[00:00:03] ALL RIGHT. WELCOME TO THE BOND 2027 COMMITTEE MEETING. [A. Meeting Opening] TODAY IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 27TH, AND THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER AT 6 P.M. ON THE DOT. IF EVERYONE WILL PLEASE RISE, I'LL LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION. WE'VE ASKED CHRIS LEE TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGES. OUR DEAR FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THIS EVENING AND TO TALK ABOUT THE BOND PROPOSITIONS FOR THE CITY OF SACHSE. WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE SERVICE AND THE TIME AND EFFORT OF EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE TO SIT AND DISCUSS AND TO RESEARCH. PLEASE BLESS THIS WILL BE GUIDED TO, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, TO BE ABLE TO GET CLOSER TO MAKING DECISIONS THAT WILL HELP THE CITY IN ITS FUTURE. PLEASE BLESS OUR CITY LEADERS, BLESS OUR CITIZENS, BLESS US THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROGRESS AND BE SUCCESSFUL IN ALL THAT WE DO. PLEASE WATCH OVER OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. KEEP THEM SAFE AS THEY DO THEIR BEST TO KEEP US SAFE. AND THESE THINGS WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR AND DO SO IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM D. PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD REGARDING ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION OR PUBLIC HEARING. [B. Public Comment] COMMENTS REGARDING ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS ON THE AGENDA SHALL BE ADDRESSED DURING PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. THE TIME LIMIT IS THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS SHALL BE PRESENTED TO THE ACTING SECRETARY PRIOR TO THE MEETING, ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THE BOARD IS PROHIBITED FROM DISCUSSING ANY ITEM NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA, BUT WILL TAKE COMMENT UNDER ADVISEMENT. I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD HERE FOR MARTY HOLLO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? MARTY HOLLO. 511 OAK RIDGE CIRCLE, SACHSE, TEXAS. TOP OF THE HILL. MAKE THIS QUICK. ONCE AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE AWESOME AMOUNT OF TIME Y'ALL ARE ALLOWING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THIS BOND ELECTION. IT'S JUST OUTSTANDING. AND I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY ANTHONY LANE'S NOT UP THERE. IT'S A PIECE OF CRAP ROAD. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM C. [1. Discuss potential Bond 2027 projects.] DISCUSSION ITEMS. DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL BOND 2027 PROJECTS. AND I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO LOGAN. TO YOU FOR NOW. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME, EVERYBODY. I'LL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT. THERE IS A LOT OF MATERIAL FOR CONTEXT IN CASE WHEN WE DISCUSS PROJECTS. IF YOU NEED ME TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH, BE PATIENT WITH ME. THERE'S A LOT OF SLIDES. BUT AGAIN, TONIGHT WE WANT TO REVIEW THE COMMITTEE'S CHARGE. WE'LL REVIEW THE TIMELINE, POTENTIAL PROJECTS TO HAVE DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME NEXT STEPS. SO AS YOU RECALL FROM OUR FIRST MEETING, THE COMMITTEE WILL LEARN ABOUT THE CITY'S CAPITAL NEEDS AND THE CANDIDATE PROJECTS, AND RECOMMEND WHICH PROJECTS TO INCLUDE WITHIN THE CITY'S FINANCIAL CAPACITY AND RECOMMEND HOW PROJECTS ARE GROUPED INTO BALLOT PROPOSITIONS. THEN YOU WILL BRING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY AND DECIDE WHAT TO BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT AND THEY WILL CALL THE ELECTION BY THE FEBRUARY DEADLINE IF DESIRED. HERE IS THE TIMELINE, AS YOU RECALL. WE MAY COME BACK TO THIS AS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF DISCUSS AT THIS MEETING. AND THEN AS YOU RECALL, HERE'S THE REVIEW OF THE PROJECTS FROM THAT MEETING THAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR FIRST MEETING, THE MAJOR ROADS, NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES AND THE PARKS. AND REMINDER THAT THE TOTAL DEBT CAPACITY WITHOUT RAISING THE TAX RATE IS $55,535,000. OKAY. I WANT TO BRING THIS UP BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PROJECTS. THIS IS THE CITY'S MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN. AND AS YOU RECALL IN THAT DISCUSSION, IN THAT FIRST MEETING, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT BLACKBURN, INGRAM ROAD, WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SUFFICE TO DO A FOUR LANE ROAD OR A TWO [00:05:07] LANE ROAD. AND THAT GOT BROUGHT UP. THE REASON THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP FOR A FOUR LANE ROAD IS, AS YOU CAN SEE, BLACKBURN ROAD. I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SEE MY CURSOR HERE, BUT IT'S THAT YELLOW ROAD THAT'S OFF THERE TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE. SO THAT IS A MINOR ARTERIAL ROAD. SO MINOR ARTERIAL ROADS ARE ROADS SUCH AS LIKE DEWITT, MILES, SACHSE ROAD THAT ARE DIVIDED, THAT ARE MORE OF COLLECTOR STREETS FROM CITY TO CITY FOR SLOWER SPEEDS, TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND CAPACITY. SO THAT IS THE REASONING FOR WHY BLACKBURN WAS RECOMMENDED AS FAR AS A FOUR LANE APPROACH. SO ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, LIKE I JUST MENTIONED, IT WOULD BE EXPANDED TO FOUR LANE ROAD. SO DUE TO SEVERAL QUESTIONS OF WHETHER OR NOT A TWO LANE ROAD WOULD EVEN BE ACCEPTABLE, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HOLD A DISCUSSION ON NOVEMBER 16TH TO PROVIDE POLICY DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THAT IS A POLICY DISCUSSION, RATHER THAN JUST WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD CHANGE IT FROM FOUR LANE TO TWO LANE, RELATIVE TO THIS MATTER. SO BECAUSE OF ALL DISCUSSION ON BLACKBURN, I WANT TO PUT A PIN IN THAT BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AT OUR NEXT MEETING. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT DISCUSSION GOES, WE MAY BE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY ADDING ANOTHER MEETING IN EARLY JANUARY, LIKE THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK OF JANUARY. JUST DEPENDING, RIGHT? IT GOT TO BE ABLE TO FIT IN AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN AND IN A KIND OF A SCRUNCHED TIMELINE. SO JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT CLARIFICATION THAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING A PIN IN IT FOR NOW ON BLACKBURN, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DISCUSS OTHER PROJECTS. SO, A REMINDER. THIS IS NOT A FINAL DECISION NIGHT FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. AND TONIGHT'S GOAL REALLY IS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON PROJECTS AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE BOND COMMITTEE'S PRIORITIES. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I ALSO WANTED TO PROVIDE EXAMPLES IN HERE FROM WHEN WE DID THE BOND PROPOSITION IN 2021, THERE WERE FOUR BOND PROPOSITIONS. THERE WERE TWO FOR MAJOR STREET PROJECTS. THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, PROPOSITION A WAS FOR SACHSE ROAD PHASES TWO AND THREE. THIS WAS MAJOR STREET PROJECTS AS WELL. PROPOSITION B, THIS WAS BAILEY ROAD, WILLIFORD ROAD AND WEST CREEK LANE. THEN WE HAD PROPOSITION C, WHICH WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PACKAGE, WHICH IS A PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF $5 MILLION. AND THEN PROPOSITION D WAS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ANIMAL SHELTER AS WELL, ABOUT $5 MILLION. I WANTED TO PROVIDE THOSE EXAMPLES JUST SO YOU GUYS COULD SEE THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS BUILT INTO THOSE PROPOSITIONS BACK FROM 2021. SO THIS IS THE NEXT STEP SLIDES, BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE. SORRY FOR GOING BACK HERE ON THE CATEGORY. SO WE HAVE THE MAJOR ROADS, NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES AND PARKS. SO AT THIS TIME, I TURN THE TIME OVER TO YOU, SCOTT, ON ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO LEAD ON THIS DISCUSSION. DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE THAT BREAKS DOWN THE MAJOR ROADS? YEP. OKAY. SO JUST TO LEVEL SET FOR ALL OF US HERE, I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY TOOK OPPORTUNITIES TO GET TOURS OF THE DIFFERENT FIRE STATIONS AND PUBLIC SAFETY. I KNOW A LOT OF US DROVE A LOT OF THE ROADS. AS WE LOOK AT TONIGHT. AGAIN, TONIGHT IS NOT DECISION NIGHT. OKAY? WE'RE NOT MAKING MOTIONS. WE'RE NOT MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT. TONIGHT IS MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED. IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND AND GET A BETTER FEEL FOR WHERE SOME OF US WHAT WHAT WE THINK AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS. I'M SURE A LOT OF YOU HAVE ALSO TALKED TO NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS, THOSE THAT LIVE IN SACHSE TO GET AN IDEA AS TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING. AND SO REMEMBER THAT. NUMBER TWO, ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT, WHEN WE GET INTO SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, SOMETIMES WE WANT TO GET WAY DOWN DEEP INTO THE WEEDS AND SAY, WHY DOES IT COST X TO PUT THIS CURB UP AND WHY TO PUT THAT STRIPING ON THE STREET? OKAY. OR HOW MUCH DOES IT COST FOR EACH OF THE NITTY GRITTY DETAILS? THAT PART OF IT, I WOULD SAY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE STAY AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE OUR ROLE ISN'T NECESSARILY TO FIGURE OUT, SHOULD THAT ROAD COST $20 MILLION? OUR DISCUSSION IS, WOULD WE BE WILLING TO SAY TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL? YES. AS CITIZENS, WE THINK THAT $20 MILLION SHOULD GO TOWARDS THAT, OR AT LEAST GO TO THE VOTERS TO THEN FIGURE THAT OUT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TRY TO BE CAREFUL. SO IF I DO CUT YOU OFF BECAUSE WE FIND OURSELVES IN THE WEEDS, [00:10:02] PLEASE DON'T GET MAD AT ME. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LEVEL SET KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AND WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH EACH OF THEM. AND AGAIN, PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS, PLEASE. THIS IS OPEN DISCUSSION. WE'RE NOT HERE TO ATTACK EACH OTHER, BUT JUST SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE IS IT THAT WE WE THINK AND PRIORITIES THAT OUGHT TO BE KNOWING THAT THERE'S $84 MILLION WORTH OF ROADS JUST ITSELF. AND I GOT $55 MILLION TO WORK WITH. AND SO ONE QUESTION I WILL ASK AND I ASK THIS JUST I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS AS I WAS DRIVING OVER HERE. I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT THERE REALLY ISN'T AN APPETITE TO RECOMMEND ANYTHING OVER THE 55 THAT WOULD CAUSE TAXES TO GO UP. IS THAT? ARE WE? IS THAT FAIR OR DO PEOPLE WANT TO DISAGREE WITH ME? I MEAN, THAT IS CORRECT. I THINK EVERYONE. WELL, ME, SPEAKING FOR ME, EVERYONE HAS BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT, OF COURSE, TAXES AND THINGS GOING UP. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL PUT UP A RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE TAXES. HOWEVER, I STILL UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF EVERY SINGLE ROAD HERE. I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR. IS IT COREY? YES, HE MIGHT STAND UP A FEW TIMES TONIGHT. SO I THINK I CAME WITH ABOUT 20 QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS, FOR THE BOND FUNDS THAT ARE BEING PAID TODAY. SO PAST BONDS THAT WERE PAYING THE FUNDS BACK. WAS THE PROJECTION OF WHEN IT WOULD BE PAID OFF TO POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO, OF COURSE, AFFORD TO DO MORE? THAT'S A HARD QUESTION. WE'D HAVE TO GIVE UP THE BOND. SORRY. LOGAN LOOKS LIKE HE HAS THE ANSWER. AND THE COUNCIL DID THAT KIND OF RECENTLY, RIGHT? SO WE ACTUALLY ACCELERATED OUR 2021 BOND PROCESS. SO THAT WAY WE COULD COME BACK TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS BOND IN 2027. SO WE'RE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE UNDERWAY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE DEBT CAPACITY TO COME BACK TO BOND IN 2027. I THINK YOUR YOUR QUESTION IS, WHEN IS THE 2021 BOND GOING TO BE PAID OFF? WELL, NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFICALLY TO 2021 BOND. I THINK THE LAST MEETING THERE'S A FEW BONDS THAT ARE STILL BEING PAID, INCLUDING I THINK THE 2019. MY QUESTION MORE IS TOWARDS IF WE SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND FOR AN INCREASE THE FULL PACKET FOR AN INCREASE IN TAXES, AT WHAT POINT WOULD THE CITY BE IN A LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ON WHATEVER PROJECT WE DO NOT RECOMMEND, BASED ON PAYING OFF PREVIOUS BONDS? SO WE'D HAVE TO BASICALLY. IT'S LIKE YOUR MORTGAGE FOR YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT? WE'D HAVE TO SAVE THE MONEY AHEAD IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THOSE PROJECTS, RIGHT? AND SO THAT COULD, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OR THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT, IT WOULD BE MULTIPLE YEARS TO SAVE UP ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS. BUT IT'S MORE, I THINK, THE QUESTION, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PAY DOWN SOME OF THE BONDS, WHICH CREATES MORE CAPACITY TO ISSUE MORE CITY BONDS, NOT NECESSARILY SAVING UP FOR THEM. THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT WHERE WE PAY THEM DOWN. THERE'S A PAYMENT SCHEDULE THAT I'VE SEEN THAT'S KIND OF, HEY, SO WE DON'T. FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T DO BLACKBURN AT ALL. EXACTLY. IS IT A MATTER OF, HEY, IN THREE YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO PAY DOWN SOME OF THESE OLDER BONDS. AND THAT GIVES US THE CAPACITY WHERE YOU COULD DO A COMPLETELY SEPARATE BOND VOTE FOR THAT ONE. IS IT THREE YEARS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT OR IS IT FIVE MORE YEARS OR IS IT. SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE. SORRY. NO, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, FROM 2021 BOND, IT WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE COULD START TO ISSUE OUT FOR A NEW BOND, BEING ABLE TO ACCELERATE THOSE PROJECTS. OKAY. AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO FIND OUT THE EXACT TIMING, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL SPLIT UP INTO DIFFERENT SEGMENTS, RIGHT? SO I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ANSWER ON TIMING FOR YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. AND THEN. OKAY, WE WANT TO GET THE ANSWER THEN. YES. CORRECT. YEAH. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE. NOW, NOT RECOMMENDING THE FULL PROJECT, BUT IF RECOMMENDING ANYTHING OVER THE 55, WHAT'S THE CALCULATION AND HOW MUCH WOULD TAXES INCREASE BY AND FOR HOW LONG? SO THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE AMOUNT IS OVER THE $55 MILLION, RIGHT? THAT'S. SO IT'S KIND OF CHICKEN AND THE EGG, RIGHT? I COULDN'T GIVE YOU THOSE NUMBERS UNTIL WE. IF YOU SAID YOU WANT TO DO $80 MILLION, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND RECALCULATE THAT WITH OUR BOND COUNSEL AND SEE HOW THOSE IMPLICATIONS WOULD WOULD KIND OF PLAY OUT THROUGH THE SCHEDULE. BUT YEAH, I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THAT. YEAH. IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS. AND WE COULD GET WITH THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO BE ABLE TO LAY OUT THE SCENARIOS. [00:15:04] BUT UNTIL I GET A NUMBER OF WHAT THE APPETITE IS, WE COULD PLAY. YEAH. SCENARIOS. YEAH. 55 MILLION IS THE NUMBER THAT NOT INCREASE TAX RATE. THE TAX RATE. RIGHT. SO. OKAY, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE DO NOT APPROVE SACHSE ROAD PHASE FOUR AND WILEY GETS THEIR SIGN OFF DURING THIS NOVEMBER ELECTION, WHAT HAPPENS? WILEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT UNTIL WE HAVE OUR MONEY, OR CAN THEY DO IT AND BILL US LATER? LIKE. [APPLAUSE]. NO, SO WE CAN GO. SO YOU YOU RAISE A GREAT QUESTION THAT THAT I'VE RAISED AS WELL. OKAY. AND SO YOU'RE SWITCHING THROUGH SOME SLIDES, AREN'T YOU? OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF PUT A TEMPORARY PIN ON THAT QUESTION JUST FOR A SECOND, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO IT. OKAY. SO THERE'S SACHSE ROAD PHASE FOUR. SO LET ME COME DOWN HERE IN A SECOND. ARE WE OKAY TABLING THE BLACKBURN DISCUSSION UNTIL AFTER COUNCIL? WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS? YES. ALL RIGHT. SO LEAVE THAT ONE TABLED TILL. IT MAY MEAN ANOTHER MEETING, SO I'LL APOLOGIZE NOW. BUT I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO. THEN YOU GO TO SACHSE ROAD. OKAY? IF WILEY DOESN'T GET THEIR BOND, DO WE SPEND ANY TIME WITH SACHSE ROAD OURSELVES? NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SMALLER PORTION. I MEAN, I'VE READ THERE. WE HAVE THE SMALLER PORTION. SO WHY AM I EXPANDING MINE IF THEY'RE NOT? OKAY. SO DO WE PUT A PIN IN THIS ONE UNTIL THEIR ELECTION FINDS OUT HERE ON TUESDAY? TUESDAY. TUESDAY. I MEAN, IT'S TUESDAY. BUT THEN EVEN IF THEY GET THEIR BOND. AND WE SAY WE DON'T WANT TO INCREASE TAXES BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS. WHAT HAPPENS? THEN THEY COULD WIDEN THEIRS TO THEIR POINT AND THEY STOP. AND IT GOES TO TWO LANES AT US UNTIL PHASE THREE THAT'S ALREADY IN THE WORKS. THAT'S THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE THAT'S NOT CONTINGENT ON WILEY. SO LET'S SAY WE HAD SACHSE ROAD PHASE FOUR. IT WAS APPROVED AND WILEY DID NOT HAVE THEIR SECTION. IT WOULD GO FROM FOUR LANE TO NARROW INTO TWO LANE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SACHSE ROAD PHASE FOUR ON THERE. AND THEIRS WAS APPROVED. THEY COULD DO THAT BACK TO US. RIGHT? ULTIMATELY, WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT PROJECT, BUT THEY COULD TECHNICALLY BUILD THEIR PORTION WITHOUT US, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. CAN WE? WASN'T THERE A BRIDGE? I THOUGHT THERE WAS. YEAH. BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, THERE'S A BRIDGE. I KNOW THAT WE WOULD. CAN'T BUILD HALF A BRIDGE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I THOUGHT LIKE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BRIDGE, BUT OKAY. BECAUSE THEY COULD WIDEN IT UP TO THE BRIDGE. YEAH. AND IF THEY, OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS, WANTED TO BUILD THE WHOLE BRIDGE, WE ALL KNOW WHERE THAT ONE'S GOING TO GO. THEY COULD DO THAT. WE KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. YEAH. I MEAN, AS FAR AS JUST LOGISTICS GO, NOBODY'S GOING TO BUILD HALF A BRIDGE. RIGHT. AND SO WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF WORK WITH THEM ON ON HOW THAT LOOKS. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, CERTAINLY THERE'S SEVERAL POSSIBILITIES WITH THAT. CAN WE SEE THE LIST AGAIN? SORRY. HE'S GOING TO BE GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THIS STUFF JUST A BIT. SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING I CAN'T. NO THAT'S OKAY. AND I HONESTLY. THE COUNTY ROAD EXTENSION, I HONESTLY WANT TO NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT BECAUSE IT IS. EXTENDING TO A PROPERTY DEVELOPER THAT HAS TO BUILD THE ROAD ANYWAYS TO BUILD WHATEVER THEY NEED TO BUILD. OKAY, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS ONE FOR JUST A MINUTE. OTHER THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS? BECAUSE THIS. UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS ROAD IS AND THIS IS NOT ME ADVOCATING FOR IT. SO PLEASE KNOW THAT. THAT ROAD WOULD DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, IT MAKES THAT LAND DEVELOPABLE. OKAY. NOW THAT MAY BE AN EDC QUESTION BEFORE IT IS A. BUT IT'S ALREADY. A BOND DECISION. BUT WITHOUT THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT LAND DEVELOPED. CORRECT. OKAY. AND I'M NOT. AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING, BUT I THOUGHT THAT IN THE LAST MEETING, IT WAS ALREADY BOUGHT. AND THEY HAVE ALREADY PROPOSED THE DEVELOPMENT TO BUILD. THEY ARE GOING THROUGH A P&Z CASE APPLICATION. THE PROCESS OF REZONING THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. WELL, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO GET REZONED FIRST. YEAH. CORRECT. SO. IS THERE. REMIND ME, IS THIS THE ONE ALSO THAT HAS A RESPONSE TIME QUESTION TO IT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY? YEAH. YES. THIS IS. IF THIS WOULD BE ABLE. SO I'LL GO DOWN HERE. IF YOU WERE ABLE TO CONNECT THAT ROAD ALL THE WAY TO COUNTRY CLUB DRIVE, YOU THEN HAVE A SECOND ACCESS POINT FOR EMS TO GET THROUGH TO PLEASANT VALLEY. [00:20:09] OKAY. SO IT WOULD CUT DOWN ON RESPONSE TIMES. OKAY. I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION ON THAT ONE. SO, WHAT PREVENTS THE DEVELOPER FROM PAYING FOR BOTH PARTS OF THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH? BECAUSE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. WHY ARE WE BEING ASKED TO FUND A PORTION OF THAT, IF THE DEVELOPER WHO WOULD WANT TO DEVELOP THAT, WOULD ULTIMATELY END UP BEING THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR IT? FAIR QUESTION. I DON'T DISAGREE. BUT I GUESS TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE WITH YOU AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO LIMIT WHAT DEVELOPER CAN DO THERE. AND IS THERE ENOUGH TAXABLE VALUE IN DEVELOPING THAT LAND TO MAKE IT WORTH OUR TIME. IT'S THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, I HEAR YOU. I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION NOT TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T. OTHER THOUGHTS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE GET TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHERE WE'D SAY, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE'D RECOMMEND OR WHAT WE MIGHT RECOMMEND OR NOT WANT TO DO? BECAUSE I MEAN, TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT IS A. IT'S A GREAT NIGHT FOR QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS. THAT'S WHY I BRING. I BRING UP SOME OF THESE POINTS, NOT, AGAIN, JUST SO WE'RE ALL AWARE. SO ON THIS ONE, COULD YOU SEPARATE IT AND BE LIKE, OKAY THE CITY MIGHT BE WILLING TO DO THE WATER PORTION OF IT BECAUSE THAT CONNECTS AND UPGRADES THE OVERALL SYSTEM, BUT WE WOULD LEAVE THE ROAD AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPER? OR CAN YOU BREAK IT APART? I THINK SO HERE'S WHERE WE GET OFF TRACK A LITTLE BIT. SO YES, I THINK ALL THOSE ARE OPTIONS, RIGHT? AGAIN, THERE'S DIFFERENT INCENTIVES WE CAN WORK WITH. WE CAN GIVE THEM IMPACT FEE CREDITS, WE CAN GIVE THEM, WE CAN DONATE THE LAND TO THEM, RIGHT? THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS A CITY TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO DO THAT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S ALL SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE AT THAT TIME. BUT YES. SO FOR US, IT'S JUST SAYING, HEY, WOULD WE RECOMMEND THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE PART OF THE BOND ELECTION? CORRECT. OUR QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE ADD IT TO OUR BOND OR NOT? I'M NOT NECESSARILY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. HOW THEY MAKE THEIR MOTION YET. THAT'S ALL. BUT AS FAR AS THE RESPONSE TIMES, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO CUT DOWN ON THAT. BUT IF WE. I KNOW WE'LL GET TO THAT. BUT WHAT IF WE FOCUS ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE FACILITIES THAT WILL ALSO CUT DOWN ON RESPONSE TIMES? SO. TRUE. GOTTA, YOU KNOW, WEIGH THE PROS AND CONS. I KNOW WE'LL GET INTO THE BUILDINGS LATER, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE IMPERATIVE. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YEAH. OKAY. SO ARE WE OKAY MOVING ON FROM THIS? WE'VE GOT WHAT WE NEED. IT'S, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW. THE DECISION IS, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. GO BACK TO OUR ROADS FOR A SECOND, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. OKAY. LET'S TALK. SO FOR A MINUTE, SACHSE ROAD, PHASE FOUR. WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PIN IN THAT JUST FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE WE DON'T IF WYLIE DOESN'T GET THEIR BOND AND THEY DON'T DO IT, DO WE SEE A REASON TO SAY, HEY, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SPEND EXACTLY $12 MILLION. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S JUST CONNECTING THE TWO CITIES, RIGHT? ONE PARTICIPATING? IT NEEDS TO BE BOTH SIDES. IF THEY SHOW THEY WANT TO, THEN WE SHOULD. OKAY. BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE BEING, YOU KNOW, FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD. OKAY. THAT WAS KIND OF MY PERSPECTIVE AS WELL ON THIS ONE. I WOULD THINK THAT THIS WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE CONTINGENT UPON MAYBE APPROVING THAT. SORRY. OKAY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL HOLD OFF ON SACHSE THE ROAD JUST A LITTLE BIT. SO WE GOT BLACKBURN AND INGRAM. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN SACHSE ROAD THAT WE'LL HAVE TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME ON. ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL THERE. OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY. YOU GOT A MAP FOR THAT ONE. MY QUESTION ON WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY IS WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE MERRITT ROAD? CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT, COREY? YES. FRANCHISE RELOCATIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE FINAL CORPS OF ENGINEERS APPROVAL. ONCE THAT'S APPROVED, TEXDOT WILL SUBMIT THE PLANS TO THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION FOR THEM TO APPROVE IT. AND THEN WE'LL ACTUALLY START THE ADVERTISEMENT. SO WE'RE WE'RE CLOSE CLOSER THAN WE'VE EVER BEEN. BUT YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE WOULDN'T ADVERTISE THIS PROBABLY UNTIL JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR. AND THEN CONSTRUCTION WOULD START PROBABLY SPRING OR SUMMER OF 27, 27. AND IT'S A TWO YEAR PROJECT, ONE YEAR, 720 DAYS. [00:25:01] YES. TO YOUR PROJECT. OKAY. QUESTION ON THIS ONE. YEP. THERE'S ALREADY REPAIRS GOING FARTHER UP THE ROAD WHERE WE'RE DOING PANEL REPLACEMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. CORRECT. WHAT PREVENTS US FROM DOING A JUST SIMILAR STYLE OF REPLACEMENT THROUGH THIS AREA? AND DOES IT, DOES IT NEED THE WHOLE REPLACEMENT VERSUS JUST PORTIONS? SO WITH THE WITH THE NORTHERN, SAY, THE NORTHERN HALF, WE PROPOSED A GRANT FROM COLLIN COUNTY FOR $8 MILLION. THEY DENIED THAT REQUEST OR THEY DID NOT GET APPROVED FOR THAT PROJECT. AND SO WE SOLD TAX NOTES TO COME UP WITH $3 MILLION TO DO THE PANEL REPLACEMENT. SO AGAIN, YES, WE COULD VERY SIMILARLY DO THE SAME THING ON THIS PORTION. WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE FULL 12 MILLION. IF YOU GUYS SAID YOU ONLY WANT TO SPEND FIVE, WE COULD DO FIVE OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, RIGHT? WE WOULD WE COULD DO THE SAME THING ON THE SOUTH HALF. WHAT WHAT WOULD IT COST TO DO THE INDIVIDUAL REPLACEMENT OF THAT IF WE WERE TO JUST. SO WE HAD THE NUMBER. SO THE 12 MILLION IS THE FULL REMOVE AND REPLACEMENT NUMBER. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE THE INDIVIDUAL PANEL REPLACEMENT. SO WE'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND LIKE WHEN WE DID THE PHASE ONE, WHAT WE CALL PHASE ONE, WE WENT THROUGH AND ACTUALLY WALKED IT WITH A CONSULTANT AND IDENTIFIED THE PANELS THAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED AND KIND OF BACKED INTO THAT $2 MILLION NUMBER. SO WE'D HAVE TO DO KIND OF THE SAME THING. IF YOU SAID 5 MILLION, WE WOULD GO BACK IN AND TRY TO MAKE $5 MILLION WORK AS FAR AS WE COULD GO. SO WE WOULD JUST THROW A NUMBER AT IT AND JUST GUESS AT IT. OKAY, SO I HAD LOGAN PUT THIS UP HERE. THIS IS A PACER RATING OF WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY. OKAY. AND I DON'T DRIVE WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY EVERY DAY. SOME OF YOU GUYS MIGHT. SO IT'S I DRIVE BLACKBURN EVERY DAY, NOT WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY. HELP ME UNDERSTAND IF I'M. BECAUSE THE DARK GREEN IS A IS A RATING OF ONE. WHICH IS THE BEST WHICH IS THE BEST? LIGHT GREEN GETS YOU A LITTLE BIT DEGRADED A LITTLE MORE THAN YELLOW. AND RED IS YOU NEED TO REPLACE SOMETHING OR FIX SOMETHING. I NEED SOMEBODY HELP ME UNDERSTAND. WHY ARE WE RECOMMENDING REPLACING ALL OF THIS WHEN 90% OF IT IS 1 OR 2? HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WHAT WHAT AM I MISSING? BECAUSE IT. SO YEAH. SO I'M PUTTING YOU UNDER THE GUN ON THIS ONE. THAT'S FINE. SO THE WOODBRIDGE DEVELOPMENT IS ROUGHLY 30 YEARS OLD, RIGHT? 30 PLUS YEARS OLD. AND SO AT SOME POINT, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON WHEN THE WHEN WE GO TO CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS PROJECT, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WE MAY HAVE TO REPLACE THE FULL SECTION. RIGHT. AND SO THIS THESE PACER SCORES ARE A SNAPSHOT IN TIME. RIGHT. AGAIN, IF WE IF YOU GUYS ARE REALLY COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING X MILLION DOLLARS, I'M GOING TO GO DO WORSE FIRST, RIGHT. DEPENDING ON THE TIME IN WHICH WE GET THERE TO ACTUALLY DO THE PROJECT, WE'RE WE'RE RECOMMENDING WORST CASE SCENARIO, RIGHT? SO IF IT'S FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN WE GO TO DO THE PROJECT, THAT MAY BE $12 MILLION WORTH OF WORK TO DO. DOES THAT MAKE DOES THAT KIND OF HOW I GOT BACK INTO THOSE NUMBERS? YEAH. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE GETTING THE NUMBERS. I'M JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'M LOOKING AT IT SAYING. FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CAPACITY FOR MORE BONDS WITH THE CITY. AND BASED UPON THE NEEDS, THE OTHER NEEDS THAT ARE THERE. ME PERSONALLY, I'M WILLING TO PUSH THIS ONE OFF A LITTLE BIT. RECOGNIZING ONCE TWO YEARS FROM NOW, MERRITT IS DONE CONNECTED. THEY PROJECTED A LOT MORE TRAFFIC. SO I GET THAT. AND THAT'S I'M. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY. AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S ALL THIS ALL THE SAME THINGS, RIGHT? WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE, KNOWING MERRITT ROAD IS GOING TO COME IN KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 45,000 VEHICLES A DAY, RIGHT. IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW, THAT'S OKAY. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN AHEAD FOR KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FAILING. I THINK 12.2 IS A BIG CHUNK OF THIS BUDGET FOR A ROAD THAT APPEARS TO BE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. HONESTLY, I THINK I THINK IT COULD BE SPENT IN OTHER PLACES, IN MY OPINION. I WONDER GO AHEAD. TRAVIS. SO JUST A SPECIFIC PART. ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THERE'S THE FOUR DOTS THAT ARE THE RED. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT STAND OUT. A PORTION OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN REPLACED WITH THE PREVIOUS ONE BECAUSE IT'S MERGING OVER WITH THE CURRENT ONE. THEY'RE GETTING PART OF IT TAKEN CARE OF. NOW, YOU MAY HAVE 1 OR 2 OF THOSE DOTS LEFT, BUT A PORTION OF THAT, THAT THE WORST CASE IS ALREADY BEING ADDRESSED. CORRECT? OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. OKAY. BUT ON THE BOTTOM PART, TOWARDS MERIT, THE TODAY, OF COURSE, WHAT WE SEE AS YELLOW IS WHAT WE GOING TOWARDS RED. BUT I WILL LEAN TOWARDS A MORE. I DON'T KNOW, I'LL KEEP THINKING. I'LL JUST KEEP THINKING. BUT I THINK ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I ALSO DROVE DOWN IT AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT, WHERE WAS THE PART I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING FOR? LIKE I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T NOTICE BECAUSE IT IS MOSTLY SO GREEN. I DO THINK, YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO BE FIXED, BUT I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY WAIT FIVE YEARS AS [00:30:08] TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO INCREASE KIND OF IN THE AREA. BUT FOR ME, THIS ONE WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOWER PROJECTS. KIND OF BEEN MINE. IS THERE ANY APPETITE? I AGREE WITH IS THERE ANY APPETITE TO SAY YOU PUT WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY IN WITH A CITY STREETS PROPOSITION AND SAY, LOOK, I'M GOING TO BUMP THAT ONE BY A LITTLE BIT, BUT MAYBE MAYBE YOU MAYBE YOU SAY, ALL RIGHT, THERE'S A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS FOR WOODBRIDGE. BUT IF WE END UP NOT NEEDING IT, IT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER STREETS, SOMETHING THAT GIVE THAT FLEX. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING NOW, NOTHING CAN HAPPEN UNTIL EITHER THE CITY CAN ISSUE OTHER CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION OR ANOTHER BOND ELECTION COMES UP FIVE ISH YEARS FROM NOW, IS THAT IS THEIR APPETITE TO SAY MAYBE WE THINK ALONG THOSE LINES MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? I AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH. QUICK QUESTION WOULD THE MERRITT ROAD EXPANSION, WILL 18 WHEELERS BE ALLOWED TO NOW GO THROUGH WOODBRIDGE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SAY THAT AGAIN WITH THE MERRITT ROAD PROJECT. WILL 18 WHEELERS BE ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH WOODBRIDGE? I MEAN, THEY GET PERMISSION TODAY. WE KNOW IT'S NOT A TRUCK ROUTE. IT'S NOT A TRUCK ROUTE. IT'S NOT A TRUCK ROUTE. I KNOW IT'S NOT A TRUCK ROUTE. SO IT IS NOT AN APPROVED TRUCK ROUTE. THAT'S MY OFFICIAL RESPONSE TO THAT. SO IT WON'T BE IT SHOULD NOT WILL NOT BE. IT SHOULD NOT BECOME ONE FOR TRUCKS. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT WOULD IMPACT THE DEGRADATION. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE REASON WHY. I MEAN, IT'S BECOME SO BAD AS WELL. YES. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL LEAVE YOU THERE. BUT I THINK AND ALSO JUST KIND OF ON YOUR IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE MERRITT OR WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PACKAGE. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T NAME SPECIFIC STREETS, BECAUSE IF WE GET TO THAT POINT AND WE GOT TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL EVERY YEAR FOR THE CIP AND LIKE, HEY, WE GET TO A POINT WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE RED SPOTS ON WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT TO COUNCIL, HEY, LET'S SPEND A MILLION OF THE OF THE X AMOUNT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD PACKAGE AND DO THOSE SPECIFIC REPAIRS LIKE WE DID, LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW, RIGHT? I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING THAT IN THERE, PUTTING THAT IN, MAYBE SEND THAT THE OTHER, THE MIX OF THE MIX OF IT. OKAY. BECAUSE THEN IT'S KIND OF WORST, WORST AREA GETS DRESSED. SO, SO FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, IT IS PRETTY, YOU KNOW, ACROSS ALL OF US. YEAH. WE DON'T SEE $12 MILLION FOR THIS. WE DON'T SEE THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT THERE COULD BE SOME VALUE THAT SAYS MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT THAT SET ASIDE FOR WHAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE PUT WITH SOMETHING ELSE. OKAY. YEAH, LIKE A PARTIAL, YOU KNOW, THE PARTIAL PARTIALLY WE CAN FIX. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE MAKING NOTES. I NEED YOU TO SWITCH BACK. YOU DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH TECHNOLOGY YOU WERE GOING TO RUN TODAY, DID YOU? OKAY. SACHSE. OKAY. THEN YOU GET. OKAY. THIS. THAT'S THE MAJOR ROAD. SO WHAT I'M SEEING HERE. BLACKBURN. INGRAM PINNING IT FOR NOW. PLEASANT VALLEY. PLEASANT VALLEY. OH OKAY. WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THAT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT ONE. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I THINK LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY OF GARLAND MORE THAN US. WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AT THIS TIME. I KNOW YOU SAID IT WILL BE DEVELOPED. I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY BETTER FOR DOWN THE LINE WHEN WE SEE THAT DEVELOPMENT. OTHER THOUGHTS IS THE, AS, AS A, THERE'S THAT, THAT AREA THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED THAT'S KIND OF BEEN ON A STANDSTILL. IT'S BEEN PAUSED. RIGHT. IS THE CITY'S POLICY AS, AS THOSE AREAS DEVELOPED, THEY HAVE TO AT LEAST DEVELOP HALF OF THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD. YES, YES. SO ANYTIME A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES IN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD GO INTO AN ESCROW TO PAY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PORTION THAT BUTTS UP TO THE ROAD. HAS THERE BEEN AN ESCROW PUT IN ON THAT ONE AT THIS POINT? YES. EVOLVE HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE ESCROW SL SIX, WHICH IS NORTH OF THE NORTH PLACE CHURCH. THE CHURCH THERE THEY HAVE ESCROW THEIR PORTION. I THINK SPECS DID AS WELL. SO AGAIN, THE ONES THAT HAVE COME IN HAVE ESCROW THEIR PORTION. BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO. OH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. IT IS A HORRIBLE ROAD. THE QUESTION IS, DOES THAT SERVE THE CITY OF SACHSE BY REPLACING THAT AND UPGRADING THAT, OR DOES THAT HELP SOMEBODY ELSE? IT'S TALK ABOUT DRIVING DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT. WHICH IS SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO FINISH THAT BUILDING AND USE IT. RIGHT. BUT THEN THERE'S THE OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE THERE AS WELL. IF SOMEBODY'S GOT TO COME IN AND REPLACE ALL OF THAT, THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO DEVELOP THAT. [00:35:05] BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A TRUE VALUE FOR GENERAL SACHSE TO DEVELOP SOMETHING ON THE VERY FRINGE. A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS EXISTS. SO TO HAVE ALMOST $20 MILLION GOING TOWARDS THAT WHEN WE DON'T SEE AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WANTS INSTANT GRATIFICATION. YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I MEAN, THE ROAD IS BAD. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S IT'S TERRIBLE. BUT I FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE, I DON'T SEE IT WITH THIS PROJECT. BUT THEN I MEAN, BEING A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, PEOPLE COULD SAY THAT ABOUT THE STATION WHEN THEY STARTED THE STATION PROJECT AND THEY CHOSE TO PUT THE TOWER AND EVERYTHING THEY DID THERE. SO I'M NOT SAYING YES, I'M JUST SAYING I'M BEING A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE. I DO SEE VALUE THAT IT RUNS ALONG BUSH. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S KIND OF A DESIRABLE AREA ANYWAY. AND SO TO TO ME. I THINK THERE IS VALUE IN DEVELOPING THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. NOBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO COME IN AND HAVE TO REDO THE WHOLE ROAD IF THEY'RE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OVER HERE. RIGHT. SO THIS ONE FOR ME, I THINK WAS IT WAS CERTAINLY HIGHER THAN WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY ON MY, ON MY LIST OF LIKE, WHERE I THINK THINGS FALL. BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY. WHAT OTHER FUNDS LOCATIONS CAN BE USED TO DO THIS? THINKING OF MDD TOURS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT CAN BE USED FOR THIS? THERE ISN'T. SO THERE MAY BE SOME TOURS FUNDING. WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND I DON'T KNOW, JUST SO AGAIN, WE COLLECTED THE ESCROW. DEPENDING ON THE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT, WHETHER THE IMPACT FEES WERE COLLECTED OR NOT. RIGHT. WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THAT. BUT YEAH, AS FAR AS ANOTHER FUNDING MECHANISM, I DON'T HAVE ONE. IT'S GOING TO BE CITY OR EDC THEN IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. CORRECT. WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPER WANTS TO COME IN? YES, I AM. I'M ALONG YOUR LINES. I KIND OF I KIND OF STRUGGLE WITH IT BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS. SO I DID EDC HANDLE EVERYTHING IN THE STATION? NO. NO. OKAY. ON THIS ONE, IS THERE A WAY TO SAY WE WANT TO GO FROM MILES ROAD TO THE LIMITS OF THE CHURCH? IS THERE A WAY TO SAY THAT'S THE PORTION WE WANT TO DO? AND THEN AS THOSE OTHER PIECES DEVELOP, THEY PICK UP THE REMAINING PART. YEAH, WE AGAIN, WE CAN, WE CAN SAY THAT YES. FROM US AS A BODY HERE, WE COULD TELL THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEY'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA. BUT WHAT WE SAY IS WE WOULD WE SAY THIS AMOUNT IS WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER FOR THIS PROJECT. CORRECT? YES. CORRECT. AND WITH THE INTENTION THAT BECAUSE BECAUSE WE'LL PRESENT TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, WE THINK $5 MILLION FOR THIS BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET TO THIS POINT. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS. AND THEN COUNCIL THEN SAYS, ALL RIGHT, GREAT. WE'LL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND SEE WHAT SEE WHAT THEY THINK. BUT YEAH, BUT SAY WE SPEND 5 MILLION TO DO A PORTION OF IT. BY THE TIME IT'S DEVELOPED, IT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE REDONE. SO I JUST DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF IT AS AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, IF PEOPLE WERE BIDDING AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAD PLANS. SURE. BUT AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THEY DON'T. BUT THE POINT IS, IS IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING FOR TO HELP, THAT IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN. AND SO YOU GOT TO DO A LITTLE BIT. BUT BY THE TIME I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK BY THE TIME, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, THERE WOULD BE INTEREST. WE'D HAVE TO REDO THE ROAD ANYWAY, EVEN THE PORTION WE PAID FOR. BOTH VALID POINTS. YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S ALSO LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. PROBABLY WE NEED LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE AGAIN, THE SAME WAY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO LANES INSTEAD OF ONE LANE. THE FOUR LANE ROAD, DEPENDING UPON HOW MUCH IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME. HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE TURNABOUT THERE. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S JUST A IT'S IT'S A DESIGN LOOK. SO THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A TURNABOUT. CORRECT. I GET THAT, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE ROAD THAT GOES FROM THERE OVER TO I GUESS THAT'S MERRITT. THIS COST IS INCLUDING PURCHASING RIGHT OF WAY AND LAND FROM THESE PEOPLE AS PART OF IT. CORRECT. AND MAKING SURE THAT THESE LANDOWNERS ARE ON BOARD WITH IT AND THEY WANT IT, WHICH I CAN UNDERSTAND. THEY SAY, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT, BECAUSE NOW I CAN DEVELOP IT EASIER. BUT THAT'S ALSO PART OF THIS. AND NOT KNOWING WHETHER DEVELOPERS ARE ON BOARD WITH THAT OR NOT. RIGHT. IS THAT SAYING THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY. NO WE DON'T. WE DON'T. [00:40:06] WHY WAS THIS ONE RECOMMENDED? BECAUSE IT CAME FROM SOME SOMEWHERE. WHY WAS THIS WHEN WE RECOMMENDED THAT? BECAUSE THERE IS SOME DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT AREA. OKAY. AND WE'VE COLLECTED SOME ESCROW FOR IT. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO MATCH THOSE ESCROWS. AND SO IF WE TRULY WANTED TO FIX THE ROAD, WE'D HAVE TO AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO GET THE MONEY TO, OTHERWISE, THE ESCROW IS JUST SIT THERE IN PERPETUITY UNTIL SOMETHING UNTIL WE DECIDE TO BRING MORE OR DEVELOPERS BRING ENOUGH TO SAY, YEP, I'M WILLING TO DO THIS, SO I'M GOING TO CORRECT. OKAY. SO DO THEY HAVE A TERMINATION DATE AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ORIGINAL. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE AGREEMENTS AGAIN. I'LL GO BACK AND CHECK ON THOSE AGREEMENTS. IT'S TEN YEARS ROUGHLY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'D BE GOOD TO CHECK IF YOU COULD CHECK THAT FOR US. JUST THAT I STILL LEAN WAY, WAY TO THIS SIDE FOR. YEAH, I STILL LEAN WAY TO THAT SIDE, BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE THAT COULD FACTOR IN. WAIT A MINUTE. HOW MUCH ARE WE LOSING IN ESCROW IF WE WAIT TOO LONG? JUST. JUST TO KNOW SO THAT WE CAN. AND IF IT IS TEN YEARS, YOU COULD DO ANOTHER 1 IN 5 YEARS. AND THEN MAYBE THIS ONE'S THE THIS IS A CANDIDATE THEN. BUT AGAIN, LIKE THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS, RIGHT? LIKE WE CAN. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK MY HOPE IS WHAT THE REASON THAT COUNCIL HAS THIS YEAR, JUST SO WE CAN ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS AND WE CAN DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND HOPEFULLY KNOW, KNOW AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE'RE MAKING A TRULY INFORMED DECISION. SO I WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT TOO. SO THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PLEASANT VALLEY FOR THE MOMENT? I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU LOOK SCARED. WELL, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE FIFTH STREET DISTRICT, I KNOW WE'RE WE'RE STARTING TO GET GOING ON THAT, BUT WAS THAT IN 2018, 2019 THAT THAT WAS EVEN DISCUSSED? SO IS EVERY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, IS IT ALL THAT LENGTHY OR WHAT'S WHAT'S THE AVERAGE TIME FRAME. IF WE WERE TO START TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND ANSWER THIS ONE, IT VARIES. IN MY SHORT EXPERIENCE IT VARIES TREMENDOUSLY. THERE ARE SOME THAT MOVE REALLY QUICK, OTHERS THAT IT'S FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ANSWER IT MORE. I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WHAT I MEAN. FOR ME, MY EXPERIENCE BEING ON THE EDC BOARD AND JUST BEING HERE AT THE CITY TALKING ABOUT THE FIFTH STREET DISTRICT IS SPECIFICALLY BASED ON THE VISION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS FOR THAT AREA. I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE, NOT JUST TRYING TO PUT ANYTHING THERE, BUT A SPECIFIC AMOUNT. UNLIKE EVEN THOUGH I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE STATION STARTED, HOW THE STATION, YOU KNOW, BLEW UP AND WAS DEVELOPED AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS AND BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT'S TAKEN A BIT LONGER THAN AND THE LOCATION TO AS OPPOSED TO WHO WANTS TO COME IN. RIGHT. SO YEAH, BUT I THINK THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE FIFTH STREET DISTRICT, RIGHT. IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. RIGHT. AND SO DO YOU WANT TO BUILD THE ROAD AHEAD OF THE DEVELOPMENT, OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN AND THEN BUILD THE ROAD? I MEAN, THAT'S THE QUESTION, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT MAKING WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. THANK GOODNESS. BUT I I'M PRETTY CLOSE ON THIS SIDE. BUT I WANT TO GET THAT INFORMATION, SUSAN FIRMLY DECIDED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE ALL THE MAJOR ROAD THINGS, CORRECT? YES. YES. LET'S THEN LET'S GO TO I THINK LET'S GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ROADS AND STUFF. THE LAST BOND WE DID $5 MILLION WORTH. WE DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. IS THAT. NO. WE DID. WHAT WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT EIGHT PROJECTS. CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT LIKE, WHAT DO WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET FOR ROADS EVERY YEAR? JUST GENERALLY. SO TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, I BELIEVE IT WAS TEN PROJECTS IN 2021 FOR THE 5 MILLION. AND SORRY. WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION. WHAT ARE THEY BUDGET FOR? YEAH. WHAT DO WE USUALLY BUDGET EVERY YEAR? FOR JUST STREET MAINTENANCE? I'LL DEFER TO COREY. I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? STREET STREET MAINTENANCE BUDGET. EACH YEAR THAT YOU HAVE EACH YEAR IS 450,000. OKAY. THAT'S INCLUDING SIDEWALKS AND SIDEWALKS IS 250,000. OKAY. OKAY. AND AGAIN, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PROPOSITION, THE WAY WE WORDED IT FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD PACKAGE, I CAN FIX ANYTHING. STREET RELATED SIDEWALKS, DRAINAGE CURB AND GUTTER ADA RAMPS. RIGHT. SO WE WANTED TO LEAVE IT BROAD IN GENERAL JUST FOR THAT. BECAUSE IF WE GET IF WE GET A PROJECT AND HAVE TO FIX SIDEWALKS AND YOU SAID ONLY ROADS, THEN I CAN'T USE THE BOND FUNDS FOR SIDEWALKS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DID IT IN GENERAL TERMS. [00:45:02] BUT IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING WITH THIS 14.5. WHATEVER NUMBER YOU GUYS DECIDE IS WHAT IS WHAT WE'LL END UP SPENDING, RIGHT? AND AGAIN, WE'LL GO BACK THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE PACER SCORES EVERY YEAR. AND AGAIN, LIKE WE'LL LOOK AT ANTHONY ROAD AS WELL AND SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE TO ADD FOR THAT BUDGET YEAR. BUT I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT MR. NESBITT SAID ABOUT THIS IS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL DURING THE CIP, AND IT IS APPROVED ON WHAT PROJECTS GETS PUT IN. SO YOU WOULD LIKE YOU MENTIONED YOU WOULDN'T BE PICKING THE PROJECTS NECESSARILY HERE MORE SO JUST PICKING THE BUDGET. SO I DID HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. THE GENTLEMAN DID ASK A QUESTION AND JUST ANSWER HIS QUESTION. WHY ISN'T THAT ONE STREET ON THIS LIST? CAN YOU ELABORATE HOW THOSE STREETS GET PUT ON THIS LIST JUST FOR HIS INFORMATION. SO AGAIN, I THINK YOU HAVE THE PACER MAPS ON THERE. SO AGAIN, EVERY YEAR WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE GO THROUGH THIS EVALUATION PROCESS. RIGHT. AND SO YEAH, ANTHONY'S ON THERE. SO FOR RIGHT. AND SO THAT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED MORE, BUT WE GO THROUGH AND TRY TO SPREAD ENOUGH OF THE, OF THE PROJECTS OUT. SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, TRY TO HIT THE WORST FIRST IS KIND OF OUR MENTALITY. BUT AGAIN, WE REALLY KIND OF LIVE AND DIE BY THESE PACER SCORES EVERY YEAR. EVERY OTHER YEAR WE DO A STREET AND ALLEY REVIEW. SO ONE YEAR WE'LL DO ALLEYS, ONE YEAR WE'LL DO STREETS. AND SO THAT'S A THAT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS. AND AGAIN, WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY MAY CHANGE, RIGHT? AND SO IF WE HAVE A REALLY HOT SUMMER, LIKE WE DID THIS ONE, THOSE NUMBERS MAY CHANGE DRAMATICALLY, RIGHT? AND SO WE'LL REEVALUATE THAT EVERY YEAR AND THEN KIND OF AND TAILOR THOSE NUMBERS TO DO THAT. BUT YEAH, I THINK BASED ON THIS, YEAH, WE SHOULD LOOK AT ANTHONY. OKAY. CAN YOU ALSO ELABORATE ON JUST FOR THEIR KNOWLEDGE AS FAR AS THE STREET MAINTENANCE FOR YOUR FUNDING OR FOR THE SEPARATE. SO WE ALSO HAVE A STREET MAINTENANCE TAX. THAT'S A PORTION OF THE OVERALL BUDGET THAT WE GET TO DO MAINTENANCE PROJECTS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S NOT A REMOVE AND REPLACE. THAT'S LIKE AN ASPHALT OVERLAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND SO LIKE YOU SEE THE ONES IN THE RED ON THIS MAP, BIG VALLEY CARTWRIGHT. THOSE ONES ARE ACTUALLY IN THE CURRENT CIP AS AN OVERLAY PROJECT FOR THIS NEXT YEAR. SO AGAIN, WE TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE BIG STUFF WITH STREET MAINTENANCE, TAX MAINTENANCE FUNDS YOU KNOW, TAX, YOU KNOW, TAX NOTES OR WHATEVER. BUT TO MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT, WE TRY TO DO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PACKAGE EVERY FIVE YEARS. OKAY. I DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION. SO WHEN YOU DO PICK OR DO THE SURVEY AND THEN PICK BASED ON THE GRADING, DO YOU NOW POSSIBLY TRY TO SCATTER THE PROJECT, GOING TO TOUCH DIFFERENT STREETS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN OR. SO WE DO. AND WHEN WE DID LAST TIME WAS WE DID AN ANNUAL CONCRETE CONTRACT AND WE SELECTED TWO CONTRACTORS BASED ON THEIR BID TABS. AND THEN WE KIND OF SAID IT WAS $5 MILLION. YOU GET TWO AND A HALF AND YOU GET TWO AND A HALF. HERE'S THE LIST OF PROJECTS. AND SO WE DON'T WORK IN THE SAME AREA, BUT ALSO WE HAVE IT IN OUR CONTRACTS THAT THE CONTRACTOR CAN'T HE CAN'T RIP OUT THE ENTIRE ALLEY. RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE TO DO THINGS IN PHASES, RIGHT? SO THEY CAN IT'S MORE TECHNICAL STUFF, BUT WE TRY TO LIMIT THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS FOR THAT TYPE OF STUFF. SO FOR THE RATINGS, SO I KNOW WE DON'T NAME SPECIFIC STREETS, BUT SAY JUST BALLPARK, SAY WE GIVE $8 MILLION. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT WE ONLY WANT THE FOURS AND FIVES TO BE ADDRESSED? YEAH, CERTAINLY THAT'S A COUNCIL POLICY DECISION. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S BASED ON SO WE MAKE THOSE SIMILAR RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? LIKE I'M NOT GOING TO FIX ALL THE ONES AND TWOS, RIGHT. ALTHOUGH THERE IS SOME VALUE IN FIXING SOME OF THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T FAILED COMPLETELY WITH SOME MAINTENANCE AND THEN EXTEND THAT LIFE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BALANCING ACT. BUT YEAH, WE GENERALLY TRY TO HIT THE THREES AND FOURS FIRST. FOR SURE. OKAY. BECAUSE MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS AND WHY I'D WANT THAT IN THERE IF WE CAN, IS BECAUSE WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY WAS MAINLY ONES AND TWOS. SO I MEAN, I DON'T FULLY TRUST ANYONE ELSE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO YEAH, IF THERE'S A WAY TO PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE, THAT'D BE THAT'D BE GREAT. WE DON'T WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT TO COUNCIL. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WHAT WE WANT. SO MAKE THAT THEIR POLICY PEOPLE. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? FOR ME, I THINK DOING THIS IMPACTS MORE OF OUR CITIZENS IN A BROAD SPACE. SO IF I'M GOING TO, YOU KNOW, EILEEN, TO BE FUNDING A LOT, A LARGE MAJORITY OF THIS, BECAUSE THE IMPACT THAT IT CAN HAVE WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS A NUMBER OF STREETS THAT ARE HERE AND, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE CITIZENS THEMSELVES, SAY, THANK GOODNESS FOR ROAD FINALLY GOT FIXED. SO WHEN WE MET LAST, WE ASKED TO HAVE THIS LIST SHOWN WITH THE PFIZER OR THE PACER RATINGS. DO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF WHAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER FOURS THAT ARE ON THE LIST? AND THEN HOW MUCH ARE THE NUMBER THREES ARE OR WE DO LIKE I CAN GET YOU THE TOTALS. I SORRY, I CAN GET YOU THE TOTALS I WILL I DO HAVE THEM ON HERE. [00:50:06] FOR EXAMPLE, SO WE HAVE ALL THAT DATA IN A SPREADSHEET AND WE CAN, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY SORT BY THAT. AND THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE DO, RIGHT. WE'LL, WE'LL SORT THAT BASED ON, ON THE PACER RATING. BUT THEN ALSO WE KIND OF BACK OUT AND LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE CITY AS AN ENTIRETY. SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING, YOU KNOW, $5 MILLION IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE PROBABLY COULD. AND SO TRYING TO, SO LONG AS IT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S FINE, I DON'T CARE. I HAVE SEVEN MORE PEOPLE THAT. YEAH, RIGHT. BUT, BUT I SEE, I SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS GET US HERE'S THE TOTAL OF FOURS AND FIVES IS $7 MILLION ESTIMATED COST. ONE, ADD ANOTHER 2 MILLION ON TOP OF IT AND SAY THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR THE FOR THE ROAD NUMBER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SOME, SOME KIND OF EQUATION AND THEN PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR POLICY IS ON. I THINK I HAVE THAT IN MY CIP PRESENTATION FROM THE SUMMER. OKAY. WE CAN GO BACK AND WE CAN SEND THAT. WE CAN GET ALL THAT INFORMATION. THAT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE THAT JUST HELPS SOLIDIFY MORE OF A. WE CAN. ANOTHER THING I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT COREY MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS A SNAPSHOT. LIKE THESE THINGS CHANGE YEARLY. AND SO SOME OF THESE TWOS OR THREES THE NEXT YEAR. RIGHT. AND SO I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT WITH LIKE WHETHER WE HAVE ANOTHER ICE STORM OR WE HAVE ANOTHER REALLY HOT SUMMER. IT REALLY DEPENDS. SO WE DO THEM EVERY OTHER YEAR JUST TO JUST TO KEEP A CURRENT INVENTORY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE ALL THE TIME. RIGHT. AND SO IGNORE THE JACKHAMMER OUTSIDE MY HOUSE. I'M JUST MAKING THE NUMBERS WORK. AND SO THAT'S SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE WITH THE RESIDENTS ALSO, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOUR STREET SHOWS IT TO BE A ONE. AND THERE'S ONE RED SPOT, RIGHT? WELL, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT ONE RED SPOT WITH WITH JUST MAINTENANCE OPERATION. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT DOESN'T MAKE THE LIST. BUT LIKE, IF YOU LOOK OUT YOUR WINDOW, LIKE THERE'S A HOLE, RIGHT? AND SO, RIGHT, AGAIN, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ART TO THIS MORE THAN TRY TO BE AS MUCH SCIENCE BASED AS POSSIBLE. BUT I THINK GETTING THE NUMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATE VALUE BASED ON THE PROJECTS THAT ARE HERE, HERE'S THE VALUE OF THE FOURS AND THE FIVES TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO JUST SAY WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WE'LL GIVE IT, WE RECOMMEND IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHERE WE'D LAND. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PACKAGES ARE HONESTLY WELL RECEIVED, RIGHT? WE DID $3 MILLION OF ROADS IN A YEAR AND A HALF. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT IMPACTS PEOPLE DIRECTLY. WELL, IF YOU DO IT ON A REGULAR BASIS, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT OUR CITY HAS MATURED OVER THE YEARS, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF ROADS, SALMON. AND SO THAT ARE OLD, OLD, OLD OTHER ONES. AND I JOKE ABOUT MY. MY NEIGHBOR IS NEWER, SO I KNOW WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT ONE, I GET THAT. AND BUT YOU CAN MOVE THROUGHOUT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND JUST OVER TIME WHERE YOU'RE SLOWLY. VERSUS EVERYTHING'S. YEAH. AND I THINK IN THE 2021 BOND, WE HAD RECOMMENDED LIKE $600,000 A YEAR FOR TEN YEARS. AND SO WE, THE COUNCIL ACCELERATED ALL THAT GAVE ME ALL $5 MILLION AT THE BEGINNING. AND SO WE WENT AND SPENT $3 MILLION LAST TWO YEARS. SO. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER, I GUESS PACER RATINGS TELL US THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS SAY, HEY, HERE'S A ROAD THAT WE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MAY NOT AFFECT THE SCORE FOR ANY REASON. THE. THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING I WAS IN, I SAT AND LISTENED TO. THERE WAS THE ROAD THAT GOES BACK THERE BY THE COMMERCIAL. THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AREA. IS THAT ONE REPRESENTED IN HERE AT ALL? SO THAT'S PART OF THE 2021 BOND INDUSTRIAL DRIVE. OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT ON ANY OF THIS. WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST BECAUSE THAT'S BEING DONE WITH THE OTHER ONE. IT'S BEING DONE. CURRENTLY IT'S IN DESIGN AS PART OF THE 2021 BOND. OKAY. THAT'LL MAKE A FEW PEOPLE HAPPY. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. COMMENTS. I THINK THAT ENDS OUR STREETS FOR THE MOMENT. I THINK WE SAID ARE WE GOING TO PARK NEXT? OKAY. SO HERE'S. MAKE SURE WE LEVEL SET THAT. WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING THIS, RIGHT? SO YOU LOOK AT OPTION ONE. REPLACE EXISTING AMENITIES. THAT IS REPLACING PLAYGROUND. THE SHADE. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT NEAR THE PROPOSED CONCESSION FACILITY. THAT'S WHERE THE PLAYGROUND IS NOW, IS IT NOT? YES. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE OUR EVENTS. THAT'S WHERE THE NEW PLAYGROUND IS WOULD BE IS PROPOSING. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ALL SCHEMATIC DESIGN. THIS IS A CHANGE. OKAY. BUT THAT'S THE IDEA. AND SO OPTION ONE DOES NOTHING WITH [00:55:01] THE FIELDS IN TERMS OF MATERIAL OTHER THAN JUST SOME DUGOUTS AND FENCES AND SO FORTH. OPTION TWO IS. STILL NOT IN FIELD. EVERYTHING IN. YES. ONE ONE NEW FULL SIZE. OKAY. OKAY. THAT PROPOSED THAT LIGHTER GREEN FIELD RIGHT THERE. THE QUESTION THAT COMES TO ME IS ANYONE PARKS BOARD. OH, PERFECT. OKAY. IS WHEN IS THE. I TAKE THIS BECAUSE EDC JUST DID A STRATEGIC PLAN THE CITY JUST DID ONE. HAS PARKS DONE ONE RECENTLY? HAVE I, HAVE I MISSED? I DON'T PAY ENOUGH ATTENTION SO I APOLOGIZE. WE HAVE NOT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THAT HEAVILY IN THE MASTER PLAN. OKAY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WITH YOU GUYS LOOKING AT MORE STRATEGIC PLAN AND MASTER PLAN FOR ALL THE PARKS. AND WE PLAN ON DOING THAT. OKAY. SECOND QUESTION. WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS? AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS JUST IN EDC, THE THINGS THAT CAN FUND PARKS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST BOND DOLLARS. PARKS CAN GET MONEY FROM OTHER PLACES. WHERE ELSE CAN PARKS GET MONEY? THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. OKAY. AGAIN, THAT'S A POLICY DIRECTION. IT IS. BUT WHAT? WHAT, BECAUSE LIKE YOU CAN'T USE EDC MONEY FOR CERTAIN THINGS, RIGHT? THERE'S OTHER THINGS YOU CAN USE IT FOR. SO IN PARKS, IS THERE A ARE THERE CERTAIN SOURCES WHERE I WANT TO SAY I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN, I WANT TO SAY MDD. OKAY, CORRECT. BUT AGAIN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE BOARD AND THEN THE COUNCIL ULTIMATELY DECIDES I WOULD WANT TO GO, I COULD GO ON AND SAY ANY OF THESE PROJECTS. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO FUND ANY OF THESE PROJECTS. IT JUST, IT'S ULTIMATELY A COUNCIL DECISION. RIGHT. BUT I WANT TO GET BACK. SO YES, THERE IS A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS THAT'S CURRENTLY OUT FOR A NEW PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT ENDS THIS WEEK. I BELIEVE THE LAST PARKS MASTER PLAN UPDATE WAS IN 2010. I COULD BE MISTAKEN, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS 2010. SO WE'RE IN IN A BIG NEED FOR AN UPDATE IN THAT PLAN. IT THEY ARE CURRENTLY ALREADY GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND GETTING AN UPDATE TO THAT PLAN. OKAY. SO PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ON, ON THIS, ON THIS ITEM, ON THIS ONE, WAS THERE ANYTHING LIKE SAFETY OR ACCESSIBILITY, LIKE ISSUES THAT WE'RE REPAIRING, OR IS IT JUST IMPROVEMENTS? NO, IT'S JUST IMPROVEMENTS IN AMENITIES, QUALITY OF LIFE. OKAY. YEP. GO AHEAD. PLEASE. I WANT THIS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO IT. I THINK THIS NEEDS TO LEAN ON TO THE MASTER PLAN. MAYBE SOME EDC LIKE WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME. IF WE'RE GOING TO HOST TOURNAMENTS, PAY ATTENTION TO THE FIELDS. BUT I AT FOLLOW AND I WATCHED THE DRONE SHOW FROM THE BLEACHERS AT ONE OF THE FIELDS. AND I MEAN, THE FIELDS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN QUESTIONABLE, BUT AS FAR AS FENCING IN THE DUGOUT, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I THINK WE'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT TO THIS PARK AND MAYBE IT NEEDS SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FUTURE. BUT AS FAR AS THIS BOND, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON OTHER THINGS. SO I DID WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS ONE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT'S DONE ON THIS PARK HERE WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. WE SHOULD TAKE ACCOUNT OF HOW MUCH THAT IS BEFORE WE THROW MORE MONEY AT IT. OTHER THOUGHTS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MASTER PLAN COMING RIGHT? SO THAT COULD CHANGE WHAT THE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE. IT MAKES IT ALMOST CART BEFORE THE HORSE. YES. IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO FIX IT BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE EVEN LOOKING AT. RIGHT? SO THOUGHTS FROM THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM. NO, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT IT. I'M LIKE, WHY ARE WE ADDING ANOTHER PLAYGROUND WHEN THERE'S LIKE THE PLAYGROUND THAT GOT BUILT WITH THE STATION AND IT'S BEEN FULLY BUILT OUT. SO WHY ANOTHER ONE JUST RIGHT THERE? YEAH, THE SAME THING WITH ME. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT I RECENTLY WITH MY KIDS BEEN THERE, I DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEM. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE PLAYING WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM. WE EVEN USE THE WASHROOM. LIKE I SEE PRETTY MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT NOTHING NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED RIGHT NOW. WE JUST SOLVED ONE OF OUR PROBLEMS NEXT. I AGREE, I THINK LET THEM DO THEIR MASTER PLAN. I'M GLAD THEY'RE DOING IT. I THINK IT'S GREAT. AND BECAUSE THAT'LL BE NOT JUST THIS PART, BUT ANY OTHER PARKS IN THE CITY. RIGHT. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT NEED LIKE SALMON PARK NEEDS SOME HELP, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF RESIDENTS. YES, THIS ONE DRAWS THE MOST, BUT THE OTHER PARKS NEED ATTENTION AS WELL. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS. OKAY. I'M I'M GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY. IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS. AND THAT THAT MAKES AT LEAST ONE SMALL PART OF THIS DECISION EASIER. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ONE'S A HARDER ONE. THIS IS WHERE WE GET TO. IS THAT A HARD ONE OR IS IT A YES? THIS IS THE EASY ONE FOR ME. [01:00:02] ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, THESE ARE THE EASY THESE ARE THE EASY ONES. YES. OKAY, SO LET'S START FIRE STATION ONE JUST FOR A MINUTE. EVERYBODY THAT WANTED A TOUR THAT I THINK ALMOST BASICALLY ALL OF US WERE SERVED A TOUR AND SEE IT. TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS, CHRIS, JUST WHERE YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE AT ON THIS. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO DO IT. I MEAN, IT'S THERE ARE TWO BETWEEN THE HVAC SYSTEM AND THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE UPGRADED IN THERE. AND I MEAN, THEY'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. IT WAS NOT MADE FOR WOMEN TO BE IN THE FIRE STATION. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ON THIS LIST THAT I WAS LIKE, THESE ARE LIKE, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE IN OUR CITY TO HAVE THESE THINGS FIXED. OKAY. I MEAN, FOR THE CITY'S FIRST RESPONDERS AND US WANTING FIRST RESPONDERS IN OUR CITY A UPGRADING FIRE STATION ONE IS A PRIORITY FOR ME. AND I HOPE, I MEAN, NOBODY SHOULD DISAGREE WITH IT. DANIELLE, YOU MADE A COMMENT EARLIER TALKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES. IT'S STUFF THAT YOU DO HERE THAT HELPS WITH RESPONSE TIME. I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE, LIKE ALL THREE OF THE BUILDINGS NEED COMMERCIAL HVAC. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING FOR ALL THREE, EVEN THOUGH I WANT TO, I WISH WE COULD. IN MY OPINION, YEAH. FIRE STATION ONE WAS BETTER OFF THAN FIRE STATION TWO. AGREED. BUT THE HVAC IS NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP. THE KITCHEN COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AND THE BEDROOMS, THEY COULD USE LIGHT UPDATING. BUT LIKE I WAS TELLING THE FIRE CHIEF, A LOT OF THIS STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. IT'S ACROSS THE WHOLE BUILDING. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PLASTIC LAMINATE CABINETS OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ELSE, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU NEED A LOT OF IT. AND THAT'LL HELP ON THE LABOR COST AS WELL. SO AND THE BIGGEST THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IS THIS WORKOUT FACILITY. I MEAN, I WOULDN'T YOU COULDN'T PAY ME TO WORK OUT IN THERE. I MEAN IT'S HORRIBLE. SO THAT'S IF THEY'RE DOING THAT WHILE THEY'RE ON THEIR SHIFT TOO. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM TOP OF THE LINE STUFF. AND I KNOW WE TALKED TO SOMEBODY AT I DON'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS AT FIRE STATION TWO, THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE OFFICERS HAVE ALL THIS ROGUE LIKE CROSSFIT EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR IN THEIR BAY. AND THE FIREFIGHTERS WOULD LIKE THAT TO A LOT OF THEM DO HATE WORKOUTS, A LOT OF THEM LIKE THAT. AND I THINK WE SHOULD PROVIDE THE SAME EQUIPMENT THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS HAVE AS WELL TO GIVE THEM MORE FLEXIBILITY AND MORE VERSATILITY IN THEIR WORKOUTS, RIGHT? YES. THEY REALLY NEED IT. LIKE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEIR LIGHT SYSTEM, WHAT THEY EXPLAIN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE TURNED ON FOR EVERY ROOM. AND WE NEED THAT THERE. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE PEACE AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE THE COMFORT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY ARE HELPING US, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO WAKE UP A WHOLE TEAM. SO. ANOTHER MAJOR THING WITH BOTH FIRE STATIONS AND THE POLICE STATION WAS THE CAPABILITY TO DRY THE EQUIPMENT IN THE BODY ARMOR, DRIVING, DRYING THAT ONE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT VENTILATION ABILITY TO DRY OFF EQUIPMENT. THAT WAS. YEAH. WELL, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD ASKED LOGAN. WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING AND HAVING TO REPLACE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET IT DRY BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE WRONG LOCKERS IN THERE. SO IF WE CAN FIX THAT, LIKE HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE GOING TO WIND UP SAVING? LIKE, YES, IT'S MORE OF AN UPFRONT COST, RIGHT? BUT OVER TIME, I THINK THAT ONE IS GOING TO WIND UP PUTTING US IN A BETTER LONG TERM. AND SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION THEY PUT THAT THEY PUT THAT EQUIPMENT SPEAKING FOR PD. THEY PUT THAT ON A, ON A SCHEDULE AND THEY JUST REPLACED THAT OVER. HOWEVER MANY ARE IN DISREPAIR AND THEY NEED TO REPAIR. SO THEY JUST REPLACED THEM. IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY JUST KIND OF DEAL WITH. IT'S MORE OF A QUALITY OF HOW THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB RATHER THAN WE'RE SPENDING SO MUCH MORE MONEY TO FIX THESE VESTS OR THEIR BODY ARMOR. YEAH, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. TRAVIS. SO MY CONCERN THAT I WAS HEARING FROM THE FIRE STATION SPECIFIC, I THINK IT WAS NUMBER TWO WAS HOW THEY WERE HAVING TO STEAL PARTS FROM OTHER PIECES OF THE OTHER, OTHER EQUIPMENT UP TOP THAT WASN'T WORKING, BUT THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK AND WORK IT. AND THAT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE A CATASTROPHE AFTER A WHILE. I MEAN, IF IT'S NOT WORKING NOW, OR ONLY ONE OUT OF 4 OR 6 IS WORKING, IT'S GOT. YOU CAN'T PUT IT OFF FOREVER. WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE HEATING AT FIRE STATION TWO. YEAH. THOSE ARE AT END OF LIFE CYCLE AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM THAT ARE COMPLETELY OFFLINE THAT WE'RE NOW USING PARTS TO REPAIR THE EXISTING ONES THAT STILL WORK. [01:05:03] YEAH. AND THEN STORAGE AT ALL THREE OF THE FACILITIES IS A MUST. I MEAN, NONE OF THEM HAD ANY STORAGE. SEE, THAT'S THE ROOM WHERE YOU COULD SEE THE CROSSFIT STUFF THERE IF THEY WEREN'T STORING THINGS THERE. WHAT IS THE TOTAL ASK FOR EACH OF THE. DO YOU HAVE THEM ALL TOGETHER OR. NO. SO IT'S A PRETTY LARGE RANGE. YES IT IS. AND SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HARD COSTS, SOFT COSTS, LEAN CONSERVATIVE. HOW MUCH YOU WOULD WANT TO BUDGET BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SEE VERSUS THEIR NEEDS. RIGHT. SO IT REALLY JUST KIND OF DEPENDS. THIS IS BASED OFF OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, BOTH THE LEAN AND CONSERVATIVE OPTION ALONG WITH SOME FULL REPLACEMENTS OF, YOU KNOW, TYPES OF EQUIPMENT SUCH AS HVAC, HEATING THE EXHAUST SYSTEM, FOR EXAMPLE, AT FIRE STATION TWO, THEY DOING AN ANALYSIS ON THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO IT REALLY KIND OF DEPENDS ON YOUR GUYS'S DIRECTION, ON WHAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO BUDGET. AND REMEMBER THAT THIS COULD BE BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THE THREE FACILITIES. IT COULD BE BUNDLED INTO ONE PROPOSITION SIMILAR TO HOW THE STREETS WERE DONE. AND YOU COULD GUYS SET THAT BUDGET. A QUESTION ABOUT JUST THE BOND PART. IF IT GOES BEFORE VOTERS AND THE VOTERS SEE ONLY ONE AND THEY SEE A LARGE NUMBER, THEY SAY, I DON'T WANT TO PAY THAT MUCH, AND THEY STRIKE IT DOWN AND YOU STRIKE OUT ALL THREE. YOU DO. WOULD IT NOT BE MORE PRUDENT THAN TO BREAK THEM APART? BUT THEN THE THING OF BREAKING IT APART IS PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN DIFFERENT, LIKE IF YOU LIVE CLOSE TO THE FIRE STATION ONE VERSUS TWO, YOU COULD SAY NO TO ONE AND YES TO TWO, YOU KNOW, VICE VERSA. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE EDUCATION COMES IN. BECAUSE IF ONE OF THEM COMES IN UNDER BUDGET, YOU CAN'T TAKE THEIR EXTRA MONEY AND APPLY IT TO THE OTHER ONE. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S THE HARD PART. BUT IF YOU SEE A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT FINANCES, YOU SEE THAT ONE BIG ONE, YOU SAY NO, AND THEN YOU'RE JUST DONE. AND IT'S LIKE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT FOR THREE YEARS. BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT RAISING THE TAX RATE, I THINK THAT WILL ALSO CARRY WEIGHT. I AGREE WITH YOU, TRAVIS. I THINK IF WE SEE THE TOTAL NUMBER 30, 35, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE FOR ALL THREE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FREAK OUT. AND LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT ON OUR TOUR, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS CAN SCHEDULE TOURS FOR THESE FACILITIES. SO I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THAT, BUT THEY CAN. IT JUST HAS TO BE SCHEDULED. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW BAD THIS WAS UNTIL I WAS THERE IN PERSON. SO IT'S I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO VOTE ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY AS WELL, BECAUSE UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN THERE AND SEEN THE ISSUES, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW. WELL REALLY MY QUESTION IS MORE OR LESS KIND OF TAILORED TOWARDS LOGAN. HOW WHAT IS THE BEST WAY WE SEE THAT THE VOTE BEING SUCCESSFUL? A LARGE, LARGER PIECE, A SMALLER PIECE. HOW DOES HOW WOULD IT COME ACROSS BEST TO THE VOTERS? IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE MESSAGING. I THINK, AS WHAT YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT, THE MESSAGING ON WHAT YOU GUYS PUT AS FAR AS THE FULL PACKAGE FOR THE BOND AND HOW THAT GETS SAID YOU KNOW, IN TO THE COMMUNITY, I THINK YOU CAN FIND SUCCESS BOTH WAYS. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THAT MESSAGING. YOU HAVE TO DECIDE YOU GUYS AS YOURSELF, WOULD YOU WANT THAT TO BE IN ONE PROPOSITION, BOND OR NOT BASED OFF OF? YES, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE PROJECT SAVINGS FROM OTHER AREAS AND BE ABLE TO USE THAT. OR ARE YOU SAYING YOU'D RATHER SET THE BUDGET FOR EACH FACILITY? IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS. BUT I THINK THE COMMUNICATION AND THE BOND MESSAGING IS THE KEY COMPONENT TO THAT. MY MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT BIG STICKER SHOCK. I MEAN, THE COMMERCIAL, JUST THE COMMERCIAL HVAC SYSTEM WAS A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT. THAT'S $1 MILLION. EASY. I GUESS THE ONLY THING YOU COULD MAYBE YOU COULD MAYBE SPLIT FIRE STATION TWO, BUT FIRE STATION ONE AND PUBLIC SAFETY, THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE IN THE SAME PLACE. SO THOSE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE IN ONE. REALLY. AND MAYBE SPLIT OFF FIRE STATION TWO. BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO. SO LET ME ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION. JUST AGAIN, YOU GUYS ARE. THIS GUY'S BRAIN IS WARPED. THIS IS MORE JUST YOUR PRIORITY JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF PEOPLE'S PRIORITIES. IF IT WAS, HEY, I'M GOING TO DO ALL THESE BUILDINGS, BUT I HAVE TO GIVE UP SACHSE ROAD. REGARDLESS OF WHAT WILEY SAYS. WHERE DO YOU LEAN? [01:10:02] I WOULD VOTE FOR THE BUILDINGS. OKAY. I VOTE FOR THE BUILDINGS. I MEAN, I'VE ALREADY GIVEN UP SACHSE ROAD ALREADY, SO WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP SOME ROADS TO MAKE SURE THIS GETS DONE IS WHAT KIND OF WHAT OUR VIEW IS. OKAY. THAT JUST HELPS AS WE GO INTO NEXT AND AS WE KEEP GOING I RAISED THE QUESTION AT OUR LAST MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF FINANCIALLY IT COULD BE DONE BULLDOZED TWO AND START OVER. IT FLOODS. IT SITS BELOW. IT SITS BELOW THE WATER. I WAS KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THAT. SO LIKE, UNLESS WE BUILD A MOAT AROUND IT. YEAH. WELL, IS I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT USE OF THAT MUCH MONEY. I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS THAT WERE GIVEN TO ME. YOU'RE TALKING 8 TO $12 MILLION TO REBUILD ONE. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING SMALL DOLLARS. BUT IS THAT BUT ISN'T THAT A DECISION FOR THEM TO MAKE BASED ON THE FUNDS THAT THEY'RE. DO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THEM? I DON'T THINK WE DO. BUT IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE SAY, HEY, WE THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU OUGHT TO DO. HERE'S THE MONEY TO DO IT. AND THAT'S AGAIN, COUNCIL THEN SAYS, BASED UPON WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, I'M JUST I'M MORE CURIOUS WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE AFTER THROWING IT OUT THERE. I CAN SEE I WAS WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, I WAS LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE COULD EXPAND THE FLOODING. THERE'S. THAT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE TO MITIGATE, BUT I THINK INSTEAD OF A TEARDOWN, WE'RE EVENTUALLY. IF WE DON'T ALREADY NEED A THIRD FIRE STATION, I'D RATHER SEE THE MONEY GO TOWARDS THAT. OKAY, YEAH, BECAUSE I DID ASK HIM ABOUT THAT. AND THAT'S NOT. BUT THEN. A THOUGHT, YEAH. BUT WHERE IS THE LAND AND WHERE IS THE LAND AND THE LOCATION IN CONJUNCTION TO THE SECOND FIRE STATION THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS? I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I JUST, I JUST THINK THE BONES ARE GOOD IN THIS BUILDING. THERE ARE MAJOR ISSUES LIKE THE FLOODING. IT'S THE MOST MAJOR ISSUE, BUT I THINK THE BONES ARE GOOD AND IT CAN BE REMODELED AND USABLE. I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE POINT OF TEARING IT DOWN. MAYBE EXPAND IT A LITTLE BECAUSE THAT LOT IS HUGE, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE I TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BUILD SOMETHING AND THEN STILL, YOU KNOW, WORK BACK AND FORTH AND FIGURE IT OUT. THEY'D HAVE A LOT MORE ROOM. THEY'D HAVE A BIG WORKOUT FACILITY IN THERE TOO. SO AND I SAW A POLICE OFFICER THERE TRAINING WHEN WE WERE THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY KIND OF UTILIZE EVERY BUILDING IF THEY WANT TO. SO BUT I THINK A TEARDOWN WOULD BE OVERKILL, IF YOU WILL. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OTHER THOUGHTS? I WILL LEAVE IT TO THE ARCHITECTURES TO FIGURE OUT. DEFINITELY NOT MY. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS A REALLY STRONG LEANING TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS BEING DONE. NO APPETITE FOR PARKS RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE WE'RE A LITTLE TOO FAR AHEAD OF OURSELVES WITH WITH PARKS. AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THAT ONE. YEAH. NOT QUITE AS MUCH TO WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING TO WOODBRIDGE PARKWAY JUST SO WE MAKE SURE THAT CAN BE. THERE ARE SOME AREAS. THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR THE JUST PUBLIC STREETS. JUST STREETS AND ALLEYS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD, I GUESS. NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT I SHOULD SAY ON THAT? YEAH. AS FAR AS YOUR YOUR WOODRIDGE, I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ROLLING THAT INTO THE. YEAH. ROLLING THAT. YES. ROLLING THAT IF WE DID THAT, ROLLING THAT IN. BUT THERE'S A LITTLE MAYBE THERE'S SOME APPETITE FOR SOME MONEY, BUT IT GETS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE LEANING IN THAT REGARD. THAT SECTION OF COUNTRY CLUB THAT GOES TO THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S NOT MUCH, NOT MUCH APPETITE THERE AT ALL FROM, FROM, FROM EVERYBODY AT THAT ONE. AND THEN OTHER THAN TO NOT LOSE ANY ESCROW THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BEEN SET ASIDE. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER PLEASANT VALLEY. THAT'S PLEASANT VALLEY. SO THEN THAT'S PLEASANT VALLEY. PLEASANT VALLEY. THERE'S NOT MUCH APPETITE FOR PLEASANT VALLEY, BUT WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE ESCROW BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE LOST THERE. WELL, I DO HAVE APPETITE FOR PLEASANT VALLEY. OKAY. I DO. SO. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO I GUESS. TO TRY TO GET US BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GUESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MEETING OTHER THAN WHAT'S SCHEDULED. YES. AT OUR NEXT AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT BLACKBURN BASED UPON WHAT COUNCIL POLICY SAID AS THEY CHANGED POLICY ON THAT. AND DECIDE, OKAY, DO WE SEE VALUE IN THAT BECAUSE TWO LANES IS 24 LANES IS 40. WE HAVE 55. SO THAT'S BUT THAT'S STILL AN ISSUE THAT'S OUT THERE. BUT YOU GO TO A FOUR LANE ROAD DOWN TO A TWO LANE ROAD ON BOTH SIDES. YOU'RE BOTTLENECKING EITHER WAY THAT WE'LL LET YOU TALK. I DON'T I TALK TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IN GARLAND THAT'S OVER THAT DISTRICT JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MURPHY ROAD. THERE IS NO MONEY IN GARLAND TO WIDEN IT, BEYOND MURPHY'S. JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS, JUST AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, THERE IS NO MONEY THERE. [01:15:03] I THINK THEY SAID TO WIDEN. IF YOU FOLLOW, I GUESS IT'S CAMPBELL ROAD ALONG FROM THE TURNABOUT TOWARDS NORTH STAR. I THINK THEY SAID IT'S 20 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE THE BRIDGE THEY GOT TO DO. SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. SO JUST TO BE AWARE, IN TALKING TO A COUNCIL MEMBER OVER THERE, IT'S LIKE, YEAH, THERE'S NOT. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT COUNCIL SAYS. BUT I GUESS WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR EVERYBODY HERE, TAKE THE $55 MILLION AS YOUR BUDGET. BASED UPON DISCUSSION HERE TONIGHT, SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS WHAT I WOULD. IF IT'S MY DECISION ALONE, THIS IS WHAT I WOULD ALLOCATE AND HOW I WOULD ALLOCATE IT. SO THEN WHEN WE COME BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT BLACKBURN. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO KNOW THE OUTCOME OF WYLIE'S ELECTION TO SEE, IS SACHSE ROAD EVEN SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO? AND THEN EACH PERSON COME BACK WITH AN IDEA THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WOULD DO $10 MILLION OF THIS, $20 MILLION OF THAT, $5 MILLION TO THIS. SO YOU'VE GOT AN IDEA AS TO WHERE YOU ARE AND SEE HOW CLOSE WE ARE, JUST INDEPENDENT THINKING ON OUR OWN AND THEN BE ABLE TO MOLD THAT INTO, HERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL. THE LAST MEETING MAYBE IT'LL BE A SHORTER MEETING, BUT IT'S US DECIDING, OKAY, WHAT WOULD THE PROPOSITIONS BE THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL? KNOWING THAT IF WE DO THAT, IT MEANS WE'LL HAVE A MEETING THE FIRST WEEK OR 2ND JANUARY BASED UPON EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULE HERE. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE IT WOULD WORK OKAY, JUST FOR TRAVEL SCHEDULES AND SO FORTH? COULD WE SQUEEZE A MEETING IN HERE? OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE. OKAY. AND I'LL GET WORKING ON SCHEDULING AND COORDINATING WITH EACH OF YOU. BUT AND AS OF MADE A LOT OF NOTES HERE TONIGHT, I WILL GET YOU GUYS THAT INFORMATION ON THE PACER RATINGS AS WELL AS THE ANSWERS ON PLEASANT VALLEY ON THE ESCROWING. JUST SO YOU. AND I'LL SEND IT OUT TO THE WHOLE COMMITTEE. BUT YEAH, I THINK I HAVE WHAT I NEED. OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING WE'RE MISSING? ANYTHING WE HAVEN'T? I THINK WE'RE BEING VERY THOUGHTFUL AND THOROUGH WITH IT. I THINK WE'RE GETTING. WE GOT A DIRECTION NOW. IF WE CAN DO THAT, THEN WE'LL PLAN ON THAT DECEMBER 8TH MEETING HAVING MORE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D BE AT A POINT FOR MOTIONS AND VOTING AT THAT POINT YET, PROBABLY JANUARY. I'LL BE WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE HE'S GOT TO FIGURE OUT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT BEING THE CASE, WE'LL ADJOURN. AND IT IS 7:18. WHERE'S THE GAVEL? HERE. BECAUSE YOU GUYS ALWAYS WANT ME TO USE THE GAVEL. THERE YOU GO. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.