASKED MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS TO OFFER THE INVOCATION AND MISS BUHLER TO LEAD THE PLEDGES. IF YOU WILL, PLEASE RISE. PLEASE PRAY WITH ME.

DEAR LORD, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO GATHER THIS EVENING AS WE PREPARE OUR CITY FOR THE FUTURE. PLEASE GIVE US THE WISDOM AND THE ATTENTION TO LISTEN TO ALL ARGUMENTS.

MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR OUR FUTURE, FOR OURSELVES AND OUR CITIZENS.

I ALWAYS ASK THAT YOU LOOK OVER ALL OF OUR STAFF AS THEY KEEP THE CITY RUNNING DAY TO DAY AND KEEP THEM SAFE.

AND ALWAYS ASK THAT YOU LOOK OVER THE MILITARY THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, WHEREVER THEY MAY BE.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR CITY AND PLAN FOR THE BEST FUTURE THAT WE MAY SEE FIT.

AND GIVING US THE WISDOM TO MAKE THE BEST CHOICE.

AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU, YOU MAY BE SEATED.

[B. Recognition]

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM B RECOGNITION ITEM 1.

PRESENT A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING OCTOBER AS NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH.

IF I COULD HAVE THE GREAT CODE COMPLIANCE STAFF JOIN ME DOWN FRONT.

AND JUST TO INTRODUCE YOU, MISS RAEMHILD, MIGUEL QUINTERO, AND JULIUS TRUE.

GREAT, GREAT TEAM. AND WE WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT.

THEY ARE ALWAYS HARD AT WORK OUT IN THE FIELD, AND WE WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND RECOGNIZE THEIR EFFORTS.

WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION WE'D LIKE TO READ. THIS IS NATIONAL CODE.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THIS IS NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH. AND TO CELEBRATE THAT, I'D LIKE TO READ A PROCLAMATION INTO THE RECORD.

WHEREAS NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2005 BY PRESIDENT GEORGE W.

BUSH IN WAKE OF HURRICANE KATRINA, TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE AND IMPACT THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HAVE A CHALLENGING AND DEMANDING ROLE AND OFTEN DO NOT RECEIVE RECOGNITION FOR THE JOB THAT THEY DO.

TO IMPROVE LIVING AND WORKING CONDITIONS FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF LOCAL COMMUNITIES.

AND WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE DEDICATED AND HIGHLY QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS WHO SHARE THE GOALS OF PREVENTING NEIGHBORHOOD DETERIORATION, ENHANCING AND ENSURING SAFETY AND PRESERVING PROPERTY VALUES THROUGH KNOWLEDGE AND APPLICATION OF HOUSING, ZONING AND NUISANCE CODES AND ORDINANCES. AND WHEREAS, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE CALLED UPON TO PROVIDE QUALITY CUSTOMER SERVICE AND EXCELLENT EXCELLENCE TO THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY SERVE.

WHEREAS, THE CITY OF SACHSE AND THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT WANTS TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND CODE PROFESSIONALS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND BRING AWARENESS TO THE IMPORTANCE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JEFF BICKERSTAFF, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SACHSE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF OCTOBER AS NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH IN SACHSE AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO JOIN SACHSE CITY COUNCIL IN RECOGNIZING AND EXPRESSING THEIR APPRECIATION FOR THE DEDICATION AND SERVICE OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO SERVE AS OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. CONGRATULATIONS, GUYS. [APPLAUSE].

WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PHOTO OPPORTUNITY.

[C. Public Comment]

ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM C PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS COUNCIL REGARDING ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION, PUBLIC HEARING, COMMENTS REGARDING THE CONSENT AGENDA OR ANY DISCUSSION ONLY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA MAY BE ADDRESSED DURING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. THE TIME LIMIT IS THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.

A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD SHALL BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY SECRETARY PRIOR TO THE MEETING. ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, COUNCIL IS PROHIBITED FROM DISCUSSING ANY ITEM NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA, BUT WILL TAKE COMMENTS UNDER ADVISEMENT.

I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS THIS EVENING. FIRST ONE IS MARTY HOBOK.

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MARTY HOBOK, 5511 OAKRIDGE CIRCLE, SACHSE, TEXAS.

TOP OF THE HILL. FIRST OF ALL, BIG SHOUT OUT TO MASTEC DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL.

THEY'VE BEEN MIRED UP TO THEIR NECKS TRYING TO GET THOSE POLES RELOCATED FOR, WHAT, FIVE MONTHS? AND THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH HELL. BUT THEY GOT IT STRAIGHT.

THEY GOT IT CRANED. THEY'RE ON A GOOD CHANCE.

YOU ALWAYS LOVE A GOOD SHOUT OUT WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

STILL WAITING ON A RESPONSE FOR THE EMAIL. FOUR YEARS OLD.

STILL HAVEN'T HEARD BACK ON IT. ACCORDING TO JEFF, CITY MANAGER'S MADE WELL OVER $1 MILLION IN THAT TIME IN SALARY.

AND YOU'D LIKE TO THINK FOUR YEARS AND $1 MILLION TO GET A RESPONSE ON AN EMAIL THAT YOU SENT ME WOULD BE NICE.

I'M SURE AFTER LAST WEEK, JEFF'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT TO SAY MAYBE.

AND I'M TIRED OF ARGUING WITH YOU. SO I'M JUST GOING TO START POSTING ALL THIS ON FACEBOOK, AND 30,000 PEOPLE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT Y'ALL ARE ON.

BECAUSE WHEN IT'S IN PRINT AND EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT, THINGS JUST KIND OF CHANGE SOMETIME.

5TH STREET DISTRICT. THERE'S A LOT OF CRAZINESS COMING DOWN THE ROAD.

YOU GAVE A $350,000 STUDY THAT Y'ALL SPLIT WITH THE EDC, AND THE PERSON SAID, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY MONEY.

THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU GIVE AN 88,000 STUDY TO SOMEBODY ELSE, AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO SEE WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO.

BUT THE PART THAT I REALLY FOUND AMAZING IS YOU SPENT $10 MILLION UP THERE, $3 MILLION OF IT CAME FROM THE EDC, AND THE REST CAME FROM Y'ALL SOMEWHERE.

I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNDS THAN IT IS, BUT I KNOW THERE WAS CITY MONEY IN THERE THAT CAME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND FOR SOMETHING.

AND MISS HOWARTH DOESN'T KNOW HOW MUCH IN PROPERTY TAXES THAT VALUE HAS GONE UP.

I ASKED. NO RESPONSE BECAUSE Y'ALL DON'T. SO WHEN'S THIS GOING TO COME TO A HEAD AND WHEN'S THIS NIGHTMARE GOING TO COME TO AN END? MAYBE ON THE 15TH.

THANK YOU. NEXT CARD I HAVE IS TED KIRBY.

IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

TED KIRBY, 2234 RIDGEVIEW. IT'S WHERE I RESIDE.

MY BUSINESS IS 6206 HIGHWAY 78 IN SACHSE, AND I HAVE A PLACE ON THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, A WAREHOUSE, WHICH IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT.

THE STREET I'VE EVEN SEEN POST. THANK YOU. MATTHEW.

I'VE SEEN POSTS ABOUT PEOPLE THAT JUST DRIVEN IN THERE APPALLED AT HOW BAD THE STREETS ARE.

AND I'VE BEEN CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS REALLY DONE THEIR JOB BECAUSE THEY HAVE, [LAUGHTER] THEY'VE BEEN ON, ON. ON INDUSTRIAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUSINESSES THERE FOR A LONG TIME STATING THAT THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS AND THE STREET IS GOING TO BE FIXED.

BUT IT'S A YEAR AWAY. MY QUESTION IS, WHEN WILL IT BE FIXED? ONE. NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO. I'VE ALSO BEEN TOLD THERE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A DRIVE UP.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A CURB AND OVER. WELL, IF YOU DRIVE IN PARK LANE AND YOU CAN'T DRIVE UP OVER IN MY PROPERTY ON MY.

THEN YOU'RE GOING TO. YOU'RE GOING TO DAMAGE YOUR VEHICLE.

THERE'S LITERALLY REBAR STICKING OUT OF THE CONCRETE.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE IT FIXED? AND PLEASE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST FIX THE STREETS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SURVEY.

YOU JUST PUT THE STREETS BACK THE WAY THEY ARE.

THAT'S AND I HOPE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

I'D LIKE TO TALK TO SOMEONE AND SEE WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE FROM WHAT THEY ARE.

SO WHO DO I GO TO FIND THOSE QUESTIONS TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED? OKAY. WE CAN'T RESPOND. OKAY, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT MAYBE AFTER MAYBE AFTER THIS, SOMEONE WILL TELL ME.

YOU KNOW [LAUGHTER] I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT FEELS THIS WAY.

AND A YEAR AWAY. OKAY, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES.

BUT THOSE STREETS ARE HORRIBLE. DRIVE ON THEM AND SEE.

THANK YOU. NEXT CARD I HAVE IS DALE SWANSON.

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IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. OKAY. MY NAME IS DALE SWANSON.

I'M KIND OF NERVOUS, SO. I HAVE PROPERTY AT INDUSTRIAL DRIVE AND SAME THING.

WE DON'T KNOW. AND NONE OF US PROPERTY OWNERS ON INDUSTRIAL DRIVE HAD ANY IDEA THAT YOU GUYS HAD A NEW DESIGN, HIRED PEOPLE TO COME IN, PUT CURBS. I WASN'T AWARE OF THIS UNTIL TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS BEFORE.

SO WE HAVE TRACTOR TRAILER RIGS THAT COME IN AND DELIVER STUFF TO EVEN MAKE IT EVEN TIGHTER BY DOING THE DESIGNS.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS SEEN IT. OR, YOU KNOW, WE GO DOWN TO THE END OF THE STREET, MAKE A COMPLETE U-TURN.

I INVITE YOU ALL TO COME DOWN TO MY PLACE. I'LL SHOW YOU MY PLACE.

MINE'S A SMOOTH APPROACH, JUST LIKE TED SAID, THE TRACTOR TRAILER RIGS AND THE VEHICLES CAN'T COME IN AND OUT.

ALL WE NEED TO DO IS JUST MAKE SOME APPROACHES WHERE THE TRACTORS CAN COME IN AND TURN THE CORNER SO THEY'RE NOT SO SHARP.

AND THEN THE APPROACH AT THE HIGHWAY, SAME THING WHEN THEY CLOSE THE AND PUT THE CONCRETE IN BETWEEN A DIVIDER, THEY CAN'T MAKE THE TURN. SO INSTEAD OF TEARING ALL OF MY DRIVEWAY UP AND SPENDING ALL THAT EXTRA MONEY, MINE'S NOT TORN UP. SEVERAL OF THE DRIVEWAYS DON'T NEED TO BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED.

ALL THAT EASEMENT IS STILL IN GOOD SHAPE. I HATE TO SEE THE CITY SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY WHEN IT'S NOT DAMAGED.

WE JUST WANT OUR STREET FIXED THAT'S IT. I'M.

SAME THING WITH TED. RODNEY MARSHALL COULDN'T MAKE IT TO SPEAK HERE.

HE'S ONE OF THE OWNERS ALSO. SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY WE CAN ADDRESS, WE INVITE YOU TO COME DOWN OR MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH US, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU OUR PROPERTIES. THANK YOU.

FINAL CARD I HAVE IS MISS JANE REED.

IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. JUST LET ME GET MY STUFF JANE REED. 2204 CORNWALL LANE SACHSE. I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS.

I WAS NOT GOING TO BRING THIS UP, BUT I AM, BECAUSE IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CITY STANCE WILL BE ON MUSLIM CALL TO PRAYER.

I KNOW THIS IS A FIVE TIMES A DAY POSITION BASED ON THE POSITION OF THE SUN.

LATELY. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE CURRENT MOSQUE IS DOING TEST RUNS OF CALL TO PRAYER, BUT SOMETHING'S GOING ON AND IT'S LOUD. SO GOING TO THAT IN WITH THAT.

AND THEN I ALSO HAD CITY, THE CITY WEBSITE CHECK REGISTERS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THE LAST CHECK REGISTERS ON THE SYSTEMS. APRIL 2026. SO WHEREAS MAY, JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, I MEAN, THOSE SHOULD BE AT LEAST ON THERE.

AND THEN MY LAST CONCERN IS, AND I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP SEVERAL TIMES, BUT I AM BEGGING ASKING THAT CORNWALL SACHSE ESTATES. CORNWALL, VICKSBURG, NATCHEZ, GREENSBORO THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD I'VE BEEN ASKING SINCE 2022 ABOUT GETTING THAT STREET REDONE AND Y'ALL HAVE DONE THE ASPHALT OR WHATEVER Y'ALL CALL IT.

THE OVERLAY. Y'ALL HAVE PATCHED IT. YOU'VE REDONE A SECTION IN FRONT OF MY STREET.

I MEAN, MY HOUSE, BECAUSE I CAN'T EVEN GO OUT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S SLOPES.

I'M. I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE THE AGENDA THIS WEEKEND ABOUT THE PROPOSED WHAT'S GOING TO BE TALKED ABOUT ON THE POSSIBLE 2027 BOND AND I DO NOT SEE SACHSE ON THERE AND I AM BEGGING YOU TO RECONSIDER PUTTING SACHSE ON THERE. I HAVE SPOKEN OVER THE YEARS.

JON LEHRER, COREY NESBITT, LAUREN ROSE, JEFF BICKERSTAFF, GINA NASH, LEAH, LOGAN, THATCHER, BRIAN JAFFE, JEREMY WEISMAN ABOUT THIS. I'VE GOT EMAILS.

I'M MY. I'VE SPENT ALL DAY GOING THROUGH EMAILS AND I'VE BEEN ALWAYS.

THE ONE THING I'VE BEEN BROUGHT TO ATTENTION TO IS ALWAYS, OH WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT TO THE 2028 BOND

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PROGRAM. BUT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, I DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING.

EVERY SEVERAL OF Y'ALL HAVE FOCUSED ON THAT. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE GOING TO 2027.

AND SO IS IT GOING TO BE SIX YEARS TILL 2033? THAT'S ALL SPEAKERS CARDS I HAVE. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM D.1.

[D. Council/Staff Reports and Updates]

REPORT ON PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

THERE WERE A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2026 MEETING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS.

THE FIRST COMMENTS WERE FROM MATTHEW HOBOK. FIRST, MR. HOBOK REFERENCED ON NOVEMBER 3RD, 2022 EMAIL, IN WHICH MISS NASH TOLD MR. HOBOK HE WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, QUOTE, THE ORIGINAL INCREASE AND THE DELTA FOR UNITED HEALTHCARE. END QUOTE. AFTER REVIEWING THIS WITH MISS NASH, A FOLLOW UP EMAIL WAS NOT SENT.

HOWEVER, THE SUGGESTION THAT THE INFORMATION WAS HIDDEN OR THAT MISS NASH LIED ABOUT IT IS LAUGHABLE.

THE HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS, THE ORIGINAL UNITED HEALTHCARE RENEWAL, THE RESULTING SAVINGS AND THE YEAR END FINANCIAL RESULTS WERE ALL DISCUSSED AT SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL MEETINGS IN 2023. THE CITY'S BUDGET. THE CITY BUDGET'S HEALTH INSURANCE CONSERVATIVELY, BECAUSE THE FINAL RENEWAL IS NOT KNOWN WHEN THE BUDGET IS PREPARED, AND ANY DIFFERENCE EITHER REDUCES EXPENDITURES OR REMAINS IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND TO HELP OFFSET FUTURE INCREASES. IN OTHER WORDS, MR. HOBOK'S QUESTION WAS ANSWERED TO SOMEHOW TURN A PUBLICLY BUDGETED, PUBLICLY REPORTED HEALTH INSURANCE RESERVE INTO A SO-CALLED SLUSH FUND IS QUITE THE LEAP.

NEXT, MR. HOBOK AGAIN ASKED HOW MANY SPEED HUMPS ARE ON [INAUDIBLE] AND AGAIN ACCUSED STAFF OF LYING ABOUT THE ANSWER.

THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED REPEATEDLY AT PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

FINALLY, MR. HOBOK ASKED ABOUT THE LETTING DATE FOR MERIT ROAD, CLAIMING THE CITY IS, QUOTE, 20 MILLION OR SOMETHING.

IN THE WHOLE TECH SIDE IS NOT THE PROBLEM. AND SOMEBODY DROPPED THE BALL.

END QUOTE. NO ONE DROPPED THE BALL. MERIT ROAD IS NOT A PROJECT THAT SACHSE CAN SIMPLY ADVERTISE FOR CONSTRUCTION ON ITS OWN TIMETABLE.

THIS PROJECT IS FUNDED THROUGH A COMBINATION OF LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING AND IS SUBJECT TO STATE AND FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.

THE CITY MAY ULTIMATELY CONDUCT THE CONSTRUCTION LETTING. BUT BEFORE THAT CAN HAPPEN, THE PROJECT MUST SATISFY TXDOT AND FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS AND RECEIVE THE REQUIRED AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED. THE NEXT COMMENT WAS FROM JOSEPH [INAUDIBLE].

I KNOW I SAID THAT WRONG. REGARDING THE INSTALLATION OF A SAFE HAVEN BABY BOX IN AND SACHSE.

FOLLOWING HIS COMMENTS, MISS NASH AND CHIEF WADE REVIEWED THE PROGRAM. TEXAS LAW, THE COST INVOLVED AND FIRE RESCUE'S CURRENT SAFE HAVEN CAPABILITIES.

BOTH OF OUR FIRE STATIONS ARE STAFFED 24/7 AND ALREADY PROVIDE A SAFE, LEGAL AND IMMEDIATE OPTION FOR INFANTS SURRENDER UNDER THE TEXAS BABY MOSES LAW.

AFTER REVIEWING THE POTENTIAL BENEFITS, COST, OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND THE SERVICES ALREADY AVAILABLE IN SACHSE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND INSTALLING A BABY BOX. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY INTEREST FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DATE TO EXPLORE THIS PROGRAM FURTHER.

THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE FROM. FROM THE SEPTEMBER 21ST MEETING. WOULD ANYBODY ON COUNCIL LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS MADE AT THAT MEETING? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM D.2 MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARDING SPECIAL EVENTS, CURRENT ACTIVITIES AND LOCAL ACHIEVEMENTS. ANYONE ON COUNCIL LIKE TO ADDRESS THE AUDIENCE AT THIS TIME? MISS BUHLER. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU MAYOR.

I HAVE SOME PARKS AND RECREATION ANNOUNCEMENTS.

ARE YOU NEW TO PICKLEBALL? JOIN US FOR AN INTRO TO PICKLEBALL CLASS ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 10TH FROM 8:00 TO 9:00 A.M.

AT THE MICHAEL J. FELIX COMMUNITY CENTER. YOU WILL LEARN THE RULES, SCORING AND THE BASICS OF THE GAME.

THE CLASSES FOR AGES 12 AND UP AND THE COST IS 14 PER CLASS.

BRING YOUR OWN PADDLE OR BORROW ONE OF OURS. REGISTER ONLINE AT THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

COME ON OUT AND GIVE PICKLEBALL A TRY. NEXT UP WE HAVE FALL-O-WEEN.

FALL-O-WEEN IS LESS THAN TWO WEEKS AWAY. JOIN US ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 17TH FROM 4:00 TO 8:00 P.M.

AT HERITAGE PARK, 4408 HUDSON DRIVE. FOR AN EVENING PACKED WITH HALLOWEEN FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY.

ENJOY ALL OF YOUR FAVORITE FALL ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING A HAUNTED MAZE, CORNHOLE, CREEPY CARNIVAL FOOD VENDORS, LIVE PERFORMANCES, A PETTING ZOO, COSTUME CONTEST, A TRICK OR TREAT MARKET, AND A 250 DRONE SHOW AT 7:30 P.M.

THE EVENT IS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. FREE PARKING IS AVAILABLE AT SACHSE HIGH SCHOOL AND HUDSON MIDDLE SCHOOL.

AND FINALLY, BRING THE WHOLE FAMILY TO THE MICHAEL J.

FELIX COMMUNITY CENTER ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER 23RD FROM 7:00 TO 8:30 P.M.

FOR A SPOOKTACULAR EVENING OF FRIENDLY DODGEBALL, CREEPY GOOD SNACKS, AND CHANCES TO WIN THRILLING PRIZES.

COSTUMES ARE ENCOURAGED. REGISTER ONLINE FOR THE FAMILY HALLOWEEN DODGEBALL NIGHT AT THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

THANK YOU. I CAUGHT THE SPOOKTACULAR, I CAUGHT THAT.

[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU, MISS BUHLER. MR. MILLSAP.

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OH, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, I GOT YOU. IF YOU HIT YOUR MIC AGAIN ONE MORE TIME.

MR. MILLSAP. OKAY. LIBRARY ANNOUNCEMENTS. COZY COLORING.

NEED A RELAXING NIGHT OUT. ADULTS AND TEENS AGED 14 AND OLDER ARE INVITED TO A COZY COLORING ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER THE 8TH FROM 6:00 TO 7:30 AT THIS PUBLIC LIBRARY.

UNWIND WITH SEASONAL BACKGROUND MUSIC, COLORING SUPPLIES, AND LIGHT REFRESHMENTS.

IT'S A PERFECT FOR A NIGHT OUT WITH FRIENDS OR A DATE NIGHT.

SO IT'S FREE. COME AND GO. EVENT FOR AGES 14 AND OLDER.

ALSO BABY AND ME. BABY'S FIRST HALLOWEEN PARTY.

IT'S FRIDAY, OCTOBER THE 9TH FROM 10:00 UNTIL 11:00 A.M.

BABIES AGED 0 TO 18 MONTHS AND THEIR CAREGIVERS ARE INVITED TO CELEBRATE THEIR FIRST HALLOWEEN ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER THE 9TH FROM 10:00 TO 11:00 AT THE SACHSE PUBLIC LIBRARY.

COME IN COSTUME OR DRESS COMFORTABLY AS YOU EXPLORE SENSORY PLAY STATIONS AND A CUTE PHOTO OP AREA.

THIS IS ANOTHER FREE EVENT. NO REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED AND IN TRY TRY A HOBBY EVENT CONTINUES. IT'S HOT GLUE WATER COLORING.

ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER THE 13TH, 6:00 TO 7:00 ADULTS AND TEENS AGE 14 AND OLDER ARE INVITED TO OUR FREE MONTHLY TRIAL HOBBY PROGRAM ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER THE 13TH FROM 6:00 TO 7:00. THIS MONTH, PARTICIPANTS WILL WATERCOLOR PAINT PRE-MADE DESIGNS OUTLINED IN HOT GLUE IN A STEP BY STEP CLASS ACTIVITY. THANK YOU, MR. MILLSAP. MR. LEGH-PAGE.

ANIMAL SHELTER ANNOUNCEMENTS. OUR FEATURED PET IS CUCUMBER.

CUCUMBER YOUNGEST RESIDENT. A BIG BOY WITH AN EVEN BIGGER HEART.

AT JUST SIX MONTHS OLD AND ALREADY 50 POUNDS.

THIS ANATOLIAN MIX IS A PERFECT MIX OF GOOFY PUPPY LAID BACK CUDDLES.

CUCUMBER LOVES EVERYONE HE MEETS AND IS GREAT WITH PEOPLE AND KIDS.

HE'S READY TO GROW UP WITH THE FAMILY OF HIS OWN.

ANYONE INTERESTED IN MEETING CUCUMBER IS ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT SACHSE ANIMAL SHELTER AT 972-675-9662 TO SCHEDULE A MEET AND GREET. AND THAT'S A GOOD LOOKING DOG. [LAUGHTER] YEAH.

HE'S BIG. HE'S. HE'S BIG. WHO COULD RESIST THAT? YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. LEGH-PAGE. ANYONE ELSE ON COUNCIL? WITH THAT, MISS NASH. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WANT TO WELCOME A FEW NEW HIRES.

GIOVANNI SILVA IS A MAINTENANCE TECH FOR US IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

MICHAEL SUMMERS IS A MAINTENANCE TECH IN PUBLIC WORKS.

AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE CARA. I'M EXCITED FOR ALL OUR NEW HIRES.

BUT THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, CARA MELVILLE, IS OUR FINANCE AND PURCHASING MANAGER.

WE HAVE BEEN WITHOUT AN INCUMBENT IN THAT POSITION FOR NINE MONTHS.

A KEY POSITION IN FINANCE. AND SO I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT SHE STARTED TODAY WHICH GOES INTO MY CORE VALUES, RECOGNITION OF INNOVATIVE. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DAVID BALDWIN, OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, AND JONAH NANCE, OUR ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR, FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. THIS YEAR, WE DECIDED TO MOVE UP OUR BUDGET PROCESS AND START EARLIER THAN USUAL.

AND THAT MEANT THAT DAVID AND JONAH HAD TO BUILD A PRELIMINARY BUDGET BASED ON PROJECTIONS, WITH THAT KEY POSITION BEING VACANT FOR SO LONG BEFORE CERTIFIED PROPERTY VALUES WERE AVAILABLE.

SO THEY WERE DOWN A TEAM MEMBER AND WERE WORKING REALLY HARD TO GET THIS BUDGET DONE EARLY.

THIS YEAR'S BUDGET THEME WAS OUR STORY REIMAGINED.

SACHSE IS MOVING PAST ITS GROWTH PHASE AND INTO A NEW CHAPTER OF SLOWER GROWTH.

AND THAT SHIFT CALLS FOR NEW THINKING. AND DAVID AND JONAH DELIVERED.

THEY FOUND INNOVATIVE WAYS TO CREATE SAVINGS IN THE BUDGET. AS WE ENTER THIS NEXT PHASE.

OUR INNOVATIVE CORE VALUE ASKS US TO TURN OUR IDEAS INTO SOLUTIONS THAT MAKE US MORE EFFICIENT, RESPONSIVE, AND PROACTIVE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT JONAH AND DAVID DID.

THANK YOU TO YOU BOTH. MR. BALDWIN SEEMED ESPECIALLY HAPPY WITH THAT FIRST PART OF YOUR ANNOUNCEMENT.

[LAUGHTER] GOOD JOB, DAVID, AND YOUR WHOLE TEAM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE ANNOUNCEMENTS. TOMORROW NIGHT IS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT TUESDAY, OCTOBER 6TH.

TOMORROW NIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BE ALL THROUGHOUT NEIGHBORHOODS CELEBRATING NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WITH BLOCK PARTIES, COOKOUTS, COMMUNITY FUN.

THIS IS AN ANNUAL EVENT THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR. IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS. AND SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT AND ABOUT, YOU CAN CONNECT WITH OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL.

AND WE ALSO WE ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

AS WE COME TOGETHER AND STRENGTHEN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TIES THAT MAKES SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.

THIS COMING SATURDAY, OCTOBER 10TH, 9:00 A.M.

TO 1:00 P.M. IS THE SACHSE FARMER'S MARKET. TOUCH A TRUCK.

TOUCH A TRUCK IS ROLLING INTO THE SACHSE FARMER'S MARKET THIS SATURDAY, OCTOBER 1ST, EXCUSE ME.

OCTOBER 10TH FROM 9:00 A.M. TO 1:00 P.M. AT THE FIFTH STREET DISTRICT, 3324 5TH STREET.

GET AN UP CLOSE LOOK AT A SACHSE POLICE VEHICLE, THE KIND YOU WANT TO GET AN UP CLOSE LOOK AT, NOT THE OTHER WAY YOU GET AN UP CLOSE LOOK AT THE VEHICLE. SACHSE FIRE [LAUGHTER] RESCUE TRUCK,

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CWD GARBAGE TRUCK, AND MORE. WHILE YOU SHOP WITH YOUR FAVORITE LOCAL VENDORS, BRING YOUR FAMILY.

BRING YOUR KIDS, EXPLORE THE TRUCKS, MEET NEW PEOPLE WHO OPERATE THEM, AND THE KIDS IN COSTUME WHO COME IN COSTUME WILL RECEIVE A CANDY GIVEAWAY.

WHO DOESN'T LIKE THAT? SO WE WILL SEE YOU SATURDAY AT THE MARKET.

NOW THE FOLLOWING SATURDAY. SATURDAY, OCTOBER 17TH FROM 9:30 A.M.

TO 1:30 P.M. IS PUBLIC SAFETY DAY. JOIN THE SACHSE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT.

FOR PUBLIC SAFETY DAY WE WILL BE AT CITY HALL.

PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, I SHOULD SAY 3815 D SACHSE ROAD.

THIS IS A FREE FAMILY EVENT. WILL FEATURE PAINTING GAMES FOR ALL AGES AND FREE ICE CREAM.

NOW WHO DOESN'T LIKE FREE ICE CREAM? THE CREDIT UNION OF TEXAS FOOD TRUCK WILL BE SERVING FOOD FROM 10:30 A.M.

TO NOON. CARTER BLOODCARE, LONE STAR SEARCH AND RESCUE, THE SECRET SERVICE.

OH. SECRET SERVICE. OKAY, [LAUGHTER] ANIMAL SERVICES AND MEDICAL CITY SACHSE WILL ALSO BE ON SITE.

BRING THE WHOLE FAMILY TO MEET OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS AND LEARN ABOUT SAFETY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, AN UPDATE ON OUR PEANUT BUTTER BOWL.

WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THIS YEAR'S PEANUT BUTTER BOWL TO SUPPORT THE NORTH TEXAS FOOD BANK.

TOGETHER, WE COLLECTED 928 POUNDS OF PEANUT BUTTER AND RAISED $2,546 IN DONATIONS TO HELP FIGHT HUNGER ACROSS OUR REGION.

THAT IS NEARLY FOUR TIMES THE 243 POUNDS WE COLLECTED LAST YEAR.

AND AS A SIDE FOOTNOTE, ROWLETT EDGED US OUT BY 5 POUNDS.

SO I TOLD MAYOR WINGET IN ROWLETT THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE NEXT YEAR.

SO CONGRATULATIONS, NOT JUST TO ROWLETT, BUT ALSO TO THE NORTH TEXAS FOOD BANK.

WHO IS THE REAL WINNERS IN OUR PEANUT BUTTER DRIVE.

AND AGAIN, NEXT YEAR WE WILL SEE HOW THE NUMBERS ALL PLAY OUT.

OKAY WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL THE ANNOUNCEMENTS WE HAVE. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM C E EXCUSE ME,

[E. Consent Agenda]

THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 1. APPROVE THE 20 SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2026 MEETING MINUTES.

ITEM 2. ACCEPT THE MONTHLY REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE REPORT FOR THE PERIOD ENDING AUGUST 31ST, 2026. ITEM 3. AUTHORIZE A PURCHASE OF ONE 2026 JOHN DEERE 310P BACKHOE LOADER FROM RDO EQUIPMENT THROUGH THE SOURCEWELL COOPERATIVE PURCHASING PROGRAM. NUMBER ONE.

EXCUSE ME, 011723-JDC NOT TO EXCEED $127,000.

ITEM 4. AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A SEVEN-YEAR CONTRACT WITH MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS FOR BODY WORN, IN-CAR AND INTERVIEW ROOM CAMERA SYSTEMS, THE ASSOCIATED HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, CLOUD STORAGE, INSTALLATION AND WARRANTY FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS IN THE AMOUNT OF $267,399.50.

DO I HAVE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO REMOVE ANYTHING? MR. FRANKS. 3, PLEASE.

ITEM 3 IS REMOVED, MR. LEGH-PAGE. GOT THE SAME ONE.

SAME ONE. ITEM 3. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, SO WE HAVE ITEM 3 WILL BE REMOVED. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE CONSENT FOR ITEMS 01, 2 AND 4. MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE ITEM E.1, 02, AND 4 AS PRESENTED.

MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS TO APPROVE ITEMS 1, 2 AND 4 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? MISS HOWARTH. SECOND. SECOND BY MISS HOWARTH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AGAIN, PLEASE CAST YOUR BALLOT FOR THE APPROVAL OF ITEMS 1, 2 AND 4.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, BACK TO ITEM 3.

[3. Authorize the purchase of one 2026 John Deere 310P Backhoe Loader from RDO Equipment through the Sourcewell cooperative purchasing program (#011723-JDC) not to exceed One Hundred Twenty-Seven Thousand and No/100 Dollars ($127,000.00).]

AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE OF ONE 2026 JOHN DEERE 310P BACKHOE LOADER FROM RDO EQUIPMENT THROUGH THE SOURCEWELL COOPERATIVE PURCHASING PROGRAM, NUMBER 011723-JDC, NOT TO EXCEED $127,000. MR. MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS OR MR. LEGH-PAGE, WHOEVER WANTS TO.

SINCE MAYOR PRO FRANKS SAID IT FIRST. GO AHEAD.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN THE BUDGET.

I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THE PURCHASE PRICE COMPARED TO THE BUDGETED PRICE.

AND IT'S NOT A NEW ITEM. IT'S A PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED BUDGET ITEM.

I JUST WANT TO GO OVER THAT REAL QUICK. YES. SO THE ITEM WAS BUDGETED.

WE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED $133,000 FOR THIS ITEM.

WE'RE ASKING FOR NOT TO EXCEED $127,000. IF YOU SAW ON THE ATTACHMENT, THE EQUIPMENT PRICE THEY QUOTED US WAS $126,564. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BETWEEN WHEN THE BID, WE GET THE BID, IF THERE'S ANY SLIGHT MODIFICATION THAT WE GO UP TO THE 127. BUT AS YOU KNOW, THIS ITEM IS IN THE UTILITY FUND.

AND SO ANY OF THE BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 133 WE BUDGETED AND THE 127 THAT WOULD JUST GO TO FUND BALANCE IN THE WATER FUND.

MR. LEGH-PAGE. I THINK THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE ME.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. DO WE HAVE OTHER BIDS OR DO WE ONLY GET EQUIPMENT FROM THIS ONE PLACE? SO I CAN ANSWER THAT. WHAT WE DO IS WE GO THROUGH THE.

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WE GO THROUGH A COMPANY CALLED SOURCEWELL. IT'S A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING PROGRAM.

SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GO AND THEY GET COMPETITIVE BIDS ON OUR BEHALF.

AND THEY DO THIS FOR ANY CITY ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT SIGNS UP FOR THEM.

AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT THEY'RE GETTING A BETTER PRICE ON BACKHOE LOADERS THAN WE WOULD GET IF WE WENT AND JUST BOUGHT ONE, BECAUSE THEY ARE BIDDING ON THIS ON BEHALF OF THE WHOLE STATE.

AND SO THEY GET A STATE CONTRACT TO GET THE PRICES LOWER THAN IF WE WENT AND BID ON IT INDIVIDUALLY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IF WE WENT AND GO AND DID PUT OUT A BID TO BUY A BACKHOE LOADER, THEY DO ALL OF THAT WORK FOR US AND THAT'S HOW WE END UP PURCHASING IT.

WE USE OTHER ONES TOO. WE USE HOUSTON, GALVESTON PURCHASING AUTHORITY.

THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM, BUT THIS WAS THE ONE WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE BEST PRICE.

WHY DO WE NEED IT? DO WE HAVE ONE THAT'S DOWN? ARE WE ADDING ANOTHER ONE? THIS IS A REPLACEMENT WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THE OTHER ONE? IT HAD OUTGROWN ITS USEFUL LIFE.

AND SO WE PUT IT ON AUCTION TO SELL IT, AND THEN WE REPLACE IT.

SO WHAT WE DO EVERY YEAR WITH OUR VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND IS WE HAVE VEHICLES THAT ARE UP EVERY YEAR, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR AGE IS, AND THEN WE DETERMINE IF THEY CAN STILL LAST OR IF IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO BE REPLACED.

WE GO OFF OF USEFUL LIFE. AND IN THE CASE OF THIS ONE, WE HAD A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT IT WAS OVERDUE ON.

IT'S TIME TO BE REPLACED. I'M NOT SURE. DO WE KNOW? RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE WAS OUR OTHER ONE FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT ARE I MEAN, THAT'S $10,000 FOR FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE IF OUR OTHER ONE DIDN'T HAVE IT.

I JUST DID A QUICK SEARCH AND FOUND A 310. THEY GO UP TO $130,000 UNLESS YOU HAVE ALL THE PREMIUM ADD ONS.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. WHY WE WOULD NEED ALL THESE PREMIUM ADD ONS IF IT'S A FRONT LOADER, LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING I COULD WORK AND I DON'T.

I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD NEED ALL THIS, THIS STUFF.

WAS THERE A 2025 MODEL THAT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT WAS $90,000 WAS, IS A USED ONE THAT'S TWO YEARS OLD, SOMETHING THAT'S THERE BECAUSE THERE, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A POLICE EQUIPMENT.

IT'S IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT THAT 213 IS NOT CORRECT.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY JUST SAID OUT OF THE BLUE. SO THE 126 MAY BE CORRECT, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED THE MERCEDES OPTIONS ON THIS. IS IT LEATHER SEATS? IS IT? LIKE THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE A VERY BASIC, VERY BASIC FRONT LOADER. NOW THAT THAT FRONT LOADER THAT WE HAD IS IT'S IF IT'S ALREADY GONE AND WE ALREADY SOLD IT, OR COULD WE HAVE USED THE BUCKET ON IT BECAUSE THOSE BUCKETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND THAT COULD HAVE EASILY SAVED OFF.

SO AGAIN, I WAS IT WAS BEFORE ME, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION OFF OF IT.

I LIKE TO BUY CARS AND I LIKE TO BUY STUFF, BUT I ALWAYS, I SEE WHAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON THERE.

SO JUST A LOT OF A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR IT TO, TO HAVE IT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THE OTHER ONE? IS IT GONE? OH NO, WE DON'T GET RID OF EQUIPMENT UNTIL.

THAT'S ALL I GOT. OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS. MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE E.3 AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM E.3 AS PRESENTED FROM MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? MR. PRESTENBERG. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. PRESTENBERG. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR BALLOT.

MOTION CARRIES WITH MR. LEGH-PAGE VOTING NO. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM F.

[1. Consider authorizing the City Manager to execute a two-year interlocal agreement between the City and the North Texas Tollway Authority (NTTA) in the amount of One Hundred Fifty-Four Thousand, Seven Hundred One and No/100 Dollars ($154,701.00) to be paid to the City annually for law enforcement services on the portion of the President George Bush Tollway (PGBT) within the jurisdictional limits of the City of Sachse.]

ACTION ITEMS. ITEM 1. CONSIDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A TWO-YEAR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE NORTH TEXAS TOLLWAY AUTHORITY NTTA IN THE AMOUNT OF $154,701 TO BE PAID TO THE CITY ANNUALLY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES ON THE PORTION OF THE PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TOLLWAY PGBT WITHIN THE JURISDICTIONAL LIMITS OF THE CITY OF SACHSE. MISS NASH.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL CHIEF SYLVESTER WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU ABOUT OUT THIS NTTA PROGRAM THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

OBVIOUSLY, DPS USED TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES AND THEY WILL NOT BE MOVING FORWARD.

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AND SO CHIEF SYLVESTER WILL PRESENT THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT THE CHANGES BEING MADE RELATIVE TO THIS.

HELLO, CHIEF. HELLO, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

I EXPECT AT THIS POINT ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT BACK IN THE EARLY SUMMER, DPS ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WOULD DISCONTINUE OR NOT RENEW THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE NORTH TEXAS TOLLWAY AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES ALONG THEIR TOLLWAY SYSTEM.

SO WHAT THE TOLLWAY HAS ELECTED TO DO IS COMMUNICATE WITH ALL OF THE 39 OR SO AFFECTED JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THEIR TOLLWAY SYSTEM TO OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THOSE JURISDICTIONAL AGENCIES TO PROVIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES WITHIN THE TOLLWAY SYSTEM. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF THIS.

CURRENT CONDITIONS, SOME INTERLOCAL PROVISIONS, EXPECTED IMPACT TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY AS A WHOLE.

AND NEXT STEPS FOR YOU. SO AS WE SPOKE HERE JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO, THEIR CONTRACT ENDED AUGUST 31ST.

SO SINCE THAT TIME, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS RESPONDED TO CALLS AS THEY OCCUR WITHIN THAT PORTION OF THE TOLLWAY.

OF NOTE, THERE IS NO STATUTORY REQUIREMENT FOR THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE OR CONTRACT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES.

SO WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE OF THE PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURN WAY, OR TOLLWAY AND SACHSE.

POLICE AND FIRE HAVE ALWAYS HAD PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY FOR FIRE AND MEDICAL RESPONSE.

POLICE DEPARTMENT REGARDING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND DPS HAD RESPONSIBILITY FOR CRASH INVESTIGATION AND REPORTING, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, AS WELL AS PUBLIC ASSISTANCE CALLS, DEBRIS, PERSONNEL IN ROADWAYS, STRANDED MOTORISTS, ETC. WHICH FRANKLY, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE HANDLED BY THE TOLLWAY ASSISTANCE VEHICLES THAT YOU'VE SEEN CONGREGATED DOWN IN PLANO, WHERE THEY'VE GOT 30 OF THEM STACKED UP THERE.

YEAH, THEY GOT A BUNCH OF THEM [LAUGHTER]. THEY DO. SO JUST A LITTLE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED WHILE DPS WAS WORKING THE TOLLWAY UNDER THEIR CONTRACT. WE'VE HAD 20 CALLS FOR SERVICE AND THAT THROUGH, THROUGH THE END OF JUNE OF 2026.

AND THAT INCLUDES FIRE RESPONSE PRIMARILY FOR MAJOR ACCIDENTS.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ROLLS OUT TO CRASHES ON THE TOLLWAY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDS AS WELL BECAUSE FRANKLY, IT TAKES DPS SOME, SOME TIME TO GET THERE AND WE CAN GET THERE QUICKER.

AND WE WANT TO BACK UP OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS ACTUAL TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ON THE TOLLWAY BY YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY OR PRIOR TO THIS ILA OPPORTUNITY, IT'S BEEN FAIRLY MINIMAL, A HANDFUL A MONTH OR LESS.

SO THIS AGREEMENT IS FOR AN INITIAL TWO YEAR TERM.

IN MEETING, WE MET NOT ONLY AS A GROUP OF CHIEFS WITH THE NTTA DIRECTOR, BUT ALSO INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE DIRECTOR REGARDING CONTRACT PROVISIONS. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE CONTRACT THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, THE INTERLOCAL THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS SIMILAR TO EVERY AGENCY.

THEY WANT TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME RELATIVE TO THEIR PRICING MODEL AND RELATIVE TO THE PROVISIONS WITHIN THE CONTRACT.

I'VE SPOKEN TO MY COUNTERPART IN ROWLETT. THEY HAVE ALSO PRESENTED THIS IN A WORKSHOP TO THEIR COUNCIL.

AND THE PROVISIONS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. THE ONE THING THAT THEY ARE CHANGING FROM WHAT THEY HAD WITH DPS WAS THEY DESIRE A 180 DAY TERMINATION NOTICE REQUIREMENT. SHOULD WE ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT AND DECIDE AT SOME POINT TO EXIT DPS ADHERED TO THAT 30 DAY NOTICE THAT THEY HAD EXISTING, BUT IT CAUSED THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY TO SCRAMBLE AND LOOK FOR OPTIONS TO ENSURE THAT THERE WAS APPROPRIATE COVERAGE THAT THEY DESIRED FOR THEIR SYSTEM AS A WHOLE. SO WE WOULD WE, AS YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ROUTINE PATROL, CRASH RESPONSE AND A LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE, AS WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN RELATIVE TO ANY CRIMINAL MATTERS EMANATING FROM THE TOLLWAY.

I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT ROUTINE PATROL MEANS, BECAUSE I DELVED INTO THAT PRETTY THOROUGHLY WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR REGARDING WHAT THEY EXPECT FROM US. THIS IS NOT ASSIGNING AN OFFICER TO SIT ON THE TOLLWAY DAY IN AND DAY OUT, WHETHER IT BE VISIBLE OR WHETHER THEY'RE JUST DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE TOLLWAY OR STATIONARY, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. WE WOULD ACCOMPLISH THIS WITH OUR EXISTING PERSONNEL.

I'M NOT PROPOSING TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF OR EQUIPMENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY. BECAUSE OF OUR STRETCH OF THE HIGHWAY IS A MILE LONG.

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GENERALLY, IT'S NOT REAL PRODUCTIVE FOR US TO JUST SIT UP THERE AND RUN RADAR BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE GET SOMEBODY STOPPED, WE'RE IN PLANO OR WE'RE IN WE'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ROWLETT.

SO WE DO DO ENFORCEMENT ON OCCASION NOW, I EXPECT WE WOULD DO A NOMINAL INCREASE IN ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY THERE, BUT OUR PRIMARY EMPHASIS WOULD REMAIN ON OUR INTERIOR STREETS AND SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF OUR CRASHES.

THE TOLLWAY SYSTEM IN OUR SECTION OF THE CITY IS NOT A HEAVILY CRASHED IMPACT AREA RELATIVE TO THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITY.

SO AS PART OF THAT, ILA, AS YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT, THEY'RE ASKING FOR US TO COMMUNICATE CRASH DATA TO THEM, WHICH WE NATURALLY WOULD DO. AND NUMBERS AND TYPES OF CALLS THAT WE RESPOND TO OTHER THAN CRASH INCIDENTS.

WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS AN ANNUAL PAYMENT TO THE CITY OF $154,701.

AND THAT IS THE SAME FORMULA THAT THEY'RE USING FOR EVERY OTHER ENTITY THAT THEY ARE PRESENTING THIS ILA TO.

IT'S BASED ON WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE RATE THAT DPS CHARGES TO THEM, WHICH CALCULATES NOT ONLY THE DPS TROOPER RATE OF PAY, BUT ALSO FACTORS IN THE COST OF THE VEHICLE, FULLY EQUIPPED GAS.

EVERYTHING PERTAINING TO OPERATION OF A TROOPER ON THE TOLLWAY IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THIS PARTICULAR FORMULA.

SO THAT SLIDES TO US, AND THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN THIS FOR TWO YEARS.

BECAUSE AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY HAD 30 DAYS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.

AND THIS IS THE AVENUE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PURSUE NOW.

WHAT HAPPENS TWO YEARS FROM NOW? WE'RE STILL UNSURE OF WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.

WE'VE HEARD THAT THEY MAY DESIRE TO ENLIST THE DALLAS COUNTY SHERIFF TO TAKE OVER A LARGER PORTION OF THE TOLLWAY.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU, INITIALLY, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS DECLINED TO PARTICIPATE.

I'VE HEARD VARYING REASONS, BUT NONE FROM THE SHERIFF HERSELF.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPECULATE ON WHAT THOSE SPECIFIC REASONS MAY BE TONIGHT.

AND THIS FUNDING WOULD BE SOURCED VIA TOLL TAG FEES.

IT'S NOT DEPENDENT ON ANY STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDING.

AND OF COURSE, AS IT STANDS TODAY, ANY CITATIONS THAT WE ISSUE DO NOT GO TO THE TOLLWAY FOR EITHER ADJUDICATION OR ALSO FINE DISBURSEMENT THAT WOULD STAY WITHIN OUR MUNICIPAL COURT SYSTEM AS IT IS NOW.

WHAT DO I EXPECT FOR THE IMPACT? I DON'T EXPECT ANY INCREASED IMPACT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AS IT STANDS WITH ANY INJURY CRASHES, TOXIC CHEMICAL SPILLS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY CONTINUE TO RESPOND AS THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY.

AS THEY RESPOND TO INCIDENTS, WE ALWAYS BACK THEM UP AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

WHAT I THINK THAT WE'LL SEE IS OBVIOUSLY OUR STAFF, OUR OFFICERS IN THE FIELD WILL BE REQUIRED TO RESPOND TO CRASHES AND CONDUCT INVESTIGATION AND REPORTING OF THOSE TRAFFIC CONTROL, TRAFFIC CONTROL AT SCENES.

WE WILL HAVE THE NTTA COURTESY TRUCKS THAT WILL CONTINUE WORKING IN OUR AREA AS THEY HAVE BEEN.

BUT AS AGAIN, AS WE DO FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOW WAITING AND HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR DPS TO RESPOND, WE WILL GO UP TO THE SCENE AND PROVIDE TRAFFIC CONTROL AND TRAFFIC DIRECTION FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

WE TALKED ABOUT OUR RESTRAINED TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT PHILOSOPHY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT. WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN OUR PRIORITY OF EFFORT WITHIN OUR INTERIOR STREETS.

BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU WILL SEE INCREASED TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ON THE HIGHWAY AS A WHOLE.

OF COURSE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION WE'RE STILL GOING TO MAINTAIN AND OTHER PD RESPONSE.

WE'VE ALREADY SEEN A COUPLE OF THINGS THIS PAST MONTH.

SINCE SEPTEMBER 1ST, WITH THE DEBRIS IN THE ROADWAY, ROADWAY HAZARD CAUSED BY STRANDED MOTORISTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT OVERALL, OUR FIRST MONTH WITHOUT DPS WORKING THAT AREA, WE WORKED FOR MINOR CRASHES, A COUPLE DUE TO RAIN AND A COUPLE OF THEM THAT THAT WE RESPONDED TO THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ANYTHING BUT CALL NOTES AND A COUPLE THAT HAD ACTUAL CRASH REPORTS COMPLETED.

SO OVERALL I THINK THE IMPACT TO US WILL BE STAFF. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO OUR RESPONSE TIMES ON ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN THE CITY, AND I'LL JUST MAKE THIS COMMENT THAT WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT, BUT WE STILL WILL BE RESPONDING TO ALL THESE ALL THESE THINGS.

I THINK THE RECOMMENDED OPTION FOR ME IS TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT SO THAT THE CITY IS COMPENSATED FOR THE

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RESOURCES THAT ARE UTILIZED ON THE TOLLWAY SYSTEM.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU CHIEF. YOU STOLE MY THUNDER AT THE VERY END. BUT WHETHER WE ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT OR NOT, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE FROM SACHSE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ENFORCEMENT.

WHEN WE INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS, YOU WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS A MUCH, MUCH LESS TERMINATION NOTICE.

AND NOW IT'S 180 DAYS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUALMS WITH THAT, OR IS THERE A NEGOTIATION AT ALL WITH THAT? I THINK THE THERE IS NO NEGOTIATION.

GORFIDA WILL ATTEST TO THAT. HIS FIRM ALSO REPRESENTS SEVERAL OTHER CITIES OF WHICH ARE LARGER THAN OURS AND SMALLER THAN OURS, AND THEY ARE STICKING FIRM TO THIS 180-DAY REQUIREMENT.

AGAIN, I REALLY BELIEVE THE IMPACT. YES, THERE WILL BE IMPACT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ABSORBED WITHIN OUR EXISTING STAFF MODEL, WITHIN OUR EXISTING RESPONSE TIME, CAPABILITIES AND GOALS.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE IMPACT TO US.

OKAY. SO NO ISSUES WITH 180 DAYS. NO, SIR. OKAY.

AND JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A POLICY, IF IT'S YOUR OPINION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

BUT WE'VE ALWAYS, AS WE GET CALLS AND OPINIONS FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT THE LOUD CARS OR ALLEGEDLY FAST CARS ON 190 AND STICKING AN OFFICER OUT THERE AND PATROLLING, WE'D MUCH RATHER HAVE THEM ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE BUSINESSES.

AND JUST TO REITERATE, THAT'S NOT CHANGING. I MEAN, YES, WE MAY HAVE TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME OUT THERE, BUT YOUR POLICY OPINION IS WE WANT THEM IN THE STREETS.

WE WANT THEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE BUSINESSES. YES, SIR.

OKAY. AND THE LAST THING IS, IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF CLARIFY, WHENEVER THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT ON THE PGBD, WHENEVER THERE WAS A CRASH INVESTIGATION, YOU ALL RESPONDED, BUT DPS DID THE CRASH INVESTIGATIONS, CORRECT? WE WILL SPEND ADDITIONAL TIME COMPLETING AN ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION. THAT CAN TAKE HOURS UPON HOURS.

IT DEPENDS.

THANK YOU, CHIEF SYLVESTER. I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

WE DON'T OFTEN SEE OUR SERVICES AND RESOURCES THAT WE'RE ALREADY PROVIDING, GETTING REIMBURSED.

SO I THINK THIS IS AWESOME. AND WE'LL JUST KIND OF SEE HOW IT GOES. I'M CURIOUS, THE 154,000, IS THAT THE EXACT AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE OFFERING EVERY CITY, OR IS IT BASED ON MILEAGE? NO, MA'AM. THAT'S SPECIFIC TO US. EACH THEIR FORMULA IS BASED ON LANE MILES WITHIN AN INDIVIDUAL JURISDICTION, SUCH AS, AS AN EXAMPLE, ROWLETT, THEY HAVE SEVEN MILES OF LANES AND SO THEIR PAYMENT IS EXPONENTIALLY LARGER.

PLANO. RICHARDSON. CARROLLTON. IRVING. SIMILARLY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. PRESTENBERG. YES.

HEY, CHIEF, IS DPS, ARE THEY WITHDRAWING ALL THEIR TROOPERS, LIKE FROM ALL GEORGE BUSH TOLLWAY OR IS IT JUST SMALLER CITIES OR? SO THEY'VE DISCONTINUED. THEY'VE. THEY ELECTED NOT TO RENEW THEIR CONTRACT.

AND SO THEY HAD A 70 ODD TROOPERS ASSIGNED TO THE TOLLWAY SYSTEM IN VARIOUS SECTORS THROUGHOUT THAT SYSTEM.

THEY HAVE ALL BEEN WITHDRAWN. AND SO THEY ARE NOT ACTIVELY WORKING THE TOLLWAY SYSTEM CURRENTLY.

NOW, THEY MIGHT HEAR THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING PAID TO DO SO.

AND THEY'VE PUBLICLY STATED THAT THE REASON THAT THEY'RE PULLING THESE TROOPERS OUT IS BECAUSE OF OTHER CRITICAL NEEDS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

OKAY. AND THEN JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK A LITTLE BIT ON MAYOR PRO TEM QUESTION.

WITH THE, WITH THE EXTRA INVESTIGATIONS THAT MIGHT TAKE PLACE OR WHATEVER, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT THAN HIGHWAY 78 OR MERRITT, WHATEVER. SO IS THERE ADDITIONAL TRAINING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INVOLVED THAT Y'ALL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, FOR PROTECTION ON WHEN IT COMES TO HIGH SPEED, YOU KNOW, MOVING AND DIFFERENT TYPE OF INVESTIGATIONS YOU MIGHT NEED.

SO THERE'S HIGHWAY SAFETY TRAINING THAT'S AVAILABLE THROUGH THE COG. AND WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THAT.

BUT OUR OFFICERS ARE TRAINED IN GENERAL HIGHWAY SAFETY TACTICS RELATIVE TO CRASH INVESTIGATIONS.

WE HAVE PROCEDURES, POLICY AND TRAINED CRASH RECONSTRUCTIONISTS THAT SPECIFICALLY ARE CALLED OUT TO WORK.

SERIOUS INJURY OR FATALITY CRASHES AS THEY MAY OCCUR ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.

RIGHT I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS LIKE A NEGOTIATION PLOY TYPE THING, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.

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YOU KNOW, IN TWO YEARS WHAT, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. SO THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. MR. MILLSAP. OKAY. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS WILL NOT REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL OR EQUIPMENT, BUT THEN THIS BRINGS BACK THE QUESTION IS, IT'S $154,000 OF ADDITIONAL MONEY COMING IN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THAT THAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THAT MONEY RETAIN IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ALLOW YOU TO BUY SOME THINGS.

I AGREE WITH THAT LINE OF THINKING [LAUGHTER]. THAT YOU DON'T. THAT, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR.

IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET SINCE IT'S A ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY BUDGETED AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO, WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO BE DOING MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING, BASICALLY.

BUT ALSO ON REIMBURSEMENT FOR ANY PORTION OR OF AN INVOICE AS TO WHICH NTTA QUESTIONS THE VALIDITY OR LACK OF SERVICES PROVIDED. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S ALMOST SAYING IF THEY DON'T THINK YOU'RE WORKING HARD ENOUGH, [LAUGHTER] THEY CAN CUT THE MONEY AND NOT PAY IT.

IS THERE ANY PROVISION THEN THAT IF YOU'RE WORKING MORE THAN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED, WE GET TO INCREASE THE BUDGET? NO, SIR. [LAUGHTER] BUT I'LL TELL YOU, I DID HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THE AGREEMENT AS WELL.

AND I'M SATISFIED THAT OUR PROPOSAL FOR HOW WE WOULD RESPOND AND HOW WE WOULD WORK THAT AREA.

WE WOULD BE WELL WITHIN THE INTENT AND LANGUAGE OF THE EXISTING CONTRACT.

SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND COUNCIL, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND THE CHIEF AND I DISCUSSED THIS, AND AS YOU KNOW, OUR CITY DOES REPRESENT MANY OTHER CITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE SAME CONTRACT, BUT THEY WERE JUST NOT WILLING TO NEGOTIATE. WE SENT THAT BACK WITH THAT LANGUAGE STRIKE OUT AND PUT IN SOME MORE TERMS THAT WERE MORE MEASURABLE.

AND THEY WERE JUST THEY JUST DID NOT WANT TO REMOVE ANYTHING. I THINK WE GOT LIKE ONE THING CHANGED IN THERE AND THAT WAS IT SO.

OKAY AN OPTION OR THEY WOULD EVEN CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT UNLESS WE WERE DERELICT IN OUR RESPONSE, MEANING WE DON'T RESPOND OR WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THINGS AS THEY OCCUR, WHICH WILL NOT HAPPEN WITH YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE BASICALLY WE ONLY HAVE TWO ACCESSES TO THE TOLL ROAD IN CITY OF SACHSE ANYWAY, RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. MISS NASH. COUNCILMAN ALSO MAYOR AND COUNCIL CHIEF AND I ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT HE THEY ALREADY TRACK, OBVIOUSLY ALL OF OUR CALLS ACROSS THE CITY.

WE HAVE ALL OF THAT DATA, BUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS MAKING SURE THAT WE PULL OUT ALL THE DATA RELATIVE TO THIS FOR TRACKING PURPOSES, SHOULD WE EVER GET AUDITED, THAT HE'S GOING TO MAKE SURE TO KEEP THAT IN A SEPARATE PLACE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AT THE READY, SHOULD THERE BE AN AUDIT AND THAT WE WOULD BE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO THAT.

BUT AS HE MENTIONED, WE HAVE VERY MINIMAL CALLS OUT THERE.

SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP ALL THAT INFORMATION AND BE PREPARED SHOULD WE EVER GET ASKED AND AUDITED.

THANK YOU, MISS NASH. AND JUST BACK ON THE TERMINATION AGREEMENT.

IF MY MATH IS RIGHT, THAT'S SIX MONTHS NOTICE.

OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR CHIEF SYLVESTER OR STAFF? THANKS, CHIEF. THANK YOU. ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. COME ON DOWN.

MARTY HABOK. 5511 OAK RIDGE CIRCLE. SACHSE, TEXAS.

TOP OF THE HILL. QUICK AND EASY IS THE BILLING FLAT RATE EVERY MONTH, OR IS THERE BOOKKEEPING THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO SEND IN AN INVOICE? AS IN IF YOU'RE BUSY OR NOT BUSY OR IS IT JUST FLAT RATE? HERE IT IS. THANK YOU. IT'S BILLED EVERY MONTH WITH NO REPORTING REQUIREMENT RELATIVE TO BILLING.

YEAH. THANK YOU CHIEF. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO DRESS THIS UP? COME ON DOWN. JANE REED 2204 CORNWALL LANE. I GUESS. IT'S JUST A COMMENT.

I GUESS I JUST DOES NOT SIT WELL. OR WHEN YOU HEAR THE POLICE CHIEF SAY THAT IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE TO PUT A POLICEMAN ON GEORGE BUSH FOR PERIODS OF TIME THAT JUST DOES NOT SIT WELL WITH ME.

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BUT I'VE HEARD THAT AS WELL. THAT HAPPENS ON 78 TOO.

THEY DON'T. SO I GUESS THE. THE ROUTINE PATROL.

I GUESS NONE OF Y'ALL MUST LIVE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE I LIVE ON CORNWALL RIGHT OFF MURPHY AND I CAN LAY IN BED AND I'M HEARING SPEEDERS ALL NIGHT LONG. AND. AND THEY'RE COMING FROM GEORGE BUSH AND THEY'RE COMING FROM BUNKER HILL.

SO I JUST SO I GUESS THIS CITY DOES NOT. DOES NOT FEEL LIKE THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF. THEY RATHER GO PATROL THE, THE STREETS.

I GUESS I'M JUST CONFUSED ON WHAT TO SAY ABOUT [LAUGHTER] THAT I COME TO IF I HAVE A CHILD DIE ON GEORGE BUSH AND I FIND OUT THAT THIS CITY HAS BEEN TOLD THAT IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE TO HAVE POLICE PATROL OUT THERE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO SIT WELL. CHIEF SYLVESTER.

THANK YOU MAYOR. I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE EVER SAID IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE.

TRY TO CATCH SOMEONE THAT'S SPEEDING DOWN THE ROAD CAN BE HIGHLY DANGEROUS ONE.

AND WHERE THAT PERSON'S GOING TO END UP BEING STOPPED WILL NOT BE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IT WILL BE IN RICHARDSON, PLANO, GARLAND, ROWLETT, SOMEWHERE ALONG THOSE LINES.

AND I WOULD NEVER. I WOULD NEVER SUGGEST NOR EXPECT THAT WE TURN A BLIND EYE TO ANYTHING. AND FOR MISS REED TO SAY THAT THEY'RE ALSO NOT ON 78 IS ABSOLUTELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY FALSE. WE ARE ON 78 EVERY DAY AND EVERY NIGHT, MAKING TRAFFIC STOPS, MAKING ARRESTS FOR VARIOUS OFFENSES, AND CONTINUE TO DO SO DAY IN AND DAY OUT. RELATIVE TO GEORGE BUSH ITSELF, I'VE STATED THAT THERE WILL BE EXPECTED ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT. WE'RE NOT TURNING A BLIND EYE TO ANYTHING.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS SOMEONE GOING 100 MILES AN HOUR THAT ENTERS OUR COMMUNITY IS OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY IN 15 OR 20S.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEYOND THAT.

THANK YOU CHIEF. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF SYLVESTER.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.

HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL OR MOTIONS.

MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS. IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.

WE GOT A MOTION TO DISCUSS MOTION TO APPROVE F.1 AS PRESENTED. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS TO APPROVE ITEM F.1 AS PRESENTED.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? MR. PRESTENBERG. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. PRESTENBERG. WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION SOME MORE IF YOU WANT TO.

IF NOT, WE WILL VOTE ON THIS MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR BALLOT.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM F.2.

[2. Discuss and consider approving a resolution awarding group insurance renewal bids to United Healthcare for group medical insurance; Aetna for group dental insurance; Surency for administration of COBRA, retiree billing, flexible spending, health savings, and health reimbursement accounts; Alliance Work Partners for the employee assistance program; NY Life for group life and disability insurance; Legal Shield for voluntary prepaid legal services; AFLAC for voluntary group accident, critical illness, and medical supplemental insurance; and authorizing the City Manager to execute the terms and conditions of the various group agreements by and between the City of Sachse and said parties for said coverages; providing a repealing clause; and providing for an effective date.

Cory Hood, Account Executive with HUB International, will present. ]

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING A RESOLUTION AWARDING GROUP INSURANCE RENEWAL BIDS TO UNITED HEALTHCARE FOR GROUP MEDICAL INSURANCE. AETNA FOR GROUP DENTAL INSURANCE.

SURENCY FOR ADMINISTRATION OF COBRA RETIREE. EXCUSE ME.

BILLING, FLEXIBLE SPENDING, HEALTH SAVINGS AND HEALTH REIMBURSEMENT ACCOUNTS. ALLIANCE WORK PARTNERS FOR THE EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. NEW YORK LIFE FOR GROUP LIFE AND DISABILITY INSURANCE. LEGAL SHIELD FOR VOLUNTARY PRE-PAID LEGAL SERVICES.

AFLAC FOR A VOLUNTARY GROUP ACCIDENT, CRITICAL ILLNESS AND MEDICAL SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE AND AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE TERMS AND EXCUSE ME. TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE VARIOUS GROUP AGREEMENTS BY, BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF SACHSE AND SAID PARTIES FOR SAID COVERAGES, PROVIDING A REPEALING CLAUSE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MISS NASH.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS IS OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

RELATIVE TO THE 2027 EMPLOYEE BENEFITS RENEWAL, CORY HOOD IS OUR ACCOUNT EXECUTIVE WITH HUB INTERNATIONAL, WHO IS OUR BROKER FOR INSURANCE SERVICES AND NEGOTIATES ON OUR BEHALF.

JANA VENTURA, OUR HR DIRECTOR, IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR BENEFITS PACKAGE AND OUR PLAN.

BUT CORY WILL WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN JANA WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. I WAS GONNA SAY IT LOOKS LIKE MR. HOOD IS GOING TO START THE PRESENTATION, SO WELCOME, MR.

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HOOD. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I WAS HERE BACK IN JUNE TO GIVE YOU A BIT OF A STATE OF THE AFFAIRS AS FAR AS THE NATIONAL AND TEXAS EMPLOYEE BENEFIT AND HEALTH CARE SPACE. SO I WANTED TO CONTINUE ON THAT CONVERSATION, AS WELL AS WALK THROUGH THE RESULTS OF THE RFP RENEWALS. THE AGENDA TONIGHT WILL WALK THROUGH BOTH THE MEDICAL, DENTAL AND VISION, AS WELL AS THE OTHER ITEMS FOR RENEWAL THAT ARE ON RATE GUARANTEES AS WELL AS LOOKING FORWARD INTO THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS OF OUR BENEFITS.

THIS IS JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF THOSE LINE ITEM COVERAGES.

STARTING WITH MEDICAL AND PHARMACY AT THE TOP, DENTAL AND VISION.

THOSE THREE WERE UP FOR RENEWAL THIS YEAR. AND SO THEY REQUIRED AND WERE RECOMMENDED TO GO OUT FOR AN RFP, LIFE, AD&D AND A DISABILITY WE'RE IN A RATE GUARANTEE, SO NO RFP WAS REQUIRED AS WELL AS THE SPENDING ACCOUNTS.

EAP, THE VOLUNTARY WORK SITE, AND THE LEGAL AND ID THEFT PROTECTION.

STARTING WITH THE MEDICAL AND PHARMACY, WE DID GO OUT TO MARKET AND GOT TWO RESPONSES FROM BOTH UHC, THE INCUMBENT CARRIER AS WELL AS CURATIVE FOR A COMPETITIVE OFFER.

THE INITIAL OFFER FROM UHC WAS A 42% INCREASE, WHICH IS ABOUT A $1.1 MILLION INCREASE OVER CURRENT RATES.

DENTAL WAS ABOUT A 3% WITH AETNA WE DID GET SOME MORE COMPETITIVE RESPONSES WITH DENTAL AND THEN VISION WE HAD QUITE A FEW COMPETITIVE RESPONSES.

LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT MEDICAL TO BEGIN WITH.

THESE ARE A FEW OF THE NOTES THAT I MENTIONED BACK IN JUNE.

THE STATE OF THE HEALTH CARE MARKET, JUST IN THE UNITED STATES, IS SEEING DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASES BOTH ON MEDICAL AND PHARMACY.

SO SEGAL IS ONE OF THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE NATIONAL COST HEALTH PLANS SURVEYS FOR 2026, THEY PREDICTED ABOUT A 9.3% INCREASE ON MEDICAL, ABOUT 11% INCREASE ON PHARMACY. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THAT INCREASE COMING INTO 2027 TO ABOUT 9.7 ON MEDICAL AND ABOUT 12.9% ON PHARMACY. AS MENTIONED, THE INITIAL OFFER FROM UHC WAS ABOUT A 42% INCREASE.

THAT WAS PRIMARILY CITED BY BOTH THE NATIONAL TRENDS AS WELL AS THE CITY OF SACHSE OWN LOSS RATIO AND HISTORICAL CLAIMS EXPERIENCE.

OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS, I WAS ABOUT 125% LOSS RATIO, WHICH MEANS THAT THAT CAME IN ABOUT 25% OVER THE ACTUAL PREMIUMS COLLECTED BY UHC FOR THE COVERAGE. THROUGH THE BEST AND FINAL NEGOTIATIONS, THAT WAS DECREASED TO ABOUT A 36% INCREASE.

AND THEN WE LOOKED AGAIN AT BENCHMARK ANALYZES TO DETERMINE WHERE WE COULD MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THE PLAN DESIGNS.

AND THROUGH CONTRIBUTION OPTIONS THAT INCREASE WILL BE ABOUT 24.5% FOR THE CITY, OR 32.5% OVERALL.

JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT INTO THAT CALCULATION, ONE OF THE PRIMARY DRIVERS OF THOSE RENEWAL RATES ARE IS THE LOSS RATIO.

UHC IS GOING TO LOOK PRIMARILY AT THE LAST 12 MONTHS AND LAST 24 MONTHS OF CLAIMS EXPERIENCE.

WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR BOOK OF BUSINESS, THEY'RE REALLY TARGETING AN 80 TO 85% LOSS RATIO.

THAT MEANS THEY'RE PAYING OUT CLAIMS FOR ABOUT 80 TO 85% OF THAT PREMIUM COLLECTED, LEAVING A RESIDUAL 15% FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.

THEIR OWN COSTS AND PROFIT MARGIN ABOVE 85 TO 100%, DEPENDING ON THE MARKET.

USUALLY IT'S A MODEST INCREASE, 100 TO 120. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.

THE CITY OF SACHSE OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS WAS 125%, AND THAT, IN CONJUNCTION WITH JUST THE MACRO ENVIRONMENT, RESULTED IN THAT INCREASE THAT WE SAW. WE MENTIONED THIS ALREADY.

IN ADDITION TO THE LOSS RATIO AND THE NATIONAL TRENDS.

AND THE CARRIERS WILL LOOK AT THEIR OWN BOOK OF BUSINESS CLAIMS EXPERIENCE.

SO THE CITY OF SACHSE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE EXPERIENCING ELEVATED CLAIMS BECAUSE OF THIS.

EVEN IF YOU HAD A BETTER PERFORMING YEAR, THERE STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN INCREASES.

I'M GOING TO SKIP TWO AHEAD AND COME BACK JUST ONE SECOND HERE.

AND OUR BENCHMARKING, THESE ARE LIKE SIZED NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPALITIES.

I WANTED TO SHOW JUST THE LOSS RATIOS THAT WE'RE SEEING REALLY, ON AVERAGE AMONG THESE SEVEN AND THE RENEWALS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THOSE.

SO THAT FIRST, A 92% LOSS RATIO JUST SLIGHTLY ABOVE TARGET STILL RECEIVED ABOUT A 9% INCREASE.

GOING DOWN, WE SEE THE REST AT RIGHT ABOUT 100% OR MORE.

THAT AVERAGE LOSS RATIO IS ABOUT 101, AND THE AVERAGE RENEWAL IS ABOUT 17.4% FOR THIS BOOK OF BUSINESS.

LOOKING BACK AT SACHSE SPECIFIC PAST PERFORMANCE BACK TO 2022, JUST SHOWING SOME OF THE 12 MONTHS LOSS RATIO THAT WERE USED FOR EACH OF THESE RENEWALS.

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SOME OF THE ALL OF THESE HAD RFPS DURING THIS YEAR, AND WE SAW A MOVE FROM 2023 TO 2024 WITH AETNA, WHICH IS WHY WE GOT THAT DECREASE. BUT EVERY OTHER RENEWAL SINCE THEN, INCLUDING NOW, HAS BEEN AN INCREASE.

LOOKING AT THE SPECIFIC RESPONDENTS FOR THE RFP, MEDICAL AND PHARMACY UHC, THE INCUMBENT QUOTED CURATIVE AS WELL.

FOR DENTAL, THERE WERE FOUR RESPONDENTS, THE TWO MENTIONED, AS WELL AS UNITED, CONCORDIA AND METLIFE, AND THEN VISION HAD HAD SEVEN RESPONDENTS THERE.

SURENCY IS YOUR INCUMBENT THERE. WE INVITED AETNA.

EXCUSE ME. WE INVITED UNITED HEALTHCARE TO RESPOND FOR ALL MEDICAL, DENTAL AND VISION, AS WELL AS THE INCUMBENTS FOR EACH OF THOSE LINES OF COVERAGE.

LOOKING AT YOUR PLAN DESIGNS, I KNOW THIS IS A PRETTY LENGTHY SLIDE, BUT THIS IS GOING TO SHOW THE PLAN DESIGNS FOR EACH OF THE THREE PLANS, WITH CURRENT ON THE LEFT AND RENEWAL ON THE RIGHT.

SO WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT THE BENCHMARK PLAN DESIGNS TO SEE WHERE THERE WAS SOME OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SAVINGS.

AS MENTIONED, IT WAS ABOUT A 36% INCREASE IF WE KEPT ALL PLANS EXACTLY THE SAME.

MOVING TO THESE THREE PLAN DESIGNS GIVES ABOUT A 32.5% INCREASE.

SO A QUICK NOTE ON THIS. YOUR HSA PLAN IS THE PLAN ON THE LEFT.

THAT CHANGE WAS REALLY JUST THE DEDUCTIBLE AND OUT OF POCKET INCREASE FROM 5,000 TO 6,350.

THAT'S GOING TO MAINTAIN A MATCHING DEDUCTIBLE OUT OF POCKET.

SO AS SOON AS YOU HIT YOUR DEDUCTIBLE, THERE IS NO FURTHER COSTS THERE AND THERE'S 100% COINSURANCE MOVING ON.

THE PPO PLAN, WE MAINTAIN DEDUCTIBLE AND OUT OF POCKET, BUT WE INCREASED THE COINSURANCE FROM 20% TO A 30% POST-DEDUCTIBLE.

THE SUREST PLAN OVER ON THE FAR RIGHT, WE ACTUALLY PROVIDED A DECREASE OR LOOKED AT A DECREASE TO THE OUT-OF-POCKET MAX THERE.

AS A REMINDER, THAT PLAN DOES NOT MAINTAIN DEDUCTIBLES.

INSTEAD, IT'S A CO-PAY DESIGN PLAN SO THAT OUT OF POCKET DECREASED.

AND THEN WE SEE SOME COPAY CHANGES DOWN BELOW.

LOOKING AT THE MEDICAL CONTRIBUTIONS, WE DID DO A LARGE ADJUSTMENT REALLY WITH THE AIM OF INCENTIVIZING ENROLLMENT IN THE HSA PLAN AND THE SUREST PLAN, WHICH ARE YOUR TWO BETTER PERFORMING PLANS? WE SEE A LOT OF OUR BENCHMARK BOOK OF BUSINESS MOVING TO HSA PLANS OR HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLANS, AND THEN COPAY ONLY PLANS BEFORE THIS CONTRIBUTION CHANGE, THE CITY OF SACHSE WAS CONTRIBUTING ABOUT 88% OF THE TOTAL PREMIUMS. OUR BOOK OF BUSINESS SHOWED ABOUT 84%, WHICH IS WHAT WE SEE HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE HSA PLAN ACTUALLY MAINTAINED A SLIGHT DECREASE IN THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS.

OUR PPO PLAN HAD A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. AND THEN WE HAD ABOUT A MODERATE INCREASE ON THE DEPENDENT TIERS FOR THE SUREST PLAN TO MATCH THAT PREMIUM INCREASE WE SAW FROM UHC. ON THE FULLY INSURED DENTAL. THAT'S WITH AETNA HERE. THEY RECEIVED. THAT RECEIVED A 3% INCREASE.

THIS WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO AVOID ANY DISRUPTION.

ADDITIONALLY FOR THESE CONTRIBUTIONS WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY ABSORB THAT INCREASE OF ABOUT $4,273 OVER THE YEAR.

ADDITIONALLY, THEY PROVIDED A 8% INCREASE AND THEY PROVIDED A FOUR YEAR RATE GUARANTEE.

SO THAT LINE OF COVERAGE WOULD NOT NEED TO GO OUT TO BID FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS IF IT WAS NOT DEEMED NECESSARY.

SHOWING THESE PROJECTIONS I MENTIONED EARLIER, 2027, WE'RE ALREADY SEEING ABOUT A 9.7% EXPECTED INCREASE ON MEDICAL AND ABOUT 12.9 ON PHARMACY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PLAN, ABOUT 60 SO LOOKING AT THAT COMBINED INCREASE HERE, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW A BIT OF THAT EXPECTED INCREASE OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

NEXT STEPS HERE. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THESE COSTS WILL BE DECREASING ANYTIME SOON.

THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL FTC SETTLEMENTS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL WITH LARGE PHARMACY BENEFIT MANAGERS THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME IMPACT ON SOME OF THESE PHARMACY COSTS IN THE FUTURE. BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, WE EXPECT THESE TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE.

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A FEW OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD INTERNALLY AND THAT YOUR STAFF HAS CONTINUED TO EXPLORE IS A, A SURCHARGE FOR SPOUSES WHO ARE ALREADY PROVIDED COVERAGE THROUGH ANOTHER EMPLOYER.

IF THEY CHOOSE TO DECLINE THAT COVERAGE AND INSTEAD GO ON TO SACHSE'S PLAN, THEY MIGHT GET CHARGED A $50 OR $75 ADDITIONAL CHARGE PER MONTH.

ADDITIONALLY, WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT PLAN DESIGN CHANGES ANNUALLY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE IN LINE WITH YOUR PEERS AND THE BENCHMARK BOOK OF BUSINESS.

I KNOW THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE AS WELL AS A FEW DIFFERENT LINES OF COVERAGE.

SO ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS. WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THIS.

SO I WAS WRONG. I THINK WHEN WE LAST SPOKE, I ANTICIPATED A 25% TO 30% INCREASE.

I WAS LOW. GOD THERE ANY CAPPED RATE IN OUR FUTURE, ANY CAPPED INCREASES IN OUR FUTURE WITH THIS? NOT FOR THE NEXT YEAR. SO THIS IS A ONE-YEAR AGREEMENT.

YEAH. SO NO THERE'S NOT. CORRECT.

YES SIR. ON YOUR ON THE SLIDE WITH ALL THE BENEFIT CHANGES ON THE MEDICAL SIDE, WE'RE GOING FROM A.

I CAN'T EVEN READ IT. IT'S SO SMALL.

HOLD ON. CAN WE GET THAT SLIDE? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

WHAT IS OUR CURRENT HRA AND HOW DOES THIS CHANGE OR AFFECT THE HRA? SO THE ONE THAT YOU REFERENCED IS THE HSA. THE HSA PLAN.

AND THAT DOES HAVE HSA CONTRIBUTIONS PER TIER.

IT WILL NOT CHANGE THOSE PER TIER CONTRIBUTIONS.

THE HRA IS SPECIFIC TO THE PPO AND THE SUREST PLAN.

LOWERED A LITTLE BIT ON THE SUREST. JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE OUT OF POCKET IS LOWERING AS WELL.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP.

THIS MUMBO JUMBO IT IT'S A VERY BUSY CHART. I APOLOGIZE BUT YEAH.

IT'S A LOT. YES, SIR. WE ALSO SPOKE LAST TIME ABOUT OUR LOSS RATIO.

I DIDN'T REMEMBER IT EVER BEING BELOW, YOU KNOW, 90, 95%.

AND WE HAD ONE YEAR. IT WAS BELOW 90. ONE TIME [LAUGHTER].

SO THAT GOT ME. BUT OUR 125% LOSS RATIO, IN MY OPINION, IS ALMOST NORMAL, IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

ADDING THE FEE FOR A SPOUSE THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR INSURANCE AT THEIR CURRENT COMPANY, BUT THEY CHOOSE NOT TO AND THEY CHOOSE TO GET ON THIS COMPANY'S INSURANCE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING, CORRECT? THAT'S A POTENTIAL OPTION TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE.

I'VE ALREADY WHEN I DID MY ALL EMPLOYEE MEETINGS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, I WAS CLEAR IN THOSE MEETINGS THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR PEOPLE TO CONSIDER THINKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF THEY HAVE A SPOUSE ON OUR PLAN, AND DEPENDING ON WHEN THEIR SPOUSE IS OPEN ENROLLMENT, IS THAT THEY SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT THAT NOW.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG CHANGE. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WASN'T RECOMMENDING IT FOR 2027, BUT I WAS RECOMMENDING IT FOR I'M RECOMMENDING IT FOR 2028 BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S JUST WHERE WE ARE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COSTS OF CLAIMS SPOUSES DO TEND TO BE SOME OF THE HIGHER CLAIMS. AND IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ON ANOTHER INSURANCE, THEN WE THINK THAT A SPOUSAL SURCHARGE IS FAIR.

YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE BURDENED WITH THE EXTRA COST IF YOU'RE ELIGIBLE AT YOUR EMPLOYER.

I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ELIGIBILITY OR DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT AT YOUR EMPLOYER TO BE ON THE CITY OF SACHSE PLAN.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ELIGIBILITY AT YOUR COMPANY. I MEAN, THAT USED TO BE ILLEGAL.

YOU COULDN'T DO THAT. SO THANKS OBAMACARE. I UNDERSTAND YOU PUTTING OUT THE INFORMATION NOW BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE AND GREATLY AFFECT SOME PEOPLE, I'M SURE.

YES. BUT YEAH, THEY NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THAT NOW.

WELL, AND WE KNOW THAT OPEN ENROLLMENT IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERY COMPANY.

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AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAD AMPLE TIME NOW IN CASE THEIR OPEN ENROLLMENT DID NOT ALIGN WITH OURS, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TIME TO HAVE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AND MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILY.

OKAY. MY LAST QUESTION IS, JUST TO REITERATE, 42% WAS A $1.1 MILLION INCREASE INITIALLY.

WHAT'S THE 24.5% ONCE AGAIN, TO THE CITY? ON THE CITY SIDE AND THAT IS ABOUT A $603,000 INCREASE. SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. $603,000 INCREASE.

THAT'S LOVELY DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER. MAYOR. EXCUSE ME, MR. LEGH-PAGE. THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK [LAUGHTER] ON THE CITY SIDE.

SO THAT WAS THE LAST ONE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.

MR. PRESTENBERG. YES. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF, LIKE, NOT REALLY APPRECIATED WHERE YOU GO, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR GETTING UP THERE TO TELL US THE HARD STUFF. DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU THOUGH.

IF IN 2028, THE EMPLOYEE SPOUSE SURCHARGES ON THERE DOES THAT LEVEL YOU OFF, OR DOES THAT REDUCE PREMIUMS OR WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO YOU GUYS FOR US IF WE DID THAT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION AND THAT SPECIFIC REGARD THE CITY OF SACHSE WOULD COLLECT THOSE ADDITIONAL FEES AND THEY WOULD GO TOWARDS THE PREMIUM COSTS.

OKAY. HOW THEY USUALLY ARE STRUCTURED IS THEY START ON MAYBE A $50 ADDITIONAL FEE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE OTHER COVERAGE.

AND IT COULD TIER UP YEAR OVER YEAR. BUT THOSE FEES WOULD GO BACK TO THE CITY OF SACHSE OR REALLY TO BE USED FOR THESE PREMIUM COSTS.

OKAY. AND THEN JUST FROM WORKING ON THE CORPORATE SIDE FOR A WHILE, THERE'S, WHEN YOU FILL OUT YOUR, YOUR ELECTIONS, THERE'S ALWAYS A LIKE, DO YOU SMOKE? IF YOU DO, YOU HAVE TO PAY A SURCHARGE. IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE HAVE IN OUR Q&A TO OUR WHEN WE SIGN UP? YES. COUNCILMAN. WE'VE HAD A TOBACCO SURCHARGE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

OKAY. YES. AND WE DO HAVE ONLY JUST A SMALL HANDFUL OF EMPLOYEES THAT STILL PAY THAT.

NOW WE'RE DOWN TO TWO. OKAY. WE USED TO HAVE MORE.

NOW WE'RE DOWN TO TWO. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION THAT YOU HAD ASKED COREY.

THE SPOUSAL SURCHARGE? SHOULD WE SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO DO THAT IN 2028? WE WOULD GET THE FEES FOR THAT TO HELP OFFSET YOU KNOW, OUR CONTRIBUTIONS.

BUT ALSO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THAT WOULD BE A REDUCED COST, HOPEFULLY POTENTIALLY OVERALL TO OUR HOPEFULLY OUR LOSS RATIO MIGHT GO DOWN POTENTIALLY JUST BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT, FRANKLY, WHO GETS SICK ON A PLAN, IT'S THE ADULTS, NOT THE KIDS. AND SO THAT HOPEFULLY THAT IT WOULD REDUCE OUR LOSS RATIO BY DOING THAT SPOUSAL SURCHARGE AND HAVE PEOPLE MAKE THAT DECISION BETWEEN USING OUR INSURANCE OR ONE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED TO THEM BY THEIR COMPANY.

AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR YOU, CITY MANAGER IS THERE, IT SOUNDS SO FORMAL CALLING YOU SORRY.

FROM AN HSA CONTRIBUTION, WHAT DOES THE CITY PROVIDE? LIKE, DO WE, DO WE MATCH ANYTHING OR I'LL ACTUALLY I'LL LET YOU ANSWER THAT.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBER. THE HSA CONTRIBUTION VARIES DEPENDING ON TIER.

FOR AN EMPLOYEE ONLY, IT STARTS AT. GOSH, IS THAT ON OUR SIDE? IT'S LIKE AROUND 947 ANNUALLY. AND IT GOES UP FOR EMPLOYEE SPOUSE, EMPLOYEE CHILD AND EMPLOYEE FAMILY FOR EMPLOYEE FAMILY.

I WANT TO SAY IT'S AROUND 2200 ANNUALLY, BUT I NEED TO FACT CHECK THAT.

AND THAT'S WHETHER THEY WHETHER EMPLOYEE GIVES A DIME OR NOT.

IT'S STILL YES, THE EMPLOYEES GET THE EMPLOYER'S CONTRIBUTION REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY CHOOSE TO CONTRIBUTE.

OKAY. FOR FUTURE YEARS, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THIS ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO INCENTIVIZE THE EMPLOYEE GIVING SOMETHING TO NOT BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO BE TAXED, BUT JUST IT HELPS REDUCE TAXABLE INCOME.

IT ALSO HELPS THEM SAVE ALL THOSE THINGS. I'M TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH THE HSA CONTRIBUTION.

JUST ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO DURING OPEN ENROLLMENT, WE TALK ABOUT THE TRIPLE TAX ADVANTAGE AND ALL THE REASONS WHY WHY IT'S SUCH A GREAT FINANCIAL TOOL, RIGHT? AWESOME. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I SAID IN THE PAST, LIKE, I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS WAYS TO TRY TO REDUCE COSTS FROM AN EMPLOYEE STANDPOINT, BUT DO WE HAVE.

DOES THIS HAVE LIKE A VIRTUAL ASPECT TO IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT EMPLOYEES CAN CALL IN TO HELP REDUCE SOME OF THE COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH GOING TO THE ER? ARE WE COACHING OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE TALK ABOUT LIKE, HEY, DON'T RUN IN THE ER, DON'T RUN THE CARE NOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, CALL THIS PLACE AND THEY'LL CALL AMAZON,

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YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, RX AND THEY'LL SEND YOU A PRESCRIPTION OR WHATNOT.

YES, WE DO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THAT AT LENGTH DURING OPEN ENROLLMENT MEETINGS.

AND THEN RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN SENDING OUT INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS.

AND IN FACT, WE'RE ADDING IT TO OUR EDUCATION PIECES THAT RUN ON THE INTERNAL TVS.

I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT THERE ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE EMERGENCY ROOMS ARE AND OTHER VARIOUS THINGS YOU CAN DO.

DO WE EVER. DO WE? THIS IS OUTSIDE OF OUR HEALTHCARE HERE, BUT DO WE PARTNER WITH THE LOCAL HOSPITAL TO COME IN AND DO CLINICS BY CHANCE, OR THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES TO HELP, YOU KNOW, ONE STOP SHOP FOR AILMENTS ON EVERY TUESDAY, ON THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH? WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LOCAL HOSPITAL.

YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY. WE DO SEE THAT IN OUR BOOK OF BUSINESS, AS FAR AS WE CALL THOSE DIRECT CONTRACTS, WHERE THEY MAY DO IT ON A FEE FOR SERVICE OR A FIXED COST.

AND THOSE ARE USUALLY FOR OUR CLIENTS WHO ARE ON A SELF-FUNDED ARRANGEMENT.

SO IN A FULLY INSURED ARRANGEMENT LIKE THIS IT CAN BE MORE CHALLENGING TO CREATE COMPETITIVE DIRECT CONTRACTS AS WELL AS YOU MIGHT NOT SEE THE DIRECT BENEFIT BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL PAYING THE PREMIUMS HERE AND YOU WILL PROVIDE INCENTIVES.

AND JANET AND THE STAFF DO A GREAT JOB OF COMMUNICATING THAT.

ONE THING I DID WANT TO NOTE TOO, IS PART OF THE PLAN DESIGN CHANGE HERE IS TO INCENTIVIZE BOTH THE HSA AND THE SUREST PLAN.

BOTH OF THOSE PLANS ARE INTENDED TO INCREASE CONSUMERISM, MEANING THAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY DO THEIR OWN SHOPPING PRE DEDUCTIBLE TO GET THE LOWER COST.

SO IF THERE IS MOVEMENT TO BOTH OF THOSE, WE'LL SEE HOPEFULLY SOME IMPROVEMENT.

AND THEN BEING MORE MINDFUL OF WHERE THEY GO.

OKAY. AND THE LAST THING I HAVE FOR YOU. YOU SAID ON ONE OF THE SLIDES THE EXPECTED PERCENT INCREASE FOR THE NEXT 3 OR 4 YEARS, THAT'S ASSUMING WE'RE OVER THE 100% MARK, RIGHT? IF WE'RE IN THAT 80 TO 100%, IT SHOULD BE FLAT TO THREE, 5%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOT 12.

IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO PREDICT, ESPECIALLY THREE YEARS OUT.

SO IN THAT SPECIFIC SITUATION, THAT WOULD BE ASSUMING PROBABLY ABOUT A 95 TO 100% LOSS RATIO WITH A 36 REALLY HERE AT 32.5% INCREASE, YOUR LOSS RATIO WILL GET REALLY A STEP UP, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE COMPARING YOUR CLAIMS VERSUS THE HIGHER PREMIUM HERE.

SO WE SHOULD SEE A CORRECTION IN THAT LOWER LOSS RATIO. MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY. I DID SOME QUICK MATH TO OF BASED ON THE INCREASES FROM ANNUAL BASIS FROM 2022 TO NOW, AND $100 PREMIUM IS NOW $195 IN FIVE YEARS. SO THAT'S QUITE A BIT.

SO OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS BUHLER. MY NUMBER ONE QUESTION WAS ALSO WHAT MR. PRESTENBERG, IF THE SPOUSAL FEE WILL HAVE A REAL MEASURABLE IMPACT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE KIND OF WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE IMPLEMENT THAT IN A YEAR AND KIND OF SEE IF THAT HELPS LEVEL OFF. IT'S HARD TO KNOW BECAUSE WE ARE NOT SELF-INSURED, SO WE DON'T GET TO LOOK INSIDE AT THE CLAIMS. SO BUT WE CAN MAKE SOME VERY EDUCATED GUESSES, IF YOU WILL, ABOUT TRADITIONALLY HOW MUCH CLAIMS COST FOR ADULTS VERSUS CHILDREN. AND SO YOU CAN REASONABLY MAKE SOME, LEAPS RELATIVE TO THE LESS ADULTS YOU HAVE ON A PLAN THAT YOU KNOW, THE BETTER YOUR LOSS RATIO WILL BE. SO WE CAN'T WE CAN'T GET A PERFECT NUMBER, BUT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HOPE THAT IT WILL HELP US IN A REDUCTION.

AND WE'RE CERTAINLY SEEING THAT THEY'RE SEEING IT IN OTHER BOOKS OF BUSINESS THAT THEY HAVE.

THEY CAN'T GIVE ME SPECIFICS, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE ALL THAT INFORMATION IS PRIVATE, BUT IT IS A RECOMMENDATION OF THEIRS THAT THEY THEY HAVE SEEN THAT TREND WITH SOME OF THEIR OTHER CLIENTS, THAT THEIR LOSS RATIOS CAN GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDER CONTROL WHEN THEY MOVE SPOUSES OFF THE PLAN.

I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT IF THAT SPOUSE HAS NO INSURANCE, WE WE WANT THEM TO HAVE INSURANCE.

IT'S IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER OPTION. AWESOME. THANK YOU, MR. HOOD FOR THE PRESENTATION. I KNOW IT MUST BE FUN TO BE THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS FOR ALL YOUR CLIENTS, BUT ON YOUR VENDOR LIST IT LOOKS LIKE WE GOT A QUOTE BACK FROM UNITED HEALTHCARE AND CURATIVE.

I'M ASSUMING THAT WENT TO EVERYBODY AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SUBMITTED A QUOTE BACK TO US BASED ON THE VERY LARGE LOSS RATIO.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT WAS A PUBLIC PROCESS.

WE ALSO NOTIFIED ALL OF OUR VENDOR PARTNERS THAT THAT RFP WAS OUT.

CURATIVE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT PROVIDED ADDITIONAL COMPETITIVE OFFER. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MISS HOWARTH. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, SO I WON'T SAY ANYTHING.

REMEMBER WHAT YOUR MOM TAUGHT YOU? YEAH. THIS IS HORRIBLE, BUT I GUESS FROM A PHARMACY AS A PHARMACIST I'M LOOKING AT THIS.

HAVE WE LOOKED AT IF THE PHARMACY EXPENSES ARE INCREASING AT A HIGHER RATE THAN THE MEDICAL EXPENSES OR AN EVEN HIGHER RATE, I'M ASSUMING WE'VE LOOKED AT REDESIGNING THE PHARMACY BENEFIT TO CONTROL COSTS.

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AND WHY IS THE DEDUCTIBLE NOT BEING APPLIED BEFORE PHARMACY COVERAGE? BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE A EASY WAY TO GET SOME OF THE COSTS DOWN.

SURE. SO TO ANSWER YOUR INITIAL QUESTION, YES, BOTH IN YOUR BOOK OF BUSINESS AND ON A NATIONAL BASIS, MEDICAL PHARMACY COSTS ARE INCREASING MORE DRASTICALLY THAN MEDICAL.

WE SEE THIS YEAR ABOUT 11% INCREASE. LAST YEAR WAS ABOUT 11.9.

THEY'RE EXPECTING ABOUT 12.9 FOR NEXT YEAR. AND A FULLY INSURED ARRANGEMENT HERE WITH UHC.

UHC IS THE ONE THAT MANAGES THE FORMULARY FOR THE PHARMACY.

SO WE'RE LIMITED IN THE CHANGES THAT WE CAN MAKE IN THAT REGARD. AND AS FAR AS A PHARMACY DEDUCTIBLE.

I SEE THERE'S ONE ON THE HSA PLAN, BUT NOT ON THE OTHER TWO PLANS.

THE HSA ONE INHERENTLY HAS ONE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PROVIDE PRE DEDUCTIBLE BENEFIT THERE.

OKAY. AND THAT IS WHY WE CONTINUE TO PROMOTE ENROLLMENT IN THE HSA PLAN BOTH THROUGH COMMUNICATION AND EDUCATION AS WELL AS CONTRIBUTIONS. AS MENTIONED. THAT'S THE ONLY PLAN THAT'S GOING TO RECEIVE NO INCREASE ON THE EMPLOYEE SIDE.

I MEAN, I IN A PREVIOUS LIFETIME WORKED AS A PBM BENEFITS DESIGN AND I COULD GET THAT COST DOWN, BUT IT WOULD.

IF UHC IS MANAGING THAT, I GUESS THAT MAKES. I KIND OF JUST.

I'M ASSUMING WE JUST TAKE IT AS IT COMES. UNFORTUNATELY.

THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. MR. MILLSAP. MY COMMENTS ARE RELATED TO THIS, BUT OUR LITTLE DIFFERENCE, WHAT WE'RE FACING TODAY, WE CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH ABOUT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE PART OF OUR DILEMMA IS WE HAVE A HIGHER LOSS RATIO THAN OTHER CITIES. OUR WORKER'S COMP IS GREATER THAN, WHICH INDICATES TO ME THAT WE PROBABLY REALLY NEED TO GO BACK AND REEVALUATE OUR SAFETY PROGRAMS AND OUR TRAINING PROGRAMS. MOST OF THIS WORKER'S COMP PROBLEMS ARE, I THINK ARE PROBABLY FROM OUR WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.

THE PEOPLE ARE OUT IN THE FIELDS, PARKS, WATER, SEWER, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

MAYBE WE NEED TO START DOING SOME MORE IN HOUSE AND SET A GOAL THAT WE CAN GET OUR LOSS RATIO DOWN TO WHERE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK, INSTEAD OF AMONG THE TOP OF THE PACK. THAT THAT WOULD HELP EVENTUALLY, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP US TODAY.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT WE NEED TO SPEND MORE EFFORT ON.

THE ONE COMMENT I DO WANT TO MAKE IS THE WORKER'S COMP CLAIMS ARE NOT GOING TO BE INCLUSIVE OF THIS.

SO THAT'S GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INSURANCE.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE THE SAME COMMENT THAT OUR WORKER'S COMPENSATION CLAIMS ARE GOING TO BE RUN THROUGH AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT INSURANCE PROGRAM.

BUT YES, I DO AGREE THAT SAFETY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WE DO TRY AND FOCUS ON THAT.

MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS. YEAH, I'LL JUST REITERATE, WORKER'S COMP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MEDICAL BENEFITS.

THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE HOSPITAL, THE DIRECTS.

I'D BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A PLAN.

AGREEMENT THAT COULD BE ILLEGAL IF THEY WAVE OR REDUCE CO-PAYS.

SO I'D BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT THAT. MISS NASH OR JANET WHAT WAS OUR BUDGETED INCREASE ON THIS ITEM? CAN YOU FLIP TO THAT SLIDE AND YOU CAN TALK HIM THROUGH IT.

I'LL LET YOU ANSWER IT. THANK YOU. AUGMENT IF I NEED TO.

WE BUDGETED 20% THIS YEAR FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.

RIGHT. AND WHAT'S THE ACTUAL 24, 25.4? OKAY. SO MEDICAL FUND BALANCE.

WHAT'S IN THERE? IS IT GOING TO COVER IT? WHAT'S LEFT? I FIGURED SOMEONE ELSE WOULD ASK THIS AFTER ALL MY QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL ASK IT SINCE NOBODY ELSE DID. WE SAVED THE BEST ONES FOR YOU. THANKS. THANKS. I'M GOING TO DEFER ON THAT ONE HERE. NO, BUT WE DO HAVE.

LAUREN, DO YOU HAVE THE NUMBER OF WHAT OUR FUND BALANCE IS FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND? SHE CAN PULL THAT NUMBER UP. I WANT TO BE VERY SPECIFIC OF ALL THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU.

I DIDN'T HAVE THIS ONE READY TO GO. YOU KNEW I WAS GOING TO ASK IT.

GINA, YOU USUALLY ANTICIPATE MOST OF MY QUESTIONS.

WELL, WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT. ALMOST ALL OF THEM. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? COME ON DOWN, MS. REED. IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND EXCUSE ME.

CITY OF RESIDENCE. [INAUDIBLE] 204 CORNWALL LANE.

I HAD THAT EXACT SAME QUESTION. WHAT DID THE CITY USE IN THE BUDGET?

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I ALSO HAVE I PERSONALLY HAVE BROUGHT UP THE SUBJECT OF THE SPOUSAL SURCHARGE FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS AND, AND I GUESS LAST YEAR I, IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR.

WELL NOW THIS YEAR IT'S HAPPENING NEXT YEAR. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

AND ALSO MAYBE I, MY EYES, I WAS NOT ABLE TO SEE, BUT WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE? LET'S JUST SAY THE EMPLOYEE. I KNOW THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PLANS, BUT WHAT IS THE COST FOR THE EMPLOYEE? THE PERCENTAGE THE EMPLOYEE PAYS, LET'S JUST SAY VERSUS WHAT THE CITY.

SO THE EMPLOYEE, ARE THEY PAYING 50, THE CITY PAYING 50? OR WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE OF THAT? BECAUSE THAT I HONESTLY DID NOT SEE THAT UP THERE.

AND THAT IS KIND OF A HUGE BENEFIT TO A LOT OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES. I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY REALIZE HOW MUCH THE CITY ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF BENEFIT THIS IS.

I KNOW BACK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INCREASES FOR THE PAY INCREASE, I USE THE WORD VERY GENEROUS OF A 3%. AND I WAS SOME OTHER WORDS THAT WERE USED THAT THEY RUN HOME AND SAY, HEY, I GOT A 3%.

WELL, DO THESE EMPLOYEES GO, HEY, I COME HOME NOW WITH INSURANCE AND WHO PAYS FOR THAT? AND THEN ALSO THE SEVEN MUNICIPALITIES, WHO ARE THEY? AND JUST A SECOND. I'M LOOKING ALL OVER. I'VE GOT NOTES ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND WHY IS COVID STILL BEING USED AS A PART OF A I MEAN, FOR THE PRESENTATION POST COVID, WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO POST COVID HAVE TO DO WITH OUR PRESENTATIONS NOW? COVID HAPPENED BACK IN 2021 WE ARE, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'RE STILL THROWING OUT COVID.

AND AND LET ME SEE JUST ONE MORE THING. I'M GOING TO USE MY EIGHT SECONDS.

WELL, THAT'S IT. I CAN THANK YOU. MISS NASH. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE IS WE DO LET EMPLOYEES KNOW EXACTLY WHAT OUR CONTRIBUTION IS TO THEM WHEN THEY RECEIVED THEIR PAY LETTERS THIS FALL, AS WE HAVE THE LAST TWO YEARS. THEY NOT ONLY UNDERSTAND ON THAT LETTER EVERY EMPLOYEE WHAT THEIR COMPENSATION IS, BUT WE FULLY PUT HOW MUCH WE PAY FOR INSURANCE AS WELL.

AND WE HAVE A LINE AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS YOUR TOTAL COMPENSATION.

SO EVERY EMPLOYEE RECEIVES A LETTER EVERY YEAR THAT THAT LETS THEM KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH THE CITY IS PAYING.

BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS A GREAT BENEFIT. AND SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND TRULY WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE AND THAT THAT'S NOT FREE.

AND THAT ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE EMPLOYEE MEETINGS THIS YEAR, IS THE BETTER CONSUMERS OF YOUR HEALTH CARE.

WE CAN BE THE BEST THAT THE, YOU KNOW, SPENDING YOUR MONEY AS WISELY AS POSSIBLE.

THAT'S MONEY POTENTIALLY THAT CAN GO BACK IN YOUR POCKET.

SO TRYING TO HELP EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE DEDUCTIBLE THAT YOU PAY, BUT WHAT THE COST IS ON THE BACK END.

AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ER VISITS AND A URGENT HEALTHCARE VISIT, AN URGENT CARE. AND WHILE THE PAYMENT THAT YOU MAKE DOESN'T SEEM THAT BIG, WHAT THAT PAYMENT IS ON THE BACK END AND HOW, HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE THAT IS. I MEAN, AN URGENT CARE VISIT COULD COST THE CITY OF SACHSE $800 AND AN ER VISIT COULD COST US $15,000.

AND SO DOING THAT EDUCATION OF EMPLOYEES, OF EXPLAINING WHAT IS TRULY AN URGENT CARE, IS IT CALLED AN URGENT CARE DURING THE DAY? AND DOES IT FLIP TO AN ER AT NIGHT AND DOING A LOT OF THAT EDUCATION PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING DURING OPEN ENROLLMENT THIS YEAR? IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SEVEN MUNICIPALITIES HUB WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE WITH US.

THESE ARE THEIR CLIENTS. THEY CANNOT DIVULGE THAT INFORMATION.

THAT'S, THAT IS PRIVATE INFORMATION RELATIVE TO THEIR BOOK OF BUSINESS, OF WHAT CITY THAT IS AND WHAT THEIR LOSS RATIOS ARE AND WHAT THEIR INCREASES WERE BECAUSE THOSE THOSE CITIES ALL HAVE TO DO.

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AND I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THAT, COREY, IF YOU NEED TO, BUT THAT THAT INFORMATION CAN'T BE DISCLOSED.

THERE ARE ITEMS THAT WE CAN'T DISCLOSE. THE REASON THOSE WERE ANONYMIZED WAS BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THOSE RENEWALS HAVE BEEN PASSED THROUGH THEIR OWN RESPECTIVE CITY COUNCILS. SO WE WANTED TO SHARE THE CLAIMS EXPERIENCE WITH THE RENEWAL GIVEN TO EACH OF THOSE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO GET A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE AROUND US. AND THEN THE POINT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT COVID? BECAUSE IT MATTERS. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT THE FRAME OF REFERENCE THAT COREY WAS GIVING IS THAT HEALTH INSURANCE PROVIDERS PURPOSEFULLY HELD BACK DURING THOSE COVID YEARS, IN THE YEARS, THE FEW YEARS SUBSEQUENTLY THEY ATE A LOT OF THOSE EXPENSIVE AND EXTENSIVE COSTS.

AND SO NOW THEY'RE STARTING TO PASS THAT ALONG TO US.

SO I WISH THAT COVID WAS OVER, BUT WE'RE STILL FEELING THE EFFECTS OF THAT VERY IN A VERY REAL WAY RELATIVE TO HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS. AND THAT'S NOT JUST US. THAT'S EVERYONE IS EXPERIENCING THAT.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED OF WHAT IS THE EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION VERSUS EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION? THAT'S A SLIDE THAT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION. IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND PULL THAT BACK UP JUST TO YEAH. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT ON THOSE YELLOW COLUMNS OVER THERE ON THE SIDE, IT'S CONTRIBUTIONS AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF CHANGES TO EMPLOYEES.

SO IN THE HSA PLAN, THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS WOULD ACTUALLY GO DOWN ON THE PPO PLAN THEY WILL GO UP CONSIDERABLY.

AND ON THE SUREST PLAN THEY WILL GO UP, BUT AT A MUCH MORE MODEST RATE.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE IS CONSUMER DRIVEN HEALTH CARE.

AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE ON A PLAN LIKE THE HSA OR THE SUREST PLAN, AS COREY POINTED OUT, THOSE ARE REALLY CONSUMER DRIVEN. YOU HAVE TO GO AND SHOP YOUR PRICES.

AND SO IT AFFECTS YOU MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE BEST PRICE ON YOUR MRI OR YOUR DOCTOR'S VISIT OR WHATEVER THAT IS.

AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO DRIVE PEOPLE OUT OF THE PPO PLAN AND INTO EITHER THE HSA OR THE SUREST, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WAY.

BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE PPO, THEY STILL HAVE THAT OPTION IF THEY WANT TO CHOOSE. ABSOLUTELY, YES. THANK YOU, MISS NASH. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? OKAY. WITH THAT, WE WILL GO BACK TO MAYOR. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS QUESTION.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE DID ANTICIPATE THAT QUESTION.

I JUST CLOSED OUT OF THAT TAB. SO THAT WAS MY BAD.

THE ENDING FUND BALANCE IN THE FY 26-27 BUDGET IS $615,529.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR OUR CONSULTANT.

ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONERS STAND BY. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE AN ITEM TO CONSIDER TONIGHT TO APPROVE THE PRESENTATIONS AND PROPOSALS PRESENTED BY STAFF. I WILL TELL YOU THAT BEING IN THIS BUSINESS EVERY SINGLE DAY.

NUMBER ONE, NOT THE FUNNEST THING TO DEAL WITH. AS THEY TALKED ABOUT ALREADY LOSS RATIO IS OUR NUMBER ONE, IN MY OPINION, IS OUR NUMBER ONE DRIVER OF COST.

AND TO MR. PRESTENBERG QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT, HEY, IF WE GET A LOSS RATIO, THAT'S IN THE DOUBLE DIGITS INTO THE TRIPLE DIGITS.

I'M NOT VERY HOPEFUL THAT EVEN IF WE GOT IT DOWN TO 85, THAT WE WOULD NOT STILL SEE AN INCREASE OF SOME KIND.

MAYBE NOT AS MUCH, BUT INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE VERY, VERY PRECIOUS, HELD ON PRECIOUSLY TO THEIR LOSS RATIOS, AND THEY DON'T LIKE THEM TO BE ABOVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

AND SO EVEN IF IT'S IN THE HIGH DOUBLE DIGITS, I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT THAT MEANS THAT WE WILL HAVE A FLAT RATE OR A LOWER RATE, BECAUSE MOST LIKELY THAT WILL NOT BE THE CASE.

SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR GOING FORWARD. MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS YEAH, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT INSURANCE, COMMERCIAL INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS.

IF YOUR LOSS RATIO IS OVER 100%, THEY'RE LOSING MONEY.

THEY DON'T LIKE TO LOSE MONEY. OTHER THAN MEDICARE, MEDICAID, EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL INSURANCE PLAN IS FOR PROFIT.

OTHER COMMENTS OR MOTIONS? MISS HOWARTH, I WILL BEGRUDGINGLY MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM F2 AS PRESENTED. I HAVE A MOTION BY MISS HOWARTH TO APPROVE ITEM F TWO AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A SECOND, MR. PRESTENBERG. I WILL BEGRUDGINGLY SECOND.

WILL THE CITY SECRETARY, MS. GRANGER, PLEASE NOTE THAT IN THE MINUTES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UNFORTUNATELY, IT WON'T CHANGE THE PREMIUMS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE GOT.

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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION BY MISS HOWARTH, SECOND BY MR. PRESTENBERG TO APPROVE ITEM F2. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR BALLOT.

YOU WANT TO VERBALLY DO IT? ALL RIGHT, MS. GRANGER. WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE.

AND LET US KNOW HOW WE VOTED. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

I WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO THANK STAFF FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

STAY. STAY. EXCUSE ME. THANK MR. HOOD FOR HIS HARD WORK.

THIS IS NOT EASY. IT'S NOT EASY BEING THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN HOW WE GOT HERE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU JANET. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM G DISCUSSION ITEMS.

[1. Discuss potential Bond 2027 projects.]

I WANT TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL BOND 2027 PROJECTS.

MISS NASH. HOLD ON. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AS YOU'VE ALREADY MADE YOUR APPOINTMENTS TO THE UPCOMING BOND COMMITTEE, I'VE ASKED LOGAN THATCHER TO DO WHAT HE.

HE IS GOING TO BE LEADING THAT EFFORT. WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE AND GOING THROUGH THE PROJECTS AND HAVING THOSE MEETINGS OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

SO I ASKED HIM TO DO A PRESENTATION TONIGHT FOR YOU ALL TO SEE THE LIST OF PROJECTS AND GIVE DIRECTION RELATIVE TO THE CHARGE FOR THE BOND COMMITTEE AND THE ASSOCIATED PROJECTS. HELLO, MR. THATCHER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

AS MISS NASH JUST MENTIONED, I WILL BE GIVING YOU GUYS AN OVERVIEW OF THE BOND 2027 PROGRAM THAT WILL BE STARTING THIS FALL WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS THAT YOU MADE EARLIER IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING. SO IF WE'LL GO TO.

IT'S GIVING ME THE WHEEL OF DOOM. THERE IT GOES.

YEAH. OKAY. THERE WE GO. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.

AS MISS NASH ALSO MENTIONED, WE'LL GO OVER THE COMMITTEE'S CHARGE. WE'LL GO OVER A BOND TIMELINE OF THIS FALL.

WE'LL GO OVER CANDIDATE PROJECTS AND NEXT STEPS.

SO THE COMMITTEE'S JOB THIS FALL IS TO RECOMMEND A BOND PACKAGE TO COUNCIL FOR MAY OF 2027 ELECTION.

THAT THERE WILL BE TASKED WITH LEARNING ABOUT THE CITY'S CAPITAL NEEDS AND THE CANDIDATE PROJECTS.

THEY WILL BE RECOMMENDING PROJECTS TO INCLUDE WITHIN THE CITY'S FINANCIAL CAPACITY AND ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL HOW PROJECTS ARE GROUPED INTO BALLOT PROPOSITIONS. HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL WILL STILL REMAIN THE ULTIMATE DECIDER ON WHAT WILL BE PLACED ON THOSE PROPOSITIONS, IF DESIRED IN JANUARY. AND THEN, AS IF THAT GOES FORWARD, WE WILL BE CALLING THE ELECTION BY THE FEBRUARY DEADLINE.

HERE IS A TIMELINE THAT SHOWS ALL OF THOSE THAT OF WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT.

WE WILL HAVE THREE MEETINGS THIS FALL WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE.

AND AGAIN, IF COUNCIL SO DESIRES, CALL AN ELECTION BEFORE THAT FEBRUARY 12TH DEADLINE FOR AN ELECTION IN MAY OF 2027.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL JUST GET RIGHT TO THE CANDIDATE PROJECTS.

THESE WERE ALL PROJECTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BASED OFF OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

AND ALSO SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NEEDING THAT WERE IN THE PIPELINE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES AND PARKS.

SO WE HAVE FIVE CORRIDOR RECONSTRUCTION PARKS, MAJOR ROADS.

AND YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREET PROGRAM THAT WE DID IN THE 2021 PROGRAM.

WE HAVE ABOUT 20 STREET AND ALLEY RECONSTRUCTIONS.

THEN AGAIN, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, REMODEL OF FIRE STATION ONE, FIRE STATION TWO, AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.

THEN AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, HERITAGE PARK IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PARKS DIVISION.

SO WE'LL GET INTO THE MAJOR ROADS. WE HAVE THOSE FIVE ROADS AS BEING BLACKBURN-INGRAM, PLEASANT VALLEY, SACHSE ROAD PHASE FOUR, WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY AND COUNTRY CLUB ROAD EXTENSION.

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AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DO HAVE ESTIMATED COSTS THAT ARE BUILT INTO EACH ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS.

AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS HERE.

IF WHEN WE GET TO QUESTIONS, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT HERE THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE BASED OFF OF SCHEDULING OF WHEN WE WOULD, THOSE TRANCHES WOULD COME FORTH BASED OFF OF OUR FINANCIAL CAPACITY AND WHEN WE WOULD BE GETTING THOSE NUMBERS BASED OFF OF JASON HUGHES, WHO IS OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR. WE WOULD TALK ABOUT TIMING OF THOSE, THOSE ROADS IF VOTED ON THE PROPOSITION, AS WELL AS WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. HERE ARE THE LIST OF THE 20 ROADS AND ALLEYS.

I WOULD NAME THEM ALL, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S QUITE AN EXTENSIVE LIST.

WE DID HAVE IT IN THE PACKET, SO WE'RE GOOD. PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS.

SO FIRE STATION ONE, FIRE STATION TWO AND POLICE PUBLIC SAFETY.

THERE ARE SOME NEEDS IN FIRE STATION ONE. AS YOU CAN SEE BAY HEATING TO PREVENT FROZEN SPRINKLER LINES, VENTILATED BUNKER GEAR STORAGE, INDIVIDUAL BUNK ROOMS, ADA RESTROOMS, KITCHEN, GYM.

JUST SOME ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED NEEDED AT FIRE STATION ONE FOR FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.

FIRE STATION TWO FLOODING AND WATER INTRUSION FICTIONS.

DECONTAMINATION AREA. CONTAMINANT BARRIERS. LAYOUT CHANGES.

AC TRAINING ROOM. AND THEN AGAIN AT PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING PD SPECIFICALLY FULL HVAC REDESIGNED VENTILATION IN THEIR EVIDENCE ROOM.

REPURPOSED FORMER JAIL SPACE FOR LOCKER ROOMS. SALLY PORT STORAGE AND GYM IMPROVEMENTS. SOMETHING TO NOTE ON ALL THREE OF THESE.

WE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ASSESSMENT FOR THE FACILITIES, THESE THESE THREE IN PARTICULAR WE ARE RUNNING ON ABOUT ON, I BELIEVE FIRE STATION ONE AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING GOING ON 15, TO 16 YEARS.

AND FIRE STATION TWO NEEDING ENHANCEMENTS FOR THE FIRE PERSONNEL THAT LIVE, LIVE IN THOSE DORMS 24 OVER SEVEN AS LONG AS, AS WELL AS FIRE STATION ONE NEEDING REMODELS FOR ALL THREE OF THOSE FACILITIES.

THERE ARE RANGES THERE FOR THOSE REMODELS. AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHAT I MENTIONED ON THE ROAD PROJECTS THAT'S BASED OFF OF TIMING ON THOSE PROJECTS, IF APPROVED. AND LOOKING AT HARD COSTS AND SOFT COSTS FOR EACH OF THOSE.

IT'S ALL BASED ON A TIMING STANDPOINT AND WHAT WILL BE APPROVED BASED OFF OF THE DESIGN OF THAT PROJECT AT THE TIME.

SO LOOKING AT THE SECOND OF THE NUMBER, IT WOULD BE THE LATER OF THE NUMBER, MEANING THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE THE COST IF WE WERE TO DO THAT PROJECT LATER ON IN LATER ON. AS THE YEARS GO ON AFTER APPROVED OF THE BUDGET, OR IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT RELATIVELY QUICKLY, DEPENDING ON THOSE TRANCHES, WE'D BE ABLE TO DO IT AT A MORE REASONABLE COST.

BUT I WANTED TO MENTION THAT AGAIN, IT'S BASED OFF OF AN EQUATION FROM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THOSE BUILDINGS ON THOSE REMODELS.

HERITAGE PARK REPLACING EXISTING AMENITIES FOR OPTION ONE OR REPLACE AND EXPAND FOR OPTION TWO.

WE LOOKED AT TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR HERITAGE PARK EXPANSIONS.

THE FIRST ONE BEING NEW PLAYGROUND AND WITH SURFACING AND SHADE, NEW RESTROOM AND CONCESSION BUILDING PAVILIONS, DUGOUT CANOPIES AND FENCING, SHADED BLEACHERS, SITE FURNISHINGS, LANDSCAPING AND UTILITIES.

OR OPTION TWO, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE OF WHAT I JUST MENTIONED, BUT ALSO NEW FULL SIZE LIGHTED SOFTBALL FIELD PAVING AND PARKING IMPROVEMENTS, EXPANDED DRAINAGE, UTILITIES, LANDSCAPING, AND A FOOD TRUCK AREA.

SO NEXT STEPS IS TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON CANDIDATE PROJECTS AND ON THE COMMITTEE'S CHARGE.

AGAIN, THIS IS ALL PRELIMINARY CANDIDATE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD PRESENT TO THE BOND COMMITTEE STARTING THIS FALL, ACTUALLY THIS THURSDAY. BUT AGAIN, THE BOND COMMITTEE CAN RECOMMEND ANYTHING TO THE COUNCIL AND THEN ANYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL MAY WISH TO FINALLY APPROVE AND PUT ON THE BALLOTS IS ULTIMATELY DESIRED UPON THE COUNCIL.

AND FOR THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. THATCHER. MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS. ALL RIGHT. LOGAN.

HOW'S IT GOING? GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ON THE MAJOR ROADS, NOT EVEN THE MAJOR ROADS.

WE'VE. YES, ON THE MAJOR ROADS. COUNTRY CLUB, ROAD EXTENSION VERSUS COUNTRY CLUB.

WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING ON COUNTRY CLUB AT THE MOMENT.

NO. I ASSUME WOODBRIDGE AND COUNTRY CLUB ARE THE SAME AGE? YES. MORE OR LESS. YES. OKAY. I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY MORE TRAFFIC ON WOODBRIDGE, BUT COUNTRY CLUB JUST IN AS MUCH DISARRAY AS WOODBRIDGE,

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IN MY OPINION. OKAY. BUT THAT'S JUST THE EXTENSION ON THERE.

ALL RIGHT. AND ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. ARE YOU A [INAUDIBLE] IS THAT WHO I HEAR? YEAH. OKAY. I HEARD IT SOMEWHERE. ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

IS THAT 100% FROM PACER RATING, OR IS THAT FROM OTHER INPUT? 100%? YES. THE PACER RATINGS. EXCELLENT. I ASSUMED I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION.

PUBLIC SAFETY ON FIRE STATION TWO. WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FLOODING FOR BASICALLY SINCE IT WAS BUILT.

YES. WE'VE DONE SOME ATTEMPTED, LET'S SAY, ATTEMPTED TO FIX THAT PROBLEM.

SO I'M GLAD IT'S BEING ADDRESSED. WE'VE DISCUSSED ANYWHERE FROM A FULL TEAR DOWN TO A REBUILD TO OTHER.

OPTIONS. THANK YOU. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ON FIRE STATION TWO, ABOUT THE LAYOUT CHANGES. IS IT LAYOUT, CHANGING THE KITCHEN, AC AND TRAINING ROOM? BECAUSE THERE IS A TRAINING ROOM THERE, NOT ADDING AN ADDITIONAL. THERE IS A TRAINING ROOM. LAYOUT CHANGES, SO SOME OF THEIR DORM DORMITORIES ARE IN A POSITION THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT VERY EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO GET OUT TO THE BAY AREAS.

SO IT WOULD BE MOVING SOME OF THOSE DORMITORIES AND SWITCHING OUT WITH SOME OF WHERE THEIR TRAINING AREAS.

YES, IT JUST RECONFIGURE THE LAYOUT SO THAT IT'S EASIER, MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE BAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE CHIEF CAN ANSWER THIS, BUT WHEN THOSE WERE BUILT, I'M JUST ASSUMING WE HAD ALL MALE FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME.

YES. ARE THERE IS THERE ANY RETROFITTING FOR FEMALE LOCKER ROOMS OR ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAT'S NEEDED FOR SPEAKING TO, SPECIFICALLY TO POLICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY? YES.

THAT IS A MAJOR CONFIGURATION FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AT BOTH.

YES. OR AT FIRE STATION ONE AND TWO AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING OR JUST PUBLIC SAFETY.

I KNOW YOU WANT TO SAY INDIVIDUAL BUNK ROOMS, BUT IT DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS THAT.

I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF WE DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS IT.

IF IT WAS ALREADY ADDRESSED OR IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED, THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW. I'VE GOT IT, CHIEF. I'M GOOD. SO IN TERMS OF POLICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED MORE AND BETTER SPACE.

WE NEED FUNCTIONAL EQUITY BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN.

AND SO THAT'S ONE GOING TO BE ONE OF THE MAJOR CHANGES IN POLICE PUBLIC SAFETY RELATIVE TO THE LOCKER ROOM CHANGES.

AND RELATIVE TO THE FIRE STATIONS. THERE WILL BE SOME CHANGES RELATIVE TO THAT AS WELL.

BUT IT'S IT'S REALLY MORE MORE OF AN ISSUE ON THE POLICE LAYOUT.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. OKAY. THE LAST THING IS THE JAIL CELLS.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THEM, WHAT THE RETROFITTING MAY LOOK LIKE. SO I'M JUST GLAD TO SEE THIS ON THERE SO WE CAN AT LEAST BE EVALUATED FOR BEING ADDRESSED. AND I THINK, OH, ON HERITAGE PARK.

BOTH OPTION 1 OR 2 ARE FOR THE OLD HERITAGE PARK.

DOESN'T SAY THAT ON HERE ANYWHERE. SO IT'S THE OLD HERITAGE PARK. NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NEW SIDE. CORRECT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. YES. I KNEW THE ANSWER. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT OUT LOUD. THANKS. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD.

CLARIFICATION ON THAT, MR. LEGH-PAGE. JUST WHILE WE'RE ON THAT HERITAGE PARK SOME KIND OF TURFING DOES THAT INCLUDE? IS IT TURFING THE FIELDS OR IS IT THIS OPTION? OPTION TWO IS FOR THAT NEW FIELD WOULD BE TURF OPTION, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE TURFING THE OTHER REMAINING FIELDS.

OKAY. AND THEN UPDATING THE CONCESSIONS BUILDING AND THEN ADDING A FOOD TRUCK AREA.

I, YEAH, I THAT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A REALLY NICE CONCESSION STAND THAT WE HAD AND THEN BRINGING IN FOOD TRUCKS. RIGHT. I CAN ADDRESS. OKAY. I CAN ADDRESS THAT.

SO THE FOOD TRUCK AREA THAT'S REALLY FOR OUR SPECIAL EVENTS.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT THAT'S ALL CONFIGURED FOR RED, WHITE AND BLUE BLAST FOR FOLLOWING ALL OF THAT, IT'S REALLY NOT IDEALLY NOT FOR THE LAID OUT.

RIGHT. AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER FOOD TRUCK AREA FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.

CONCESSIONS BUILDING IS DIFFERENT. THAT'S FOR SPORTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, JUST NOT THE ONE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THEM TURFED OUT. THAT WAY WE COULD GET SOME TOURNAMENTS AND GET PEOPLE IN HERE AND GET SOME HOTELS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO TO UTILIZE THAT.

ABSOLUTELY. IF THE MONEY IS BEING PUT ON THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BRING BACK MORE MONEY, NOT NOT JUST SPENDING. ABSOLUTELY. YOU GOOD? YEAH.

MISS HOWARTH HOLD ON. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. SO IF MY LITTLE BACK OF MY ENVELOPE MATH HERE IS.

THAT'S ABOUT $125 MILLION WORTH OF THINGS. CORRECT.

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IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT'S ABOUT DOUBLE WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE CAPACITY TO PAY.

CORRECT. SO ARE WE GIVING DIRECTION TO THE BOND COMMITTEE AS TO NUMBER THAT THEY.

BASICALLY, WE ONLY HAVE MONEY FOR HALF OF THIS.

OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO LET THEM PICK AND CHOOSE AND COME BACK TO US WITH A NUMBER? I CAN ADDRESS THAT. SO WHEN, AS YOU RECALL, WHEN WE HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE COUNCIL MULTIPLE TIMES, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE DONE PRESENTATIONS, WE'VE ONLY BEEN OPERATING ON THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD BE WORKING WITHIN EXISTING DEBT CAPACITY AND NOT RAISING THE TAX RATE.

SO WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, THE CHARGE, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT SPECIFIC CHARGE, IS TO TO TELL THE BOND COMMITTEE THE LEVEL IN WHICH YOU WANT THEM TO BRING PROJECTS BACK TO YOU TO NOT EXCEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AS PART OF YOUR CHARGE.

TO THEM, IT WAS AROUND $54 MILLION. IT'S 50 MILLION.

50 MILLION. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AND THAT WOULD KEEP THE TAX RATE LEVEL IN TERMS OF THE I&S PORTION OF YOUR TAX RATE.

SO 50 MILLION IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR DEBT CAPACITY IN THE RATE AS IT STANDS NOW.

ANYTHING OVER 50 MILLION WOULD REQUIRE A TAX RATE INCREASE.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THAT IS A LONG WAY FROM 124 BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS ON HERE THAT ARE NOT LIKE NECESSARY.

IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH, TOUGH LIST TO PARE DOWN.

I THINK OUR COMMITTEE DEFINITELY HAS A CHALLENGE, THAT'S FOR SURE. WE DO. THEY DO. AND WHEN WE.

AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS BEING THE WORST STREETS IN THE CITY, AND WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE CAPACITY TO DO ALL OF THOSE EITHER, ALTHOUGH MAYBE WE DO BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALLER IN NUMBER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.

IT'S A TOUGH CHOICE. MISS BUHLER, THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN HOWARTH FOR ASKING THAT, BECAUSE I COULDN'T REMEMBER THAT $50 MILLION BUDGET THAT WE BASICALLY NEED TO STAY WITHIN.

MY QUESTION IS HOW DO WE GET TO THESE NUMBERS ON THE MAJOR ROADS? ARE THESE REAL ESTIMATES? YES. SO WE HAD A CONSULTANT THAT WENT AND EVALUATED THOSE ROADS AND GOT ESTIMATES FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE ROADS. OKAY. SO I SERVED ON THE LAST BOND COMMITTEE AND WE ALL WANTED TO DO BLACKBURN BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A REAL NEED. AT THAT TIME, THE 2021 TRAFFIC STUDY ESTIMATED THAT 10 MILLION TO 15 MILLION WITH A FOUR LANE UNDIVIDED ROADWAY. AND NOW WE'VE GONE FROM 15 MILLION TO 38,000,000 IN 5 YEARS.

SO THIS IS I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ON THAT. JUST TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT, THE COST WAS THE ROADWAY ALONE. THIS WOULD ALSO BE FOR PARCEL ACQUISITION.

PROPERTY ACQUISITION, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE PART OF THIS.

SO THERE'S ESCALATION FROM THAT NUMBER FROM SIX YEARS AGO.

BUT IT'S ALSO BECAUSE THERE'D BE AN EXTENSIVE LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE TO BE ACQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A FOUR LANE ROAD.

OKAY. THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A REALLY HARD LIST TO NARROW DOWN.

THESE ARE BIG PROBLEMS. THESE PROBLEMS AREN'T GOING AWAY. AND IF WE WAIT FIVE MORE YEARS, THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO SPEND DOUBLE THAT.

SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THE BOND COMMITTEE THINKS AND GOING FROM THERE.

MR. PRESTENBERG. YES. MY QUESTION FOR THE BLACKBURN INGRAM PROJECT, IT WAS GOING TO BE A FOUR LANE ROAD, TWO LANE. OKAY. I WAS HOPING SO. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE ON THIS COMMITTEE I'M ASSUMING THEY CAN BRING THEIR OWN IDEAS. RIGHT. IS THERE ANY FORMAT LIKE, I KNOW IF I WANT TO BRING AN IDEA HERE, I NEED FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO. CAN THEY SOLELY DO IT OR DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE BACKING THEM UP TO PRESENT IT OR ANYTHING? NO. THEY CAN SOLELY BRING UP ANY FEEDBACK OR QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE.

YEAH. OKAY. I WASN'T ON COUNCIL LAST MONTH, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

AND THEN WITH THAT, IF SOMEONE COMES UP WITH AN IDEA LIKE I THINK SO.

AND SO ROAD SHOULD BE REDONE, DOES THE STAFF THEN DOES THE STAFF THEN SAY, OKAY, WE'LL DO A QUICK SWAG FOR YOU FROM AN ESTIMATE STANDPOINT? YES WE CAN. WE WOULD TRY TO GET THE ANSWERS TO THEIR QUESTIONS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT, DEPENDING ON THE QUESTION THAT THEY HAVE AND GET IF THERE'S A NEW ESTIMATE.

FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TIM LEGH-PAGE BROUGHT UP WAS THE FIELDS.

WE KIND OF ANTICIPATED THAT QUESTION. AND SO WE WERE ACTUALLY GOING FORWARD AND LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING ESTIMATES ON WHAT THAT MAY BE, JUST IN CASE THAT DOES COME UP WITH THE BOND COMMITTEE AS WELL.

BUT SINCE IT CAME UP AGAIN, I WROTE IT DOWN. SO YES, ABSOLUTELY.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ANSWERS TO THOSE. OKAY.

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SO OKAY, SO I KNOW SACHSE ROAD PHASE TWO GETS US TO WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY, CORRECT.

I THOUGHT SACHSE PHASE 3 WAS WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY TO THE BRIDGE, BUT IT'S ONLY WOODBRIDGE BROOK PARKWAY TO CREEK, NOT CREEK CROSSING COUNTRY CLUB. THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN PHASE FOUR IS WOODBRIDGE COUNTRY CLUB.

COUNTRY CLUB TO THE BRIDGE. THAT'S THE BRIDGE. OKAY.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A PHASE FOUR. FOR SOME REASON, I THOUGHT THERE WAS THREE PHASES, SO THAT'S NEWS TO ME.

OKAY. WELL, INTERESTING. OKAY. YEAH. THE I THINK WHAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING THOUGH, IS WHEN WE HAVE ALL THE VOLUNTEERS OR BOARD OR FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD OR COMMITTEE AS THEY COME UP WITH IDEAS, LET'S SAY THEY, THEY'RE KICKING AROUND BETWEEN THE $45 MILLION WHERE THERE'S NO TAX INCREASE IN A $65 MILLION OPTION WITH THE TAX RATE INCREASE MIGHT LOOK LIKE FROM THEIR OWN POCKETBOOKS. RIGHT. SO THAT THEY IF THEY'RE ABLE TO STOMACH IT.

RIGHT. I MEAN, WE'RE ULTIMATELY GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT, RIGHT? BUT MAYBE SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF WE DO THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE A $492, YOU KNOW, HIT TO EVERYONE'S POCKETBOOK HERE ON THIS COMMITTEE PLUS AROUND THE CITY JUST TO SHOW THAT IN THAT WAY WHEN WE VOTE ON IT WE KNOW WHAT THEIR TEMPERAMENT WAS ON IT, WHICH I GUESS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

THEY PROBABLY WANT TO DO IT, BUT IT COULD BE A TIGHT VOTE OR WHATNOT.

SO YEAH, VERY CURIOUS ON THAT BECAUSE IF 50 MILLION IS NOT GOING TO GO A LONG WAYS.

IF JUST FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION HERE WITH THE 50 MILLION, HOW MANY YEARS A BOND CAN IT BE? IS THERE, IS THERE A LIMIT GOING TO BE A TEN YEAR BOND PROGRAM OR THREE YEAR? SO GENERALLY SPEAKING WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY WITHIN TEN YEARS.

THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO, HOPEFULLY IS GET IT DONE WITHIN ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.

AND SO THAT'S, OUR GOAL. BUT IN TERMS OF PAYOFF, IT'S IT'S A 30 YEAR TO PAY OFF THE BOND.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. MILLSAP. OKAY.

MY QUESTION IS, FROM WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN, CAN THE BOND COMMITTEE ADD THINGS THAT AREN'T ON THIS WISH LIST? YES. AND ARE WE MAKING A COMMITMENT TO THE CITIZENS THAT NOTHING WILL BE ADDED TO THE BOND PROPOSAL THAT IS NOT RECOMMENDED BY THE BOND COMMITTEE? WELL, THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL. I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT WAS WAS THAT NOT THE LAST BOND COMMITTEE? DID WE NOT HAVE THAT PRETTY MUCH AGREEMENT? NOT NECESSARILY.

I MEAN, THE BOND COMMITTEE CAN PROPOSE, AS MR. THATCHER SAID, THE BOND COMMITTEE CAN PROPOSE THINGS ON THIS LIST, THINGS NOT ON THIS LIST.

IT'S JUST IT HAS TO COME TO US AND WE EITHER WE AGREE WITH THAT.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING ADDED OR WE DON'T AGREE WITH IT AND WE DON'T ADD IT.

WELL, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE TO. BUT ARE WE SAYING THAT WE WON'T DISCRIMINATELY JUST.

INDISCRIMINATELY ADD SOMETHING THAT BOND COMMITTEE DOES NOT RECOMMEND? I HAVE NO IDEA. WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT MEETING YET. OKAY.

MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS. SO I WAS HERE IN THE LAST BOND COMMITTEE.

AND TURF FIELDS ALWAYS COME UP FROM THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE KIDS PLAYING BASEBALL.

AND I HAD A KID PLAYING BASEBALL AT THE TIME, AND IT WASN'T IMPORTANT WHEN MY KID WASN'T PLAYING BASEBALL ANYMORE.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT IN THERE, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TURF FIELDS AT OTHER PLACES, I.E. RANCH PARK VILLAGE, AS WE NOW TAKE CARE OF THAT PARK, THAT FIELD, NOT THE ONE IN JK SACHSE, BUT THE ONE THERE. IT'S A MULTI-USE KIND OF FIELD.

THERE'S KIDS THAT PLAY SOCCER THERE EVERY DAY. THE GRASS HAS NOT GROWN SINCE THAT PARK WAS BUILT BECAUSE ALL YEAR ROUND THAT GETS GETS UTILIZED BECAUSE THERE, WHEN IT WAS BUILT WERE THE, THE STRING LIGHTS WERE PUT UP ABOVE IT.

SO THAT GETS USED ALL YEAR ROUND ALL THE TIME.

IT'S NEVER GOING TO GROW GRASS. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THERE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT TURF ANYWHERE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT INCLUDED VERSUS THE MULTI-USE FIELD AT JK SACHSE THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN BUILT UPON YET. MR. PRESTENBERG, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE BOND PAYOFF, TERM LIMITS AND EVERYTHING. WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB THE LAST 20 YEARS.

I'VE GOT TO SAY, SEVERAL BONDS. COUNCIL'S WAY BEFORE ME DID A REALLY GOOD JOB AT REFINANCING BOND DEBT AND PAYING THAT OFF EARLY.

SO THE BOND TYPICALLY IS A 30 YEAR BOND. BUT COUNCIL'S HERE AND OUR CREDIT RATING HAS ALLOWED US TO REFINANCE THOSE OVER TIME AND PAY THEM OFF EARLIER, REDUCING JUST INTEREST BASICALLY. PARKING AT HERITAGE PARK.

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WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN PREVIOUS YEARS WHEN WE DID THE HERITAGE PARK RENOVATION OR ADDITION ON THE NEW SIDE.

SO CAN SOMEONE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, WHY IT'S ON HERE AGAIN? SO I THINK WE DID DO SOME, SOME ENHANCEMENTS AT THE TIME WHEN WE WERE DOING THE HERITAGE PARK.

THE NEWER SIDE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE WERE TO EXPAND THE PARK WITH THE WAY THAT THE OPTION AS WRITTEN, THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE MORE PARKING TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THE EVENTS THAT IS DESIRED.

IF WE DO, THE FULL OPTION OF THE PARK. IS THAT INCLUDING THE ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE NEW SIDE? CORRECT. WITH THAT, YOU STILL NEED MORE PARKING. YES.

ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE LAST COUNT, MR. THATCHER, IF YOU'LL PUT THAT SLIDE UP LAST COUNT, IT WAS $250,000 FOR A PARKING LOT.

SO WHAT'S TODAY'S NUMBER? 500? IT USUALLY DOUBLES EVERYTHING.

YOU GIVE US EVERYTHING WE EVER HEAR DOUBLES. SO I'M JUST ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE HALF A MILLION NOW.

PROBABLY A FAIR. NO ONE'S TELLING ME NO. SO WE'LL GO WITH THAT. THE LAST THING I SAY, I WILL SAY IS COMMENT ON THE DEBT CAPACITY.

WE HAVE 50 MILLION WITHOUT RAISING THE TAX RATE WITH 50 MILLION IF WE DO THE FULL 50 MILLION.

THAT'S NOT INCLUDING ANYTHING OVER AND ABOVE THAT.

THAT MAKES IT THAT MUCH HARDER TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT AT LEAST PRESENT A NUMBER THAT WILL ALLOW AT A LOWER RATE TO ALLOW SOME DISCUSSION OF A TAX REDUCTION LOWER THAN THE 50 MILLION. GOTCHA. OKAY. MISS BUHLER.

GOING BACK TO THE MAJOR ROADS PROJECT LIST CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY? I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK GOING ON OVER THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME SECTIONS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON CURRENTLY.

OH YES. SO THIS IS FULL REPLACEMENT. SO ALL OF THOSE ARE THAT'S JUST PANEL REPAIR THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

THIS WOULD BE A FULL REPLACEMENT. YES. I MEAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DOING OVER THERE LOOKS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.

IS IT. WE'RE GOING RIGHT AWAY AND. RIGHT. WELL BUT IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THOUGH.

BUT BETWEEN CREEK CROSSING TO SACHSE ROAD, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE VERY MANY.

ALL THE PANELS THAT WE'RE DOING ARE FROM COX ELEMENTARY NORTH.

WE'RE TALKING HERE OF FULL, COMPLETE REDO FROM CREEK CROSSING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SACHSE ROAD, WHICH WE REALLY HAVEN'T. WE'VE DONE A FEW PANELS IN THAT AREA, BUT RIGHT NOW MOST OF THE PANEL REPLACEMENT IS NORTH.

YES. SO WE ARE STOPPING AT CREEK CROSSING WITH THAT PANEL REPLACEMENT.

WHAT THIS IS REFERRING TO IS EVERYTHING SOUTH OF SOUTH OF THAT.

OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW ON WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY, RIGHT NEXT TO 7-ELEVEN, IT IS HAS CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE REPLACED. NO. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FROM CREEK CROSSING, WHICH IS WHERE COX ELEMENTARY IS ALL THE WAY SOUTH TO SACHSE ROAD.

THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE FULL REPLACEMENT.

ROAD REPLACEMENT, NOT JUST CONCRETE PANELS LIKE WE'RE DOING FROM CREEK CROSSING GOING UP NORTH TO THE 7-ELEVEN.

THEY WILL BE DOING THIS. SORRY TO. THE 7-ELEVEN WILL BE DOING CURRENT REPLACEMENT IN THE PANELS OF THE PROJECT THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON NOW.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. YES. YEAH. I ALMOST THINK OF IT AS A NORTH PROJECT VERSUS A SOUTH PROJECT.

CORRECT. WITH CREEK CROSSING BEING THE DELINEATION.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING TO MISS BUHLER'S QUESTION, WHAT THIS WOULD PAY FOR IS A SOUTH PROJECT.

YES. OKAY. AND NOT JUST REPLACING PANELS. THIS WOULD BE GOING IN.

AND HOW FAR DOES THE MERIT REALIGNMENT GO DOWN WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY.

ONCE IT COMES THROUGH HERE, IT DOESN'T. IT ONLY GOES TO THE INTERSECTION.

IT ONLY GOES TO THE LIGHT. RIGHT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS. SORRY. LAST ONE, I PROMISE.

OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. PLEASANT VALLEY ROAD. HIT IT ONE MORE TIME.

OFF MIC]. NO, OF COURSE NOT. THERE YOU GO. PLEASANT VALLEY ROAD, MILES TO EXISTING BEND SOUTH OF PGBT ONLY.

COULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT BETTER? BECAUSE WE HAVE IT IN THE PACKET.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT TELLS YOU WHERE THAT IS. KIND OF LIKE THE NORTH AND SOUTH THING WOULD BE CONFUSING. COULD YOU ILLUSTRATE OR REITERATE THAT? WELL, I'LL TRY TO MY BEST ABILITY WITHOUT A MAP.

YOU COULD DO IT IN ONE PLACE. NORTH PLACE CHURCH.

YEAH. SO FROM THAT. EXACTLY. FROM MILES FROM THAT POINT.

ALL THE WAY OVER. ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE WHERE WE GET TO MERIT ROAD.

IF I'M RIGHT. SO IT'S PLEASANT. SO IT'S PLEASANT VALLEY ROAD, MILES ROAD, WHICH IS JUST ALL IT'S IT'S SORT OF THE FAR FARTHEST WESTERN PLACE YOU

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CAN GO. IT'S AN OLD PLEASANT VALLEY ROAD. SO IT'S NOT THE NEW ONE.

IT'S OLD PLEASANT VALLEY ROAD WHERE NORTH PLACE CHURCH IS.

SO IT'S RIGHT THERE AT MILES. AND THEN YOU TAKE PLEASANT VALLEY TO WHERE IT GOES UP TO THE BEND SOUTH OF THE GEORGE BUSH, RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THE EVOLVE BUILDING IS. THAT'S WHERE THE TERMINUS IS.

SO IT'S THAT AREA. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

NO, I JUST WANTED IT TO BE DESCRIBED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MAP IN THE PRESENTATION.

IT WASN'T OUR PACKETS. I JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNEW IT WASN'T EAST OF MERIT.

WE COULD NOT HAVE THAT BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY. NO.

MR. MILLSAP AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, MY COMMENT IS PRIMARILY WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE PARK'S DEVELOPMENT. I FEEL LIKE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT DOLLARS, WE ALSO NEED TO REALISTICALLY DO A OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE BUDGET IMPACT BECAUSE AS YOU'RE ADDING PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND ESPECIALLY WHERE WE GO TO NATURAL GRASS OR OUR TURF ON THE FIELDS, THAT'S GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

WHEN I WAS INVOLVED IN CHANGING FOOTBALL FIELDS AT UNIVERSITIES FROM NATURAL GRASS TO TURF, THE OPERATIONAL COST WENT UP ABOUT 25%. AND I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE REALIZE YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO ARTIFICIAL TURF.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOW IT. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO COST AS MUCH. IT ACTUALLY COST MORE.

AND THEN AS IT GETS WORN DOWN, IT DOESN'T GROW TO REPLACE IT.

AND YES, WHEN YOU GET UNREASONABLE USE OF IT, GRASS WILL NEVER GROW BACK EITHER.

YOU CAN'T GROW AS FAST AS YOU WEAR IT AWAY. BUT ALSO THE ARTIFICIAL TURF PEOPLE THINKS, WELL, IT'S ARTIFICIAL. IT WILL NEVER WEAR OUT. IT DOES WEAR OUT.

AND THEN THE COST OF THAT REPLACING GETS VERY EXPENSIVE.

SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DO A OPERATIONAL BUDGET IMPACT STATEMENT ANALYSIS BEFORE WE LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS.

OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY. WELL, I WOULD REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE FIRST BOND COMMITTEE MEETING IS THIS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 8TH. WHAT TIME? SIX. 6 P.M. 6 P.M. RIGHT HERE AT CITY HALL.

SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, GIVE HIM A SHOUT. OKAY.

[H. Executive Session]

WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. ITEM H EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ITEM ONE. THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONVENES EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. SECTION 551.087 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DELIBERATIONS DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE RELATING TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROJECT CRIMSON. ITEM TWO THE CITY COUNCIL EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY ON A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH THIS CHAPTER CONFIDENTIALITY OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THE TIME MS. GRANGER. 8:42 P.M.. WE ADJOURN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 8:42 P.M.

AND WE ARE CONVENED BACK INTO OPEN SESSION. THE TIME MS. GRANGER. 9:43 P.M.. 9:42? 43. 43, OKAY. OH, HOUR AND ONE MINUTE.

ALL RIGHT. RECONVENE BACK IN OPEN SESSION AT 9:43 P.M.

[I. Action Resulting from Executive Session]

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM I ACTION RESULTING FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THE FIRST ITEM IS TAKING THE ACTION AS RESULT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING PROJECT CRIMSON. DOES ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE. ENTERTAIN MOTIONS. MR. PRESTENBERG.

YES, MR. MAYOR. I MOVE THAT THE CITY MANAGER BE AUTHORIZED TO NEGOTIATE AND SIGN AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER OF PROJECT CRIMSON PROVIDING FOR A SALES TAX REIMBURSEMENT GRANT, INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT, FEE WAIVER IMPACT, FEE REIMBURSEMENTS AND OR CREDITS AND OR GRANT OF FUND FROM TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE. NUMBER ONE FUNDS SUBSTANTIALLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION.

MOTION BY MR. PRESTENBERG. DO I HAVE A SECOND? MR. LEGH-PAGE, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. HAVE A SECOND.

BY MR. LEGH-PAGE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR BALLOT.

MOTION CARRIES WITH MAYOR PRO TEM FRANKS VOTING NO.

MR. MILLSAP VOTING NO. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ADJOURNMENT.

THE TIME MS. GRANGER. 9:45 P.M.. WE ADJOURNED AT 9:45 P.M.

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